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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:29:05
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »atheistic evangelism
Can you please:
A) Define that.
B) Elaborate in how you come to the conclusion that your definition fits Ramyrez's posts.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-07 15:34:01
And by hate you mean criticism.
When you hear death to Muslims or Christians then you can page me.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 15:35:33
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »atheistic evangelism
Can you please:
A) Define that.
B) Elaborate in how you come to the conclusion that your definition fits Ramyrez's posts. Usually manifests itself as childish mockery of larger philosophical ideas that far wiser and smarter men have debated for millenia in an effort to belittle others for the purpose of feeling better abut oneself. Mockery of religion is often a product of anti-paternalism and/or other forms of a sense of self-adequacy. Both of those are classic manifestations of daddy issues.
More specifically the "evangelistic" part refers to the lack of contentment with just having a belief, or being a simple "non-participant" or having a "null value" set of religious values as many atheists in America claim.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-07 15:38:21
I guess we can add psychoanalyst to the list of Tenshibaby's professions.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:40:39
Aww, this thread was demained...
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »atheistic evangelism
Can you please:
A) Define that.
B) Elaborate in how you come to the conclusion that your definition fits Ramyrez's posts. Usually manifests itself as childish mockery of larger philosophical ideas that far wiser and smarter men have debated for millenia in an effort to belittle others for the purpose of feeling better abut oneself. Mockery of religion is often a product of anti-paternalism and/or other forms of a sense of self-adequacy. Both of those are classic manifestations of daddy issues.
More specifically the "evangelistic" part refers to the lack of contentment with just having a belief, or being a simple "non-participant" or having a "null value" set of religious values as many atheists in America claim. That still doesn't make sense.
Atheism states lack of belief period. You don't have to include "evangelistic" to that definition.
I think you got the wrong idea about this. Ramyrez is posting in humor/satire, not exactly attacking anyone on their beliefs. Actually, outside of Jet (who pretty much attack anyone/everyone anyway), there's not really any attacks on anyone else's beliefs, just attacks on interpretations of religious texts.
tl;dr version: You are putting way too much effort in this.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-07 15:43:18
Am I atheist cause I have daddy issues, or do I have daddy issues because I'm atheist?
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 15:43:48
Actually atheism is an affirmative belief that there is no god. An absence of any belief would be agnosticism.
Maybe you're right about Ramyrez, if I jumped the gun, but I am tired of the same anti-religious rhetoric, and when his first post of the day was to use a childish attack, it seemed that there was no other purpose other than to belittle.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:44:18
I guess we can add psychoanalyst to the list of Tenshibaby's professions. Last I checked, you don't have to be a psychoanalyst to understand philosophical and theological ideas.
Well, maybe for you. But some people can understand it well enough to talk about it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-07 15:45:08
Man, you sure hate Pleebo. No joke will pass untouched!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:45:42
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Actually atheism is an affirmative belief that there is no god. I don't agree with you, as your definition requires effort to belief in a lack of god, which is not an effort at all.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-07 15:46:04
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Actually atheism is an affirmative belief that there is no god. An absence of any belief would be agnosticism.
Maybe you're right about Ramyrez, if I jumped the gun, but I am tired of the same anti-religious rhetoric, and when his first post of the day was to use a childish attack, it seemed that there was no other purpose other than to belittle.
Which is why nearly every atheist is technically an Agnostic Atheist as a opposed to a Gnostic atheist.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:46:18
Man, you sure hate Pleebo. No joke will pass untouched! Wait, that's a joke?
I thought that was another snarky remark from our good "climate scientist" on this website.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-07 15:49:04
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-07 15:49:28
Aww, tired of the anti-religious rhetoric? Well I'm tired of idiots killing eachother all over the world over some stupid sectarian religious *** and the apocalyptic idiots that would plunge the world into doom to fulfill some prophecy.
The last thing I need my world to do is have a perpetually red sky, gamebreaking elements and people cleaving animals for merits.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2014-10-07 15:52:05
Tired of the same threads over and over...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-07 15:53:05
This is supposed to be the general isis thread so that Godofgods doesn't open 30 more every day.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-07 15:53:26
Tired of the same threads over and over...
My name is Sisyphus and I have a problem.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-07 15:53:46
Man, you sure hate Pleebo. No joke will pass untouched! Wait, that's a joke?
I thought that was another snarky remark from our good "climate scientist" on this website. It was both!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 15:57:27
Man, you sure hate Pleebo. No joke will pass untouched! Wait, that's a joke?
I thought that was another snarky remark from our good "climate scientist" on this website. It was both! Well, as long as we know.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2014-10-07 16:01:27
Even if you both knew, there would still be an argument on who knew what first and why liberals suck.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 16:04:08
Even if you both knew, there would still be an argument on who knew what first and why liberals suck. Obviously because of Bush.
And Benghazi.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 16:15:06
There's not enough memory created in the entirety of the universe to list all the reasons.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Actually atheism is an affirmative belief that there is no god. I don't agree with you, as your definition requires effort to belief in a lack of god, which is not an effort at all. We will just have to agree to disagree. I see plenty of effort on behalf of atheists, and if you don't accept that, I can just as easily say that it takes no effort for me to believe in God.
We aren't going to solve the question of "Does God exist?" here, so I'd rather just beat up on liberals with you than argue endless points lol...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 16:19:33
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »We will just have to agree to disagree. I see plenty of effort on behalf of atheists, and if you don't accept that, I can just as easily say that it takes no effort for me to believe in God. I'm going to counter that with another effort argument.
One cannot say that they are religious without showing effort in belief. One can say that they are not religious by not showing effort.
I choose to do chores on Sunday. That's not showing any effort in lack of belief (mainly because Sundays are usually my only day off).
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By Bismarck.Leneth 2014-10-07 16:23:55
Kurds using suicide bombing tactics /shocked!!!
That means the situation is really really bad... the kurds aren't the kind of people that believe in all that garbage.. I'm really shocked. The situation: IS entered the city from 3 sides.
There are 2 major effects due to that:
-The gap in fighting ability is more evened now for the Kurdish fighters (big plus on short term)
-IS will be hard to drive out of the city if a ounteroffensive is possible (medium minus on mid term)
IS outnumbers the Kurdish people by around 3:1
Kurdish officers estimate only a few more days of resistance (on normal course this will be longer, but depends on if IS finds the tunnels)
They do know though that IS soldiers believe getting killed by a woman denies the entry to their paradise and the Kurdish fighters make use of it.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 16:24:45
Well does it take an effort to favor a kind of soup vs. not favor any soup, especially when the exposure to the soups is more or less equal in a given culture?
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-10-07 16:58:43
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It doesn't matter if it's a way of life or not, really, that's missing the point.
The point is: it literally doesn't matter.
Being angry about such trivial and superfluous thing as a random person who usually has no idea insulting your way of life is a lack of wisdom, understanding, open mindedness and patience.
No matter how you put it, as soon as you react in a violent way, you are basically, if I understand it correctly, failing to live the way you have choosen by living as a muslim.
Now, there are situation that we will "forgive", I've already mentioned it, regarding your family and what not. But still, in the end, your reaction is wrong toward your own lifestyle and faith.
There is a point in life where you grow up and start to think about everything that happens to you and start to give it various degree of importance. Is it important to threaten to kill, kill or even harm someone who insulted your lifestyle? Is it a good idea? Is it going to solve your feeling of being hurt?
It's as simple as that. There is always a way to answer people, and walking away and ignoring them is one of them. Why would you answer idiocy in real life is beyond me. Time is way too important to waste it over such small things. Sure for you it's not small, and that is precisely the issue.
Just because you love something to death doesn't mean you have to make bad choices to "defend" it.
Do you think it looks better to threaten, kill or harm someone who insulted your religion or to simply laugh it off and ignore that person? There is one side that will make you look like butthurt, dangerous people and an amalgam will be born, and there is one that will make people think "oh ***, that's some patience right here, respect".
Why do you think people make an amalgam about muslims? As much as being ignorant is a good reason as to why, it's not only that, it's also because some people that are muslim didn't learn to not care about what is insignificant.
I'm not religious myself, but I still follow a specific lifestyle. If someone was to insult it, I wouldn't give a ***. At most I'd make a verbal jab back, that's it.
The bottom line is, do not complain that people make amalgams if you give them the opportunity to. Unless Islam specifically says to not rise above idiocy and to dive into it, there is absolutely no reason to be butthurt over a drawing or words.
A drawing in itself is a joke, it's not an insult. Just because you feel offended or see it as an insult doesn't make it one. Patience and learning what is important is key to react to things in life.
My country is made fun of daily on these forums. Would I get violent over it? Would I threaten someone? No, I wouldn't. All I do is make fun of the ignorants that are usually responsible for the attacks. It's harmless, and I do it specifically because I have time to spare.
If I didn't have time to spare, I'd do what I'm supposed to to and ignore them completely.
In my eyes, people who get buttflustered over religious attacks are childish. I've met enough muslims who are patient as *** to at least say that not all muslims are like that. I agree with you for the most part. I already covered violence & death threats. And I'm certainly not suggesting taking an action against every little insult or jab at your faith (this forum is full of it /shrug). Whether you reply/answer to those insults or not really depends on the situation.
Just a clarification (because a friend of mine thought the same), Muslims didn't get upset because of drawings per se, it was because of the nature of the drawings. Turban with a bomb in it etc.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-07 19:36:59
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It doesn't matter if it's a way of life or not, really, that's missing the point.
The point is: it literally doesn't matter.
Being angry about such trivial and superfluous thing as a random person who usually has no idea insulting your way of life is a lack of wisdom, understanding, open mindedness and patience.
No matter how you put it, as soon as you react in a violent way, you are basically, if I understand it correctly, failing to live the way you have choosen by living as a muslim.
Now, there are situation that we will "forgive", I've already mentioned it, regarding your family and what not. But still, in the end, your reaction is wrong toward your own lifestyle and faith.
There is a point in life where you grow up and start to think about everything that happens to you and start to give it various degree of importance. Is it important to threaten to kill, kill or even harm someone who insulted your lifestyle? Is it a good idea? Is it going to solve your feeling of being hurt?
It's as simple as that. There is always a way to answer people, and walking away and ignoring them is one of them. Why would you answer idiocy in real life is beyond me. Time is way too important to waste it over such small things. Sure for you it's not small, and that is precisely the issue.
Just because you love something to death doesn't mean you have to make bad choices to "defend" it.
Do you think it looks better to threaten, kill or harm someone who insulted your religion or to simply laugh it off and ignore that person? There is one side that will make you look like butthurt, dangerous people and an amalgam will be born, and there is one that will make people think "oh ***, that's some patience right here, respect".
Why do you think people make an amalgam about muslims? As much as being ignorant is a good reason as to why, it's not only that, it's also because some people that are muslim didn't learn to not care about what is insignificant.
I'm not religious myself, but I still follow a specific lifestyle. If someone was to insult it, I wouldn't give a ***. At most I'd make a verbal jab back, that's it.
The bottom line is, do not complain that people make amalgams if you give them the opportunity to. Unless Islam specifically says to not rise above idiocy and to dive into it, there is absolutely no reason to be butthurt over a drawing or words.
A drawing in itself is a joke, it's not an insult. Just because you feel offended or see it as an insult doesn't make it one. Patience and learning what is important is key to react to things in life.
My country is made fun of daily on these forums. Would I get violent over it? Would I threaten someone? No, I wouldn't. All I do is make fun of the ignorants that are usually responsible for the attacks. It's harmless, and I do it specifically because I have time to spare.
If I didn't have time to spare, I'd do what I'm supposed to to and ignore them completely.
In my eyes, people who get buttflustered over religious attacks are childish. I've met enough muslims who are patient as *** to at least say that not all muslims are like that. I agree with you for the most part. I already covered violence & death threats. And I'm certainly not suggesting taking an action against every little insult or jab at your faith (this forum is full of it /shrug). Whether you reply/answer to those insults or not really depends on the situation.
Just a clarification (because a friend of mine thought the same), Muslims didn't get upset because of drawings per se, it was because of the nature of the drawings. Turban with a bomb in it etc. The original French one? I don't remember the exact drawing, if there was a bomb then there is a reason to be upset as it's an amalgam.
After checking, one said something offensive and the other was offensive but in a vague way, so dismissable.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/201312111048252465.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo
I can understand why a Muslim would be outraged by the whip drawing, I can understand the law suit and the overall drama, but I can't understand the attacks. And I can't understand being angry over the second drawing as it basically calls extremists jerks, not Muslims in general.
Being outraged and using law to punish them is normal, harming them or their belongings isn't. That's the nuance I want to point out.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 19:42:51
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Actually atheism is an affirmative belief that there is no god. An absence of any belief would be agnosticism.
No, it isn't.
Agnosticism/gnosticism has nothing to do with belief but with knowledge.
But I never expect a religious person to admit to this as then they realize that they have no defense.
By maldini 2014-10-08 01:56:34
Kurds using suicide bombing tactics /shocked!!!
That means the situation is really really bad... the kurds aren't the kind of people that believe in all that garbage.. I'm really shocked. The situation: IS entered the city from 3 sides.
There are 2 major effects due to that:
-The gap in fighting ability is more evened now for the Kurdish fighters (big plus on short term)
-IS will be hard to drive out of the city if a ounteroffensive is possible (medium minus on mid term)
IS outnumbers the Kurdish people by around 3:1
Kurdish officers estimate only a few more days of resistance (on normal course this will be longer, but depends on if IS finds the tunnels)
They do know though that IS soldiers believe getting killed by a woman denies the entry to their paradise and the Kurdish fighters make use of it. I was reading your post seriously until that underlined part. There's no such belief.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-10-08 03:22:58
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »The original French one? I don't remember the exact drawing, if there was a bomb then there is a reason to be upset as it's an amalgam.
After checking, one said something offensive and the other was offensive but in a vague way, so dismissable.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/201312111048252465.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo
I can understand why a Muslim would be outraged by the whip drawing, I can understand the law suit and the overall drama, but I can't understand the attacks. And I can't understand being angry over the second drawing as it basically calls extremists jerks, not Muslims in general.
Being outraged and using law to punish them is normal, harming them or their belongings isn't. That's the nuance I want to point out. Then we totally agree.
I was referring to Jyllands-Posten cartoons earlier. How the west dealt with it only served to pour oil on the fire (he was given several awards for supporting "freedom of speech", including one by Merkell), and made any future portrayal of the prophet (especially caricatures) by the west to be met with strong suspicion of the intent behind it.
Quote: Islamic State urges attacks on U.S., French citizens, taunts Obama
Residents of Tabqa city and Islamic State militants tour the streets in celebration after Islamic State militants took over Tabqa air base in northeast Syria, August 24, 2014.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Islamic State urged its followers on Monday to attack citizens of the United States, France and other countries which have joined a coalition to destroy the ultra-radical group.
Islamic State spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani also taunted U.S. President Barack Obama and other Western "crusaders" in a statement carried by the SITE monitoring website, saying their forces faced inevitable defeat at the insurgents' hands.
The United States is building an international coalition to combat the extremist Sunni Muslim force, which has seized large expanses of territory in Iraq and Syria and proclaimed a caliphate erasing borders in the heart of the Middle East.
Adnani said the intervention by the U.S.-led coalition would be the "final campaign of the crusaders", according to SITE's English-language transcript of an audio recording in Arabic.
"It will be broken and defeated, just as all your previous campaigns were broken and defeated," Adnani said, according to the recording, which urged followers to attack U.S., French, Canadian, Australian and other nationals.
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said the group's call showed once again, "if it needed to be shown, the barbarity of these terrorists, and shows why we must fight them relentlessly..." In a statement, he added, using an Arabic acronym for the militants: "We must also eliminate the risk that Daesh represents to our security."
U.S. and French warplanes have struck Islamic State targets in Iraq, and on Sunday the United States said other countries had indicated a willingness to join it if it goes ahead with air strikes against the group in Syria too.
Washington has also committed $500 million to arm and train Syrian rebels and to send 1,600 U.S. military advisers to Iraq to help fight Islamic State, while stressing the U.S. personnel would not engage in combat.
Adnani mocked Western leaders over their deepening military engagement in the region and said Obama was repeating the mistakes of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
"If you fight it (Islamic State), it becomes stronger and tougher. If you leave it alone, it grows and expands. If Obama has promised you with defeating the Islamic State, then Bush has also lied before him," Adnani said, according to the transcript.
"DRAGGED TO DESTRUCTION"
Addressing Obama directly, Adnani added: "O mule of the Jews, you claimed today that America would not be drawn into a war on the ground. No, it will be drawn and dragged ... to its death, grave and destruction."
Obama, who has spent much of his tenure since 2009 extracting the United States from Iraq after its costly 2003 invasion and occupation, is sensitive to charges that he is being drawn into another long campaign that risks the lives of U.S. soldiers.
While Obama has ruled out a combat mission, military officials say the reality of a protracted campaign in Iraq and possibly Syria may ultimately require greater use of U.S. troops, including tactical air strike spotters or front-line advisers embedded with Iraqi forces.
In his statement, Adnani criticised Kurdish fighters who are battling the Islamic State militants in both Syria and Iraq.
"We do not fight Kurds because they are Kurds. Rather we fight the disbelievers amongst them, the allies of the crusaders and Jews in their war against the Muslims," Adnani said.
He added that there were many Muslim Kurds within the ranks of the Islamic State army.
On Monday, Syrian Kurdish fighters halted an advance by Islamic State to the east of a predominantly Kurdish town near the border with Turkey, a spokesman for the main Kurdish group said.
Adnani also condemned Saudi Arabia, whose senior Muslim clergy have denounced Islamic State and whose ruling royal family has joined other Arab states in a pledge to tackle militant ideology as part of a strategy to counter the group.
Adnani condemned Western inaction over Syria's conflict, in which President Bashar al-Assad's forces have been embroiled in civil war with mainly Sunni Muslim fighters since 2011. He said the West had "looked the other way" when barrel bombs were dropped and chemical weapons were used against Muslim civilians.
"So know that – by Allah – we fear not the swarms of planes, nor ballistic missiles, nor drones, nor satellites, nor battleships, nor weapons of mass destruction."
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