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Command to Change Multiple Pieces of Gear
I'm of the opinion that I care about my friends who I party with enough so I'd rather not waste their time by being a dead weight. Proper swapping isn't all about how well you parse or e-peen, it's about making sure you have what it takes to clear content so you don't fail over and over. Some jobs have it a bit easier. You can do okay on a healer with minimal swaps but if someone dies because you don't have enough fc to get a cure off in time or can't keep statuses off or can't remove doom because you don't use any of the cursna gear... It's all on you. If you play with people who don't care or are solo then by all means.
Not sure why one would choose to play this game and not use gearswaps.. it's one of the better things about this game.
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Fenrir.Atheryn said: » I suppose you could also argue that if you've got time to keep track of who is and isn't swapping gear in your party, you're not paying enough attention to your own job... Experienced players are often very much auto pilot when it comes to their 'usual' jobs. This affords plenty of time to watch other players sucking. If a run fails, it is important to know why and who not to bring next time. Otherwise it is the definition of insanity. It's frequently not worth weeding out exactly why a particular player sucks. I can't even name ten people on my server who don't gearswap, because I always just look at the parse and go "well, that person is never coming again" without really diagnosing what their problem is. If someone could parse respectably while not gear swapping, I'd probably keep inviting them to events.
In the few cases where I have noticed players that are not changing gear, though, it has really been the icing on the cake. Typically such players are so stubborn and terrible at their jobs that they'd be ***-tier even if they did change gear. Sieha1 said: » Experienced players are often very much auto pilot when it comes to their 'usual' jobs. Offline
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Lets also get into the real meat of this issue. If a player doesnt gear swap they dont need to be in end game. Not saying they suck and will cause issues, what I am saying is that they dont need the gear from end game because its mostly macro swap gear anyway! why join a Tenzen shout if you dont gear swap. or well anything else. So sparks for RF gear, and a win or two from delve and they have all the gear they ever will use!
FaeQueenCory said: » Ragnarok.Afania said: » Using windower is not "legit" based on agreement. Regardless of what others say. I don't mind ppl parse higher than me with it. I don't tell others not to use it either. I just hate it when ppl try to justify it, or try to imply that "is a silly choice" for not using it. They did expand the macro system though. On Nov. 20, 2007 (over 6 1/2 years ago) they introduce the most game changing expansion to the macro system:
This made it much easier and more practical for console and non-windower players to seek out and reach greater levels of performance. However, even with this change the delay between changing gear was far too much to the point where certain performance tweaks weren't worth the extra time. The built in delay of the system isn't a game design choice, it is a security blanket to account for lag. I don't remember the time each line took, and I don't want to say it took 1 second per line, but it might have been. Windower came along to break away from limitations, and is the purpose of the project. What has Windower given to the community of FFXI as a whole, even for console and non windower players?
FFXIAH is also a partner site of Windower and Guildwork, and gave us the tools to browse the AH while offline, keep track of sales, and various other tools. I'm sure I'm missing a few updates but that is what I remember. Ultimately Windower is a 3rd party program for Final Fantasy XI that offers many positive enhancements to the game. It began as a simple program to allow the game to run in windowed mode and has evolved into a full game enhancer. Quote: We attempt to bring many positive enhancements to the game while striving to not hurt other players' gaming experience. Our goal is to make the game more enjoyable and enhanced in the areas that the PS2 is holding the game back. This is the purpose of Windower, however, it is 3rd party program. It does break the ToS, and it can get you banned if you use it. Yet they still worked hard to enhance the game, to make it better where the developers could not. It's not even that the developers would not, as anyone who knows development takes time in XI, and a single update that is meaningful to the community can take years to be implemented. Players took meaningful Quality of Life enhancements to the game in their own hands. Just think of how much you've dreamed that the game had this, or could do this, but you don't have the experience to do it yourself. Many players were influenced by Windower to learn how to program to do exactly that. To make meaningful updates that they controlled without relying on SE to do it for them. These updates that the players made themselves where even implemented into the game as I showed above. SE took their hard work, their inspiration and imagination, and made it into a permanent update that will last for the game's lifespan. That player influenced the game to the point that they made a difference, not only for their own dreams as to what they wanted the game to have, but for everyone to enjoy on all platforms. I think that's just the coolest thing about Windower, that you can make a difference in your game. Yes..., there is a lot of negative that Windower introduced, and a lot of exploits, that ended up hurting the community too. There is no doubt that people bot and use hacks that give them an unfair advantage over any console or legit player. It's unfair to them, that they have to use the system that was given to them while others blatantly cheat for their own advantage. However, it is of my own personal opinion that the good Windower provided to the FFXI community far outweighs the bad in the end. There are always going to be those who exploit and cheat, and they don't even need Windower to do this. The purpose of Windower is not to go to such extremes that people have come to know, it is to enhance the game and make it more rich with UI updates, map updates, HD icons, plugins that show information that is already sent to you and SE is slowly working towards giving us this information. It's goal is to bring out the good in the game and make it better, even if it might slip and cross the line on a few points, or give too much power to the user. In the end it's purpose is to extend the lifespan of the game by making it better without SE having to spend development resources to do it. SE will never officially announce that they are okay with Windower, but as I showed above, they aren't afraid to silently tip their hat to them by making an idea permanent that everyone can enjoy. Valefor.Sehachan said: » People who don't change gear aren't worth bringing to endgame, ever. That's not an opinion. Ragnarok.Afania said: » Using windower is not "legit" based on agreement. Regardless of what others say. I don't mind ppl parse higher than me with it. I don't tell others not to use it either. I just hate it when ppl try to justify it, or try to imply that "is a silly choice" for not using it. See, I take exception to this, during the VW era I used to Play an XBOX and be on BLU mage (we all know how much a gearswap job blu is) and I had 3 books filled with complex macros for swapping gears for EVERY spell and ws. And I won a few of those parses in VW procing all my spells and dding at the same time. I was beating SAM and DRK's as a BLU on xbox. Not saying I'm amazing (Although I am really in sub text) but it is Doable on an inferior machine, using an inferior system, to perform well. Although when I used windower, I did see a rather marked improvement in game play, and this crippling injury to my left hand from a motorcycle accident, certainly didn't feel as painful hitting 1 macro rather than 31 different buttons . . . Cerberus.Conagh said: » Ragnarok.Afania said: » Using windower is not "legit" based on agreement. Regardless of what others say. I don't mind ppl parse higher than me with it. I don't tell others not to use it either. I just hate it when ppl try to justify it, or try to imply that "is a silly choice" for not using it. See, I take exception to this, during the VW era I used to Play an XBOX and be on BLU mage (we all know how much a gearswap job blu is) and I had 3 books filled with complex macros for swapping gears for EVERY spell and ws. And I won a few of those parses in VW procing all my spells and dding at the same time. I was beating SAM and DRK's as a BLU on xbox. Not saying I'm amazing (Although I am really in sub text) but it is Doable on an inferior machine, using an inferior system, to perform well. Although when I used windower, I did see a rather marked improvement in game play, and this crippling injury to my left hand from a motorcycle accident, certainly didn't feel as painful hitting 1 macro rather than 31 different buttons . . . :) Kalila said: » Cerberus.Conagh said: » Ragnarok.Afania said: » Using windower is not "legit" based on agreement. Regardless of what others say. I don't mind ppl parse higher than me with it. I don't tell others not to use it either. I just hate it when ppl try to justify it, or try to imply that "is a silly choice" for not using it. See, I take exception to this, during the VW era I used to Play an XBOX and be on BLU mage (we all know how much a gearswap job blu is) and I had 3 books filled with complex macros for swapping gears for EVERY spell and ws. And I won a few of those parses in VW procing all my spells and dding at the same time. I was beating SAM and DRK's as a BLU on xbox. Not saying I'm amazing (Although I am really in sub text) but it is Doable on an inferior machine, using an inferior system, to perform well. Although when I used windower, I did see a rather marked improvement in game play, and this crippling injury to my left hand from a motorcycle accident, certainly didn't feel as painful hitting 1 macro rather than 31 different buttons . . . :) hey! just making a point, I could beat Windower players, because a sucky player is sucky regardless of the tools they use. Cerberus.Conagh said: » a sucky player is sucky regardless of the tools they use "There are bad players aroud" well, no ***. It will always be Skill > Gear > Platform & Tools
Let's say we have a windower user who uses spellcast, with gear that is about 75% BiS, but they are lazy and don't try very hard 3 + 7 + 5 = 15 Then let's say we have a console player who is well geared and they know their job well, and does their best. 10 + 10 + 1 = 21 However, if the 2nd player moved to the platform and tools the first player had they would have 25 instead. Ignoring my nonsensical math above, the platform will hold you back no matter what you argue, but that doesn't mean you can't perform well. If you perform really well on console, you will perform even better given the right platform and tools to do so. That doesn't mean you need it, but you are purposefully handicapping yourself. I'm not trying to make an argument to use windower or anything, just trying to make a point that maybe I shouldn't try to make :x Offline
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That's patently false when applied to a game like FFXI where basically all situational awareness involves changing gear and can thus be automated (which is, of course, what gearswap is all about).
I don't have a problem with it, personally; FFXI's always favored preparation over skill/reflexes and carrying around 5 pieces of gear for when I specifically have haste and two marches seems pretty in keeping with that. But it's super disingenuous to lump copying somebody's code to make sure gearswap handles that for me in with any definition of video game skill somebody not interested in self-congratulation would recognize. kalila has never made a false point.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Cerberus.Conagh said: » a sucky player is sucky regardless of the tools they use "There are bad players aroud" well, no ***. My point wasn't about whether WIndower > POL, I think we all see the value in using Windower. However... I prefer not using windower, I miss the furious button bashing on my control pad (felt like street fighter), the movement controls were far more sensitive. However there came a point where carryin x number of gear for x reasons for x things, and then xbox ram / performance issues in high populated areas / additional effects / being able to alt tab for quest details, became too advantagious to go back for me. My point is simply that you Don't need windower to be good but I agree it can make you better, the system encourages laziness which assuming you put your mind to other uses IE assessing the situation, you improve, but if your brain turns to squish cos you're bored, then you'll suck, so there is an argument to be made for both. Your brain is haggis
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Hooray! As a console player I always used macros but it just sucked when you had to cycle between 3 macros, lag, and other issues that made it tough to compete with windower players. Hopefully they will have the setup where you can macro sets and atts/casts and return to sets seemlessly. I can't wait for this update because it may not put console users equal to pc/windower players but it should certainly narrow the gap. I honestly hate though wnen some windower users attempt to say that it doesn't give them a significant advantage over console or vanilla users.
Pantafernando said: » Has way more functionality than I expected(esp that "Use Current" option). Being able to make the sets without moving gear around will be really convenient too. I hope that they introduce a new equip packet for it that allows 16 swaps at once. It would have to be at least 16x3+4 bytes long, but they would probably make it 68 bytes. Would be useful for gearswap.
Pantafernando said: » And it's really a "complaint" and not a real complaint. Is that it was teased with "you'll have ~100 sets!"... 1/5 that is... Minorly disappointing. But at least it seems that they're gonna up the number... Hopefully at the very least to 50. (Though maybe they made only 20 so that they can be saved to the server?? If so, kudos.) 20 sets is a good start. At least enough to cover a few melee jobs basic needs. Or 1-2 Mage jobs.
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This is amazing, congrats to all the console users. I know a lot of console users don't gearswap because its more inefficient when scrolling through 4 macro lines/ dealing w/lag - aka 10 seconds wasted and gearswap isn't needed by then.
Especially nice for scholar..fast cast set for sutn, MAB for nukes.. cure set. Regen / pdt/mdt set. That's 4 sets right there. Lakshmi.Byrth said: » I hope that they introduce a new equip packet for it that allows 16 swaps at once. It would have to be at least 16x3+4 bytes long, but they would probably make it 68 bytes. Would be useful for gearswap. Ragnarok.Sekundes said: » Lakshmi.Byrth said: » I hope that they introduce a new equip packet for it that allows 16 swaps at once. It would have to be at least 16x3+4 bytes long, but they would probably make it 68 bytes. Would be useful for gearswap. That's actually the only alternative. They've already said that they aren't going to be storing the equipment sets on the server (and thus you can't sync them between computers easily), so there's no real chance they'll be sending a packet that designates a particular equipment set. Offline
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I know I'm probably the only one who doesn't understand what Byrth is referring to but what do you mean by packet? My ideal situation of this system would be that I'm able make sets for my Sam for TP and WS which let's assume changes all equipment peices. SO the macro would ideally equip WS set, WS, equip TP set (with perhaps so wait command in there) and I'm off and getting tp again. If this is the case this would be HUGE for console players since the lag can br a real issue and sometimes hitting the 2nd macro to quick can lead to the first macro not executing.
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Side effect of this is there will probably be a increase off accessory gear and specialty stat bonus gear like fastcast and others where people just didn't have room in macros to equip it before.
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FaeQueenCory said: » Pantafernando said: » And it's really a "complaint" and not a real complaint. Is that it was teased with "you'll have ~100 sets!"... 1/5 that is... Minorly disappointing. But at least it seems that they're gonna up the number... Hopefully at the very least to 50. (Though maybe they made only 20 so that they can be saved to the server?? If so, kudos.) They are probably doing it like this to test it and make sure it doesn't completely crash the system like the original AH did. |
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