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Well I don't agree with this being insult; to each his own lol


Edit: I claimed the 50th page btw.

You're in for a lot of troubles.

Don't worry about it. At least you know your mistake and are changing for the better.

I retract my statement saying you are nearly as bad as Senkyuutai

I hereby declare war on you all. *runs forward with a rubber sword*

Why does that sword look like a giant rubber dong?

Beaten.

by a giant rubber dong.

Where is fonewear who was only betting on 30 pages!

Trying to buy a pair of $500 sunglasses to impress the ladies.

You rang

He didn't impress the ladies, though.

Page 50 - wow.
I've read pretty much every post. Some where enlightening and some read like they were taken from the Israeli's propaganda playbook. Be that either by those of us who are unfortunate enough to have been programmed by the mainstream media to think what we think, or by actual Israeli media propogandists. Of course, there is always the third type, which is the worst; opinions that stem from pure hate-filled racism.

You see the Israeli propograndists are and can be ignorant of the truth as well. This is a temporary situation. They will eventually, through their daily lives come to know or experience something which opens their eyes to the truth. They will then either choose to ignore it, or do the right thing.
This is Demonstrated best by the countless Israeli IDF reserve soldiers who refuse to serve, and by the even greater number of present and ex-IDF soldiers who are speaking out against the brutal occupation of Palestine.

It is also demonstrated by the countless scholars and leaders in their fields who happen to be either Jewish or Israeli, and speak out against Israel's systematic oppression against a beleaguered and desperate people, who have been in this situation for some 70-80 years. Prominent and Heavyweight names from across all walks of life like Nelson Mandela, Steven Hawkins, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein, Bono of U2, Barack obama, Roger Walters of Pink Floyd, Eddie Vedder of Pearljam, Ice Cube, Cold play, Lionel Messi,.... the list goes on and on.. All these people continue to, or have in the past, speak out against the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. This list includes ex-mossad chiefs, ex-CIA heads, ex-IDF generals as well.

However, and forgive me for generalizing, but I find no other way of saying this - the ignorant Americans active on these forums, without any knowledge of the history of the situation, being too lazy to look into it and not being aware of how his/her tax dollars are spent - HE is the most guilty of any, and the absolute worst. They turn the subject into a laughing matter. I used to think that they were oblivious to the atrocities committed on the ground, but I've seen a few posts here that clearly direct them to images and newsfeeds of hundreds of children with their brains splattered across the floor, some of them still in their mother's arms.... such horror.. and yet, some still address the subject either with dismissal, or even worse, with a "wipe them all out".
Such words are themselves a crime against humanity. They are no different from the words of Nazi in the 1940's. Such words clearly demonstrate that in their opinion, not all life is sacred, only their lives and those of their friends. Those that look and talk like them. Those that watch the same TV shows and news programmes as them. Anyone else who differs, well ... "wipe them out".
Doesn't sound or appear to be very democratic to me.

Speaking on democracy, if the majority of the planet was governed by democratic governments, you would be one of the smallest minorities. The chinese, Indians and Muslims would be the majority. Do you truly believe in democracy, once faced with the hard numbers?

Muslims happen to be a 5th of this planet. "Wiping them all out" would be the worst act against humanity.

The middle east, which accounts for about 700 million people, is in a state of perpetual war because of 6 million european settlers. What is ironic to note, is that the European and American supporters of Israel always mention how Israel is the only democracy with western values in the middle east. Why would/should a country not geographically located in the west, have western values? What's wrong with eastern or middle eastern values? The defense and main justification for Israel's apartheid governance is, in itself, Racist at the very core.

Lets not fool ourselves into believing this defense of Israel is based on what is just or right. It is nothing more than the arrogance of the strong and mighty who does not need to see others' perspective or views because they can use force when necessary.

Like it or not, the world is more Muslim than it is American. Rather than looking at the world using your own subjective values and standards of judgement, perhaps you should learn to understand others...

What grinds my gears the most is that an American has the power to make a difference, to save countless lives on all sides, but continues to be the inactive, apathetic, lazy and clueless politically...

When faced with hard facts about what is going on in Palestine, as demonstrated in this forum, you derailed it and turned it into a dog pile of ***.

I guess you're just too used to living in filth, everywhere you go and everything you touch, turns to it.

Hey Elliot Rodger would probably support Israel.

To be fair not all the countries on that list are "most oppressive regimes in the world" nor "harbor known globally active terrorists willingly". You sound like every single country on that list are like that.

I had a long, well-expressed post typed out in response to this.

I deleted it.

Bottom line is that if you want to be taken seriously when you spit venom at the U.S. for not being more accepting and tolerant of the rest of the world, and when you accuse us of generalizing an entire category of people based on the actions of a high-profile few...don't do the exact same thing, insulting us in similar fashion.

Edit: especially when you have written proof in this very thread -- which you allege to have read -- that some of us want to see the aggressors on both sides adequately punished and removed from the equation.

I never said or implied all countries on that list. Read what I wrote again. I also pointed out that the Philippines, which has had it's own internal political repression, and close ties to the US, voted "Yes", despite the US voting "No"

"I hate quotations tell me what you know" Emerson.


A self aware quote. I'm scared.

There are also benefits as to why a thread is derailed - It breaks the tension, and creates a dialogue of something common to agree on, and reduces the stress and anger levels of the involved posters.

Then we carried on the discussion once again, which devolved into more mud slinging and personal attacks.

like being generalized as falling prey to the Zionist propaganda for those that disagreed or had a different opinion or viewpoint, with little mention of falling prey to the Hamas propaganda machine.

Funny how he said the most oppressive regimes... I'm not agreeing that they are oppressive or the worst human rights violators, that sounds like a blanket statement based on an opinion with no facts or truths backing it, just something they heard once about a country in a world they have no geographic knowledge of...

But its funny because I bet the countries in that list that may be oppressive, are US backed regimes.... lol

This is your original post:


Sounds like "all the countries on the list" to me.

What I can say about that graph is that I expected nothing other than abstention from Italy. Our country has a long reknown history of only taking sides if they're sure of the winner.

Based on the freedom in the world report in 2014, some countries on that list scored a 1 and 1(highest), which has same lv of freedom as the US and Canada.

How come you just didn't say this? That is all you were saying in that wall-o-text there.

Again, read what was written. You're intentionally omitting facts from what was posted, even using what I posted.

"According to the article"

And blazed, very few, particularly China, Russia, Argentia, African countries, etc. are backed by the US. At most, they receive foreign aid, which is snatched up by the dictators/governments, and denied to the people for whom they were sent.

Even other countries, on that list, accuse each other in the UN meeting halls, of human rights violations. There are plenty of documents to support it. So it's not really a blanket statement.

I absolutely agree. I was just saying that you can't say the countries that voted yes are human violaters themselves and at odds with America on a core level.

That list of countries that voted yes are unified in one thing and one thing only; they think Israel is an oppressive state killing innocent people and voted so.


EDIT: Also, (and if pushed to find source I will find it) I seem to recall that the United States is one of the countries with the most "terrorists" active in it). Can we accuse the US of harboring terrorists just because there are some loonies in there with some radical ideas?

Hell, China-US and Russia-US play the "human rights violations" ping-pong game once per news cycle, it seems sometimes.

And they're all right. By varying degrees, of course, but splitting hairs aside, there isn't a country on Earth above reproach when it comes to fair, humane treatment of all of its citizens, international visitors, and prisoners.

I was just thinking of the irony of heavily oppressive governments voting on Israel being guilty of crimes against humanity/human rights violations, without taking into account what Hamas is doing/has done.

By no means, when I say Hamas, do I include everyone in Palestine under that name. I know better than that.

Hell, when 9/11 happened, the school I went to, had a large muslim population. A friend of mine came to class, terrified of being beaten up, even though he was innocent. So I stood up, told the class, if anyone wants to beat him up, they have to go through me first.

Several tried. It ain't easy standing up for your convictions, and gets ya hurt.