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Thwarted Terror Attack in Australia
By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:20:49
You had me figured as a Kirk, didn't you?
How does one not like cats?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-20 16:24:13
Only the highly illogical don't like cats.
Even people with cat allergies like them.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:26:14
You had me figured as a Kirk, didn't you?
How does one not like cats?
Allergic as hell, dogs too. While at times I find their behavior interesting, I prefer interactions with people. Even if we don't always get along, I usually won't have a person chew through my ps2 controller cable, or piss/***/puke on my floor. I'm sure one day I'll have to have one of those pets, but the *** is staying outside, but in this climate I'd have to build a dog house or something that has a door/heat, or the winters would be too harsh.
Automate that ***though.
My one friend says cat tastes decent though, I prefer cow myself.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:26:35
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Only the highly illogical don't like cats.
Even people with cat allergies like them. Obviously not, see above.
Plus: where's Magnus.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-20 16:29:49
A dog is not a cat, not even close.
Puking/shitting/chewing through things.. these are characteristics of dogs.
You can take meds for allergies. Get a cat.
Cats can make the worst days a lot better. They're deep creatures.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 16:35:14
I don't take medication except for the occasional headache, no thanks.
Cats are generally disgusting anyway, and have seen several do all except the chewing bit. Not to mention their food/***smells horrible.
I don't require either.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-20 16:47:56
ITT cat don't ***/puke!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-20 16:49:45
So no, you didn't read the list.
If you did, you would have seen that it varied from hitting known targets, to hitting suspected targets (and we won't even go into what the requirements are to be suspected, which is a completely different matter), to hitting neither known nor suspected targets (or plainly, pure civilian), with varying levels of collateral damage. I did read the list, and they were still aiming at targets, misses happen), as for the only "pure civilian" on that list, is hearsay by the owner of the house, not very credible.) Then here you go: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-24618701
Rendering Gaza to ash wouldn't be genocide, and no I wouldn't be happy with that outcome, but Israel would be justified in doing so, after the relentless attacks, and unending *** from Gaza. It's no different than counterattacking in full force any other area that decides to wage war on you. Unless you were planning on evacuating the almost two million people there before rendering it to ash, yes, it would be genocide. And no, Israel would not be justified in doing so, even after all that has occurred. And yes, it is extremely different than counterattacking in full force any other area that decides to wage war on you.
We're just going to have to disagree with the responsibility bit, as we obviously won't see eye to eye on it, as well as the logic bit, as we're not going to agree.
I haven't refuted logic at all, just because you don't comprehend it, doesn't mean it's illogical, I don't mean personal logic either. Yep; I'm just not going to touch that.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-20 16:53:31
Yep; I'm just not going to touch that. And that's what she said.
/thread.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-20 16:55:18
Yep; I'm just not going to touch that. And that's what she said.
/thread. Can't end thread, it's not page 9.
Also, it *is* what she said! Seha said it!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-20 16:58:17
Yep; I'm just not going to touch that. And that's what she said.
/thread.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 17:04:26
So no, you didn't read the list.
If you did, you would have seen that it varied from hitting known targets, to hitting suspected targets (and we won't even go into what the requirements are to be suspected, which is a completely different matter), to hitting neither known nor suspected targets (or plainly, pure civilian), with varying levels of collateral damage. I did read the list, and they were still aiming at targets, misses happen), as for the only "pure civilian" on that list, is hearsay by the owner of the house, not very credible.) Then here you go: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-24618701
Rendering Gaza to ash wouldn't be genocide, and no I wouldn't be happy with that outcome, but Israel would be justified in doing so, after the relentless attacks, and unending *** from Gaza. It's no different than counterattacking in full force any other area that decides to wage war on you. Unless you were planning on evacuating the almost two million people there before rendering it to ash, yes, it would be genocide. And no, Israel would not be justified in doing so, even after all that has occurred. And yes, it is extremely different than counterattacking in full force any other area that decides to wage war on you.
We're just going to have to disagree with the responsibility bit, as we obviously won't see eye to eye on it, as well as the logic bit, as we're not going to agree.
I haven't refuted logic at all, just because you don't comprehend it, doesn't mean it's illogical, I don't mean personal logic either. Yep; I'm just not going to touch that. I don't really give a *** what AI says.
No, it still wouldn't be genocide, but your definition of that word apparently is different from mine. Even so Israel would still be justified in doing so, and no it is not different at all as that is exactly what it is.
Yep; I'm just not going to touch that. And that's what she said.
/thread.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-20 17:26:37
You don't appear to give a *** about anything if the word terrorist is in it. Then all bets are off and it doesn't matter if the whole world burns.
Oxford said: genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group
1.8ish million most likely satisfies the size criteria.
Generally, razing an entire region and slaughtering all that reside within it is not considered acceptable practice, nor justifiable.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-20 19:09:15
Jet, the self hating neocon.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-20 20:06:51
I'm not sure why you guys take anything Jet says seriously. He is just trolling as usual. Takes time to believe he's actually being a retard on purpose. I guess we give him too much credit.
The Doesn't matter who's country was who's, but the one was a war zone and the other was not.
Ok; I'm insane. ftfy childish part made me chuckle, though. He's good at times.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 21:26:09
You don't appear to give a *** about anything if the word terrorist is in it. Then all bets are off and it doesn't matter if the whole world burns.
Oxford said: genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group
1.8ish million most likely satisfies the size criteria.
Generally, razing an entire region and slaughtering all that reside within it is not considered acceptable practice, nor justifiable. Quote: genocide
[jen-uh-sahyd]
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the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
Like I said: different definitions, and it most certainly doesn't fit.
When that region keeps attacking another relentlessly and without just cause: then yes I would consider it justifiable.
But then again I doubt we'll agree on that point either.
Jet, the self hating neocon.
Yet I'm not either of these things, but keep trolling, it's what you're best at after all.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I'm not sure why you guys take anything Jet says seriously. He is just trolling as usual. Takes time to believe he's actually being a retard on purpose. I guess we give him too much credit.
The Doesn't matter who's country was who's, but the one was a war zone and the other was not.
Ok; I'm insane. ftfy childish part made me chuckle, though. He's good at times. Yet nobody here is being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, not even you. You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-20 21:47:34
You don't appear to give a *** about anything if the word terrorist is in it. Then all bets are off and it doesn't matter if the whole world burns.
Oxford said: genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group
1.8ish million most likely satisfies the size criteria.
Generally, razing an entire region and slaughtering all that reside within it is not considered acceptable practice, nor justifiable. Quote: genocide
[jen-uh-sahyd]
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
Like I said: different definitions, and it most certainly doesn't fit.
When that region keeps attacking another relentlessly and without just cause: then yes I would consider it justifiable.
But then again I doubt we'll agree on that point either.
Jet, the self hating neocon.
Yet I'm not either of these things, but keep trolling, it's what you're best at after all.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I'm not sure why you guys take anything Jet says seriously. He is just trolling as usual. Takes time to believe he's actually being a retard on purpose. I guess we give him too much credit.
The Doesn't matter who's country was who's, but the one was a war zone and the other was not.
Ok; I'm insane. ftfy childish part made me chuckle, though. He's good at times. Yet nobody here is being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, not even you. You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. You've rejected any sort of rational, fact-based approach to the issue at hand, in favor of your so-called 'facts', which you do not or cannot provide, and your so called 'logic', which has no base starting point except "any means of killing someone suspected of terrorism is OK, regardless of whomever else it harms, or what the potential ramifications are". Either that, or you are intentionally trolling.
Either way, it is time to either stop feeding the troll, or stop feeding the extremist.
What's up with people who have Bender avatars anyway? That's the second one I've needed to block.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 21:58:47
You don't appear to give a *** about anything if the word terrorist is in it. Then all bets are off and it doesn't matter if the whole world burns.
Oxford said: genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group
1.8ish million most likely satisfies the size criteria.
Generally, razing an entire region and slaughtering all that reside within it is not considered acceptable practice, nor justifiable. Quote: genocide
[jen-uh-sahyd]
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
Like I said: different definitions, and it most certainly doesn't fit.
When that region keeps attacking another relentlessly and without just cause: then yes I would consider it justifiable.
But then again I doubt we'll agree on that point either.
Jet, the self hating neocon.
Yet I'm not either of these things, but keep trolling, it's what you're best at after all.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I'm not sure why you guys take anything Jet says seriously. He is just trolling as usual. Takes time to believe he's actually being a retard on purpose. I guess we give him too much credit.
The Doesn't matter who's country was who's, but the one was a war zone and the other was not.
Ok; I'm insane. ftfy childish part made me chuckle, though. He's good at times. Yet nobody here is being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, not even you. You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. You've rejected any sort of rational, fact-based approach to the issue at hand, in favor of your so-called 'facts', which you do not or cannot provide, and your so called 'logic', which has no base starting point except "any means of killing someone suspected of terrorism is OK, regardless of whomever else it harms, or what the potential ramifications are". Either that, or you are intentionally trolling.
Either way, it is time to either stop feeding the troll, or stop feeding the extremist.
What's up with people who have Bender avatars anyway? That's the second one I've needed to block.
When one presents itself I'll actually give it a go, but that has yet to happen. I'm neither a troll nor an extremist by any stretch of the words.
Killing known combatants in a warzone when you're at war isn't ok to you? I certainly don't have a problem with it, since you know: there's war going on.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 22:25:34
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »You don't appear to give a *** about anything if the word terrorist is in it. Then all bets are off and it doesn't matter if the whole world burns.
Oxford said: genocide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group
1.8ish million most likely satisfies the size criteria.
Generally, razing an entire region and slaughtering all that reside within it is not considered acceptable practice, nor justifiable. Quote: genocide
[jen-uh-sahyd]
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
Like I said: different definitions, and it most certainly doesn't fit.
When that region keeps attacking another relentlessly and without just cause: then yes I would consider it justifiable.
But then again I doubt we'll agree on that point either.
Jet, the self hating neocon.
Yet I'm not either of these things, but keep trolling, it's what you're best at after all.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I'm not sure why you guys take anything Jet says seriously. He is just trolling as usual. Takes time to believe he's actually being a retard on purpose. I guess we give him too much credit.
The Doesn't matter who's country was who's, but the one was a war zone and the other was not.
Ok; I'm insane. ftfy childish part made me chuckle, though. He's good at times. Yet nobody here is being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, not even you. You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. You've rejected any sort of rational, fact-based approach to the issue at hand, in favor of your so-called 'facts', which you do not or cannot provide, and your so called 'logic', which has no base starting point except "any means of killing someone suspected of terrorism is OK, regardless of whomever else it harms, or what the potential ramifications are". Either that, or you are intentionally trolling.
Either way, it is time to either stop feeding the troll, or stop feeding the extremist.
What's up with people who have Bender avatars anyway? That's the second one I've needed to block. Please, be kind to that waste of human genetic material. Even though I, myself, have stated in the past that Jet should remove himself from the gene pool, I honestly think Jet may be autistic and doesn't know any better because of it. I mean, why the hell else would the guy advocate executing accident victims in cold blood while they merely seek medical attention?
You're such a moron, you have no evidence of what they were seeking, it's pure conjecture, and it wasn't an execution, nor in cold blood.
Like do you try to be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE?
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 22:35:17
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Only a retard shoots before confirmation of a threat, Jet. Guess what that makes you, since you advocate doing so? Yes, that's right, you're a mental defective. Maybe you're like Adam Lanza. Maybe the FBI, CIA and NSA should all detain you before you commit a mass murder.
You just proved you're a moron on two accounts there.
For starters, Adam Lanza was by no means mentally defective.
Secondly: your premise is off, and the guy perceived her as a threat, what are you going to do? wait until somebody starting stabbing you before you defend yourself? You, like the other people here rely way too much on fantasy and not enough on reality, it's sad.
Also, your English needs a lot of work "you're a mental defective" really? what are you, 5?
But your willingness to unconstitutionally infringe upon individual's right to bear arms comes as no surprise as you apparently want to lock people up before they commit crimes, kudos on being a total fool.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 22:42:46
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Jet, buddy, you need to calm down. If there's someone else you'd rather trust to watch your guns, hand them all over to that person. Better yet, give'em to the cops if your local department holds regular gun buyback events. You're obviously the type who shouldn't be armed to begin with. That's why I'm worried about you, and the safety of those around you by proxy.
I couldn't be more calm, but nice try there guy.
Go give yourself lung cancer or something.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 22:57:24
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Really, Jet? What's wrong? Troll run out of fuel being reverse-trolled?
Unlike you and Chaos, I don't troll, but continue thinking that.
By Altimaomega 2014-09-20 23:28:57
Everyone on this site knows your intents and how you go about your arguments Jet. The only person who doesn't think you are trolling is you.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 23:30:36
Everyone on this site knows your intents and how you go about your arguments Jet. The only person who doesn't think you are trolling is you. Then by default I am the only one who would be right, as even your premise is wrong, not to mention your conclusion.
By Altimaomega 2014-09-20 23:33:17
Everyone on this site knows your intents and how you go about your arguments Jet. The only person who doesn't think you are trolling is you. Then by default I am the only one who would be right, as even your premise is wrong, not to mention your conclusion.
Thanks for proving my point.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-20 23:35:27
Everyone on this site knows your intents and how you go about your arguments Jet. The only person who doesn't think you are trolling is you. Then by default I am the only one who would be right, as even your premise is wrong, not to mention your conclusion.
Thanks for proving my point. and thank you for constantly proving mine.
The New Zealand Herald said: Gruesome execution plot at the heart of terror raids
A plot to behead a random member of the public in Sydney has been thwarted by the biggest anti-terror police raids Australia has seen, with one man charged over the plan to "horrify" the community.
Omarjan Azari, 22, who was remanded in custody at Central Local Court, allegedly conspired with Mohammad Baryalei, the most senior Australian member of Isis (Islamic State) to commit the terror act.
Prosecutor Michael Allnutt told the court that Azari was accused of plans designed to "shock" and "horrify" the community.
The plan involved the "random selection of persons to rather gruesomely execute", he said.
Last night a heavy police presence was expected at a snap protest in Sydney's west against the raids. The protest, promoted under a banner featuring the hardline organisation Hizb Ut-Tahrir, called on the Muslim community to "stand as one" against "government aggression" at Lakemba.
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who was briefed before raids on Wednesday night, indicated intelligence showed public beheadings were urged by leaders of Syria-based Isis.
"The exhortations, quite direct exhortations, were coming from an Australian who is apparently quite senior in [Isis] to networks of support back in Australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country," Abbott said. "This is not just suspicion, this is intent."
Azari, from Guildford in Sydney's west, will face court again on November 13. He was one of 15 people detained during the raids which included 25 search warrants on homes and vehicles.
More than 800 New South Wales and Australian Federal Police raided properties across the suburbs of Beecroft, Bella Vista, Guildford, Merrylands, Northmead, Wentworthville, Marsfield, Westmead, Castle Hill, Revesby, Bass Hill and Regents Park.
Three more raids occurred in Queensland yesterday morning.
Australian Federal Police acting commissioner Andrew Colvin said the raids in Underwood, Logan and Mount Gravatt East southeast of Brisbane were linked to raids in the area last week in which two men were arrested and charged with terrorism-related offences.
One of the Queensland suspects, Omar Succarieh, was seeking bail.
The Sydney plot has raised comparisons with the attack on British soldier Lee Rigby, who was hacked to death on a London street by Muslim extremists last year.
It emerged yesterday that death threats against Christians outside a school and church in Sydney's west have struck fear into parents and churchgoers. Police say two men in a red hatchback hurled abuse as they drove by Maronite College of the Holy Family in Harris Park and Our Lady of Lebanon church on Wednesday. They threatened to "kill the Christians" and slaughter their children while brandishing an Isis flag, a priest said.
NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione warned against any public backlash in the wake of the dawn raids. He said more than 220 police would participate in high-profile Operation Hammerhead, covering transport hubs and important and iconic sites.
The operation followed Australia's outgoing spy chief, ASIO director David Irvine, raising the terror alert level to "high" amid fears of an attack on home soil last Friday.
Chief of Defence Mark Binskin said the defence force was constantly reviewing security at its bases and may adjust the level of security over coming days.
Australia has estimated about 60 of its citizens are fighting for the Islamic State group and Jabhat al-Nusra in Iraq and Syria. Another 15 Australian fighters had been killed, including two young suicide bombers. The Government has said it believes about 100 Australians are actively supporting extremist groups from within Australia, recruiting fighters and grooming suicide bomber candidates as well as providing funds and equipment.
Western governments are facing an uphill battle trying to squeeze the finances of Islamic State jihadists, as the extremists operate like a "mafia" in territory under their control in Syria and Iraq, experts say.
Unlike the al-Qaeda network, which has relied almost exclusively on private donations, Isis holds a large area in Syria and Iraq that allows it to generate cash from extortion, kidnapping and smuggling of both oil and antiquities, analysts say. As a result, the group's funding presents a much more difficult target for Western sanctions compared to al-Qaeda's finances, said Evan Jendruck, an analyst at IHS Jane's consultancy.
Even conservative estimates portray Isis as the world's richest extremist organisation, raking in at least a million dollars a day.
The group is "merciless in shaking down local businesses for cash and routinely forces drivers on roads under its control to pay a tax", a US intelligence official said. "Its cash-raising activities resemble those of a mafia-like organisation."
- AAP, AP, AFP
So now the ISIS is using its international volunteers to extend its reach into western nations. Awesome.
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