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French Intelligence Officer Defects to Al Qaida
By daoming 2014-10-06 16:49:50
France held Vietnam for 100 years, and America lost it in 11.
ouch.
Militarily speaking, Historically America isn't even in the same league as France.
US would need another 1,000 years as a relevant power to even be mentioned as more than a footnote.
America lost Vietnam? We never owned the damn place to begin with, France asked the US for assistance and with the whole communism scare, the US intervened with South Vietnamese who didn't want to be communist.
Yet in the end, despite one country asking the US for help, the rest of the world paints the US as a war monger.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 16:51:21
Yet in the end, despite one country asking the US for help, the rest of the world paints the US as a war monger. And France get's a free pass too.
But it's perfectly ok to bash on America. A lot of our foreign posters do so on a daily basis.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 16:55:28
I bet they all had to use the same character, and it wasn't Lu Bu. Contest invalid. Lu Bu is for pussies, real men play Zhou Tai.
RIP double Musou in one, full invincibility all day every day.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 16:58:11
France held Vietnam for 100 years, and America lost it in 11.
ouch.
Militarily speaking, Historically America isn't even in the same league as France.
US would need another 1,000 years as a relevant power to even be mentioned as more than a footnote.
America lost Vietnam? We never owned the damn place to begin with, France asked the US for assistance and with the whole communism scare, the US intervened with South Vietnamese who didn't want to be communist.
Yet in the end, despite one country asking the US for help, the rest of the world paints the US as a war monger. US went there to try military weapons while France legit lost, forgot why exactly but it's known as a defeat for us.
See Indochine war.
Yet in the end, despite one country asking the US for help, the rest of the world paints the US as a war monger. And France get's a free pass too.
But it's perfectly ok to bash on America. A lot of our foreign posters do so on a daily basis. USA took over where old nations understood that it wasn't the way to go anymore.
If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:01:54
Right, USA are primitives to a Frenchman because we took care of their (the French's) problems for them.
Got it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:04:21
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-06 17:06:18
France won WWII? You signed the surrender to Germany. Thats not a win.
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By volkom 2014-10-06 17:06:19
don't forget the french fought the US in WWII too~
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:07:10
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. Lets see here.
France has been a world power for thousands of years, world moves in a slow pace in technological, societal, and global standpoints.
USA has been a world power for less than 300 years, world moves in a quick pace in technological, societal, and global standpoints.
Frenchy thinks that USA is primitive compared to France....hmmm....
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:07:29
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. This is what Americans truly believe.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:08:14
France won WWII? You signed the surrender to Germany. Thats not a win. There was token resistance. They didn't surrender immediately, they at least waited a couple of days.
That's enough of a win for them!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:08:44
Welp, we just confirmed that Senkyuutai is delusional.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:10:33
Welp, we just confirmed that Senkyuutai is delusional. I don't remember mentioning WWII there.
Once again proving us that you guys have the reading ability of a 2 years old.
By volkom 2014-10-06 17:11:32
***~ I wish i had this reading capability at 2 years old
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:11:44
Welp, we just confirmed that Senkyuutai is delusional.
Yeah, and I'm still waiting for a proper rebuttal beyond what was essentially a "Nuh uh."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:11:49
Just wow.
Should I explain it to Senkyuutai what his mistake is?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:12:07
***~ I wish i had this reading capability at 2 years old I know, right?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-10-06 17:12:10
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »This is what Americans truly believe.
O c'mon, aren't 90% of frenchmen stupid as well?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 17:12:54
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed.
Or...You know, the US falls back on German ingenuity? I mean, if we're talking about WWII and those that sought asylum in the UK and US...
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:13:05
***~ I wish i had this reading capability at 2 years old I'm not used to Americans having low standards.
By volkom 2014-10-06 17:13:10
France won WWII? You signed the surrender to Germany. Thats not a win. There was token resistance. They didn't surrender immediately, they at least waited a couple of days.
That's enough of a win for them!
Still peeved that the french sided with the germans in WWII too yet they get a +1 assist on the win
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-06 17:14:47
Unable to confirm them all but
Quote: List of major wars France have won
Wars of Charlemagne (768-814)
Norman Conquest of England (1066)
First Crusade (1096-99)
Hundred Years' War (1337-1453)
War of the Holy League (1508-16)
Franco-Spanish War (1635)
Franco-Dutch War (1678)
War of the Reunions (1683-84)
War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718-20)
War of the Austrian Succession (1740-48)
American Revolutionary War (1775-1783)
French Revolutionary Wars (1792-1802) (this is not the French Revolution)
War of the First Coalition (1793-97)
War of the Second Coalition (1799-1802)
War of the Oranges (1801)
War of the Third Coalition (1803-06)
War of the Fourth Coalition (1806-07)
War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)
Greek War of Independence (1821-30)
French Conquest of Algeria (1830-47)
Crimean War (1853-56)
Second Opium War (1856-60)
Second Italian War of Independence (1859)
Mandingo Wars (1883-98)
Sino-French War (1884-85)
First Franco-Dahomean War (1890)
Second Franco-Dahomean War (1892-94)
Franco-Siamese War (1893)
Boxer Rebellion (1899-1901)
Wadai War (1909-11)
World War I (1914-18)
Rif War (1920)
World War II (1939-45)
Gulf War (1990-91)
List of major wars the US have won
American Revolutionary War (1775-1783)
Northwest Indian War (1785-1795)
Mexican-American War (1846-48)
Spanish-American War (1898)
Boxer Rebellion (1899-1901)
Philippine-American War (1899-1902)
World War I (1914-18)
World War II (1939-45)
Gulf War (1990-91)
Lot of that list is wrong.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:15:00
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed.
Or...You know, the US falls back on German ingenuity? I mean, if we're talking about WWII, and those that sought asylum in the UK and US... Two things:
1) there are a lot of things that were created by people who aren't anywhere close to the US (Asia, EU, especially Germany in WWII indeed).
2) people went to the US seeking help, take them as American inventions if you want, but that's just seeking the easy way rather than explaining something rationally.
Doubt they'd admit either. What are autobans.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:16:13
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »This is what Americans truly believe.
O c'mon, aren't 90% of frenchmen stupid as well? I think Senkyuutai is the average Twitter user.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 17:17:07
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed.
Or...You know, the US falls back on German ingenuity? I mean, if we're talking about WWII, and those that sought asylum in the UK and US... Two things:
1) there are a lot of things that were created by people who aren't anywhere close to the US (Asia, EU, especially Germany in WWII indeed).
2) people went to the US seeking help, take them as American inventions if you want, but that's just seeking the easy way rather than explaining something rationally.
Doubt they'd admit either. What are autobans.
Don't worry. They're exaggerating Vichy France. Vichy France does not account for all of France. Most of us know that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:17:31
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed.
Or...You know, the US falls back on German ingenuity? I mean, if we're talking about WWII and those that sought asylum in the UK and US... Why do you think they left in the first place?
They saw the ***hitting the fan and ran for the hills faster than anyone. That's intelligence in my book!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:17:45
Or...You know, the US falls back on German ingenuity? I mean, if we're talking about WWII and those that sought asylum in the UK and US...
Erm, I'm thinking way beyond WWII. Also, German immigrants can't take credit for all of our advancements in WWII anyway, though you gotta give props to Mr. Einstein.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-10-06 17:19:31
Why do you think they left in the first place?
They saw the ***hitting the fan and ran for the hills faster than anyone. That's intelligence in my book!
Ummm...You don't have to tell me or Senk.
You goobers have a habit of chalking everything to an "all or nothing" mentality.
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2014-10-06 17:20:53
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. Quote: prim·i·tive
ˈprimədiv/
adjective
1.
relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something. Compared to other nations, we are primitive. We've been around for only a short period of time, and while we may develop technology it doesn't change the fact that as a country we're in the early stages of our development by comparison to other nations. I mean, with no intent to derail, we have issues with bribery, healthcare, violence, education, drugs, and more, all of which have in some form been solved by other nations already. We simply shrug it off and think ourselves better off as we are, but to me, that seems to show a lack of progress on our part. It's proof we're still developing, especially when it comes to the idea that we may not be the most amazing country of all time, something we say constantly.
Long story short, the US is primitive because it still has yet to evolve to the same level as other nations. We've been around only a few hundred years, we can't expect to be as evolved as a country which has been around for more than a millenium.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:22:35
Why do you think they left in the first place?
They saw the ***hitting the fan and ran for the hills faster than anyone. That's intelligence in my book!
Ummm...You don't have to tell me or Senk.
You goobers have a habit of chalking everything to an "all or nothing" mentality. Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
Quote: IRBIL, Iraq — A former French intelligence officer who defected to al Qaida was among the targets of the first wave of U.S. air strikes in Syria last month, according to people familiar with the defector’s movements and identity.
Two European intelligence officials described the former French officer as the highest ranking defector ever to go over to the terrorist group and called his defection one of the most dangerous developments in the West’s long confrontation with al Qaida.
The identity of the officer is a closely guarded secret. Two people, independently of one another, provided the same name, which McClatchy is withholding pending further confirmation. All of the sources agreed that a former French officer was one of the people targeted when the United States struck eight locations occupied by the Nusra Front, al Qaida’s Syrian affiliate. The former officer apparently survived the assault, which included strikes by 47 cruise missiles.
U.S. officials have acknowledged that the assault on the Nusra Front locations, which came as the Americans and coalition partners also struck Islamic State positions elsewhere, was aimed at members of what the Obama administration has dubbed the Khorasan group, a unit of top-level terror operatives who had been dispatched to Syria to plot attacks on the West.
The only member of that unit U.S. officials have identified is Muhsin al Fahdli, a 33-year-old one-time confidant of al Qaida founder Osama bin Laden. The United States offered a $7 million reward in October 2012 for information leading to Fahdli’s death or capture. Twitter accounts associated with jihadi sympathizers have said Fahdli was killed, but U.S. officials have said that information remains unconfirmed.
The former French officer may have been a more important target. Syrian rebels battling to topple President Bashar Assad said that U.S. officials had told them before the strikes that they were closely monitoring the defector’s movements.
European intelligence officials said the former officer had defected from either French military intelligence or from France’s foreign intelligence agency, the General Directorate for External Security, known by its French-language acronym as the DGSE.
The former officer, according to one rebel source, is an explosives expert who fought in Afghanistan and in Syria with al Qaida and had assembled a group of about five men that was operating out of a mosque in Idlib.
The French operative is “still alive and kicking” after the airstrikes, said one European intelligence official, who described the man as “highly trained in Western intelligence trade-craft and explosives.” The combination of Western-style intelligence training and devout jihadist beliefs made him among the most dangerous of al Qaida operatives, the intelligence official said.
It was unknown whether the former officer’s al Qaida sympathies were missed during the French vetting process or manifested themselves later.
Four European intelligence agents from a variety of countries with a range of knowledge of the situation were able to confirm or partially confirm the French agent’s existence. All declined to speak for attribution because of the sensitive nature of the information and because they feared being charged criminally in their home countries for revealing classified information. One called the existence of the French officer “absolutely top secret.”
“I’m rather appalled I’m even having this conversation,” he said.
“We don’t know if he was sleeper [agent] or radicalized after he joined the service,” said another European intelligence official familiar with the man’s background. “I assume my French colleagues are working hard to determine that and if they have figured it out, they certainly aren’t sharing how they ended up in this mess, which as you could expect they find rather embarrassing.”
Two European intelligence sources provided the man’s name but asked that it not be published – one cited possible violence in France against the man’s family. Both independently provided the same name.
When reached for comment on the situation, a U.S. intelligence official refused to provide any information.
Three attempts to discuss the matter with French intelligence services were rebuffed. “There is no way I am going to discuss this matter” was one response.
An intelligence official from a third country, who said that his familiarity with the situation stemmed only from casual conversation and not from an official briefing, said the situation represents an “epic nightmare that we have so far been spared.”
“We’ve seen Arab partners lose well trained people to these groups, and in a handful of cases those defectors have benefited from our training through partnership programs,” he said. “It’s the cost of doing business when you aid some of our regional allies.”
But the French officer’s defection, he said, is the first he’d heard of by “someone with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training.”
“As embarrassed as the French must be right now, it should be pointed out that the French services are highly regarded within the intelligence community as consummate and loyal professionals,” he said. “This failure, and I do believe this happened, must be seen in the context as an outlier and not anything systematic about the French services.”
One European official directly familiar with the case said the partial confusion over the man’s resume – which has been alternately described as French Special Forces, military intelligence or DGSE – probably stems from the overlapping “seconding” process where specialists move between branches of the government on a fairly regular basis.
“It sounds likely he started as French military and maybe because of an Arabic family background and appearance, language skills and a high degree of competency, he would then be loaned out to different aspects of the French services,” the European official said. “Everyone does that all the time,” he said, citing as an example a member of the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command being assigned to the CIA.
For their part, Syrian rebels, who are already furious at the United States for not notifying them in advance about the strikes and for not including Assad government facilities among the targets, expressed puzzlement at why the U.S. government hadn’t approached them about trying to seize the man.
But a European intelligence official said the decision to try to strike the defector with a missile rather than capture him was in part to keep the French agent’s existence a secret. “Perhaps some problems are best buried forever under a pile of rubble,” he said.
Quote: Agent is said to be highest ranking official to have joined organization
Quote: He is the first known person “with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training”
Quote: he is a former explosives expert with an Arab family and his movements are being closely watched by Western authorities.
Full story
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/05/242218_sources-us-air-strikes-in-syria.html?sp=/99/117/&rh=1#storylink=cpy
A high ranking intelligence agent defecting to a rogue paramilitary group? Maybe he's a triple agent?

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