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Ebola Patient Coming to U.S.
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-01 13:41:31
If the kid isn't in immediate physical danger, it's none of your business.
Someone else's kid is not my responsibility, it's theirs. I did not by default take part in its creation, so I should not by default be coerced into providing care. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't give a kid candy on Halloween or volunteer as a big brother or sister. It means that other people's business is their business and my business is my business. So why the hell is it suddenly your responsibility if it is immediate physical danger? It isn't your business, it is the parents.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 13:41:45
fiscal policy and start forking over the taxes to pay for their crying, hungry little ***.
or, you know, have people take care of their *** kids.
that could work.
I seriously hope you people against abortion and birth control impregnate/get impregnated every single time you have sex.
Every. Single. Time. No one's against "non abortive" birth control, You can't be serious. There are various religious groups that are against many, most, or all forms of birth control. Didn't Hobby Lobby JUST use their religious beliefs as a reason to remove birth control from their health care plan? only 4 of the 20 FDA approved forms.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 13:42:53
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Nausi, I've looked into the eyes of children I know are going to grow up to be *** up individuals with a battery of psychological and behavioral problems. It's an ominous feeling and one of complete helplessness.
Worse still are the parents that don't give a ***. So yes, if the option was there I'd rather them abort than waste a child's infinite potential. If they want to keep it, then there is nothing I can do.
This is the position from which I speak. I work in a field where I deal with these children at times, and also know people in personal life that deal with these children on a daily basis.
(In fact, I worth with a woman who is a foster mother to children such as these in addition to the work we do. I believe the label colloquially applied to people such as her is, "Saint", whether you believe in the divinity of the word or not).
Their parents are scum, yet the CYS system can't even gets these kids away from the parents, let alone undo the damage these parents have already done, further still it's harder yet to find loving home with patient foster parents that will take them in.
Restricting these people from procreating at all would be nothing but a boon to humanity as a whole.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-08-01 13:45:06
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Nausi, I've looked into the eyes of children I know are going to grow up to be *** up individuals with a battery of psychological and behavioral problems. It's an ominous feeling and one of complete helplessness.
Worse still are the parents that don't give a ***. So yes, if the option was there I'd rather them abort than waste a child's infinite potential. If they want to keep it, then there is nothing I can do. Your point is mired in thinking that merely because someone is damaged, they're also irreparable.
I know a lot of people who aren't damaged goods and, as a consequence, are wholly incapable of dealing with anything that happens to them more severe than a hangnail. The damaged people I know have real problems (often substance-related), but the unfortunate reality of surviving most ordeals is that you learn a certain amount of perspective.
Don't blow that out of proportion, though. I'd rather people never experience pain and live in their HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE little suburban bubbles than go through parental divorce, abuse, disease, or deaths in the family. But it's pretty callous to say that you'd rather someone never existed at all if their existence is going to be marked by strife.
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By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 13:45:18
Why is this now a pro vs anti abortion debate?
Seems to be such a hot topic in the US.
here, let me solve it for both sides:
1. Does the mother want the child?
If yes, -> She keeps it
If no, -> Is the mother more than 3 months pregnant?
if Yes, -> She continues pregnancy and gives it up for adoption
if no, Abort.
2. Am I the father?
If yes -> poidh
If no -> you ***.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-01 13:45:46
Are you trying to seduce me Hemorrhagic Fever?
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Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-01 13:45:55
No one's against "non abortive" birth control,
What are you considering abortive birth control?
Last time you said anything that affected the implantation in the uterus.
Edit: from previous thread
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 13:46:57
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Nausi, I've looked into the eyes of children I know are going to grow up to be *** up individuals with a battery of psychological and behavioral problems. It's an ominous feeling and one of complete helplessness. Perfectly good children being wasted because they have crappy parents who are intentionally neglecting them because they were a gigantic mistake.
Worse still are the parents that don't give a *** altogether bringing a 4 year old to school that isn't potty trained or completely unsocialized. So yes, if the option was there I'd rather them abort than waste a child's infinite potential. If they want to keep it, then there is nothing I can do. Freedom and all.
Children are a choice. If you don't want them, please opt the *** out.
So it's better to be aborted than to grow up with some psychological issues? You really think aborting the child isn't a bigger waste of human potential than being a far from perfect parent? That says far more about your distaste from people then those parents'.
No one grows up with a perfect family, but everyone deserves the chance to grow up.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 13:47:55
If you haven't considered the possibility of becoming a parent, you shouldn't be freely engaging in sex.
Sex has purposes other than reproductivity. Many -- all better, really -- purposes than reproductivity.
Quote: If the kid isn't in immediate physical danger, it's none of your business.
Children eating of of the garbage because parents haven't fed them for days on end isn't immediate physical danger.
Got it. None of my business.
I bet you're the kind of *** who thinks beating women is okay too because she totally chose to be with that guy.
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-01 13:48:23
You know when you sit there and say "I can't think of anything worse for a child..." two things come to mind. 1) There are plenty of things WORSE than living though a bad childhood. NOT LIVING at all being one of them. 2) Human's are free to live as they choose. That includes (for the most part) how they want to raise their kids.
You know what?
**warning, don't do this if you have any shred of empathy, and want to not feel like utter *****
Go to google images, and search for starving african child.
Now shut your damn mouth.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-01 13:49:22
I know you like giving things the classification of people, but like corporations, fetuses aren't people.
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By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 13:49:26
Justin Beiber, Celine Dion and Cher were almost aborted by their mothers...
I think I now know where I stand on this issue.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-01 13:49:44
Also the health institution that I don't know how it's called in english said they're being unable to contain the spreading which is much faster than their ability to catch it. So there's that. Not just the american doctor secured in a hospital. I think this has more to do with the general distrust that the stricken communities have towards doctors and modern medicine than the virulent nature of the virus.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-01 13:51:00
Justin Beiber, Celine Dion and Cher were almost aborted by their mothers...
I think I now know where I stand on this issue. Hey Cher was fine. Maybe not fine to look at, but fine for music.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 13:51:34
You know when you sit there and say "I can't think of anything worse for a child..." two things come to mind. 1) There are plenty of things WORSE than living though a bad childhood. NOT LIVING at all being one of them. 2) Human's are free to live as they choose. That includes (for the most part) how they want to raise their kids.
You know what?
**warning, don't do this if you have any shred of empathy, and want to not feel like utter *****
Go to google images, and search for starving african child.
Now shut your damn mouth.
Right, better they not exist at all than suffer. Got it!
By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 13:52:54
Justin Beiber, Celine Dion and Cher were almost aborted by their mothers...
I think I now know where I stand on this issue. Hey Cher was fine. Maybe not fine to look at, but fine for music.
David Hasslehof has more talent.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-01 13:53:46
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Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 13:54:36
You know when you sit there and say "I can't think of anything worse for a child..." two things come to mind. 1) There are plenty of things WORSE than living though a bad childhood. NOT LIVING at all being one of them. 2) Human's are free to live as they choose. That includes (for the most part) how they want to raise their kids.
You know what?
**warning, don't do this if you have any shred of empathy, and want to not feel like utter *****
Go to google images, and search for starving african child.
Now shut your damn mouth.
Right, better they not exist at all than suffer. Got it!
Yeah. Actually.
Children that were never even conceived can't suffer. In fact, they never existed. You don't have to mourn them at all, unless of course you mourn every single ejaculation you've ever had that didn't impregnate a woman.
Hell you don't even mourn people who do exist.
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By Raein Tilgung 2014-08-01 13:54:45
You know when you sit there and say "I can't think of anything worse for a child..." two things come to mind. 1) There are plenty of things WORSE than living though a bad childhood. NOT LIVING at all being one of them. 2) Human's are free to live as they choose. That includes (for the most part) how they want to raise their kids.
You know what?
**warning, don't do this if you have any shred of empathy, and want to not feel like utter *****
Go to google images, and search for starving african child.
Now shut your damn mouth.
Right, better they not exist at all than suffer. Got it! Because dying extremely young and suffering the entire time is such a wonderful life.
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By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 13:55:21
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-08-01 13:57:04
No one's against "non abortive" birth control,
What are you considering abortive birth control?
Last time you said anything that affected the implantation in the uterus.
Edit: from previous thread
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
Topics of BC and abortion are really becoming a fool's errand on here, unfortunately.
EDIT: Then again, maybe they always were.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-01 13:57:10
unless of course you mourn every single ejaculation you've ever had that didn't impregnate a woman "I'm really sorry guys, but I have to let you go..." *all over her face*
By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 13:58:07
misread and jumped the gun my bad.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-01 13:58:32
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Nausi, I've looked into the eyes of children I know are going to grow up to be *** up individuals with a battery of psychological and behavioral problems. It's an ominous feeling and one of complete helplessness.
Worse still are the parents that don't give a ***. So yes, if the option was there I'd rather them abort than waste a child's infinite potential. If they want to keep it, then there is nothing I can do. Your point is mired in thinking that merely because someone is damaged, they're also irreparable.
I know a lot of people who aren't damaged goods and, as a consequence, are wholly incapable of dealing with anything that happens to them more severe than a hangnail. The damaged people I know have real problems (often substance-related), but the unfortunate reality of surviving most ordeals is that you learn a certain amount of perspective.
Don't blow that out of proportion, though. I'd rather people never experience pain and live in their HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE little suburban bubbles than go through parental divorce, abuse, disease, or deaths in the family. But it's pretty callous to say that you'd rather someone never existed at all if their existence is going to be marked by strife.
Complete strawman. No one expects people to live in a 'bubble' or have a perfect life but if you're born to an unstable home your likelihood of making it to adulthood as a productive, stable citizen is markedly lower than those in an overall stable home.
We have the option in society to opt out of a pregnancy you don't want one. Contraception is an option. Education is an option. Abortion is an option. If you're at that point where daddy has jumped town and you're not really about that mother life, abort and save us all the misery of a phoned in parenting.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-01 13:58:52
Seha's into creamshots, that's interesting ^.O
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 13:59:07
No one's against "non abortive" birth control,
What are you considering abortive birth control?
Last time you said anything that affected the implantation in the uterus.
Edit: from previous thread
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.
Topics of BC and abortion are really becoming a fool's errand on here, unfortunately.
EDIT: Then again, maybe they always were.
It's all_my_fault.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-01 13:59:43
unless of course you mourn every single ejaculation you've ever had that didn't impregnate a woman "I'm really sorry guys, but I have to let you go..." *all over her face* Relevant:
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Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:00:35
Seha's into creamshots, that's interesting ^.O ~.~'
FTFY
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-08-01 14:00:43
Ebola virus to abortion?
Can we just go back to talking about beer?!
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2014-08-01 14:00:53
Justin Beiber, Celine Dion and Cher were almost aborted by their mothers...
I think I now know where I stand on this issue. Hey Cher was fine. Maybe not fine to look at, but fine for music. YouTube Video Placeholder
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Reuters.com said: A U.S. aid worker who was infected with the deadly Ebola virus while working in West Africa will be flown to the United States to be treated in a high-security ward at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, hospital officials said on Thursday.
The aid worker, whose name has not been released, will be moved in the next several days to a special isolation unit at Emory. The unit was set up in collaboration with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
CDC spokeswoman Barbara Reynolds said her agency was working with the U.S. State Department to facilitate the transfer.
Reynolds said the CDC was not aware of any Ebola patient ever being treated in the United States, but five people in the past decade have entered the country with either Lassa Fever or Marburg Fever, hemorrhagic fevers similar to Ebola.
News of the transfer follows reports of the declining health of two infected U.S. aid workers, Dr. Kent Brantly and missionary Nancy Writebol, who contracted Ebola while working in Liberia on behalf of North Carolina-based Christian relief groups Samaritan's Purse and SIM.
CNN and ABC News reported that a second American infected with Ebola was to be flown to the United States. CNN identified the U.S.-bound patients as Brantly and Writebol. Reuters could not independently confirm the reports.
Amber Brantly, the wife of Dr. Brantly, said in a statement: "I remain hopeful and believing that Kent will be healed from this dreadful disease."
Earlier on Thursday, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the State Department was working with the CDC on medical evacuations of infected American humanitarian aid workers.
The outbreak in West Africa is the worst in history, having killed more than 700 people since February. On Thursday, the CDC issued a travel advisory urging people to avoid all non-essential travel to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, the epicenter of the outbreak.
Brantly and Writebol "were in stable but grave" condition as of early Thursday morning, the relief organizations said. A spokeswoman for the groups could not confirm whether the patient being transferred to Emory was one of their aid workers.
CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden said in a conference call that transferring gravely ill patients has the potential to do more harm than good.
Meanwhile, the National Institutes of Health plans in mid-September to begin testing an experimental Ebola vaccine on people after seeing encouraging results in pre-clinical trials on monkeys, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's allergy and infectious diseases unit, said in an email.
In its final stages, Ebola causes external and internal bleeding, vomiting and diarrhea. About 60 percent of people infected in the current outbreak are dying from the illness.
Writebol, 59, received an experimental drug doctors hope will improve her health, SIM said. Brantly, 33, received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who survived Ebola with the help of Brantly's medical care, said Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan's Purse.
Frieden could not comment on the specifics of either treatment but said: "We have reviewed the evidence of the treatments out there and don't find any treatment that has proven effectiveness against Ebola."
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Not really sure how I feel about this.
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