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Teacher Posed A Risk "Due To Mental Illness"
Teacher Posed a Risk "Due to Mental Illness"
Well, that guy does have issues.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
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<Knock on door>
<Liberal> Sir, have you heard about the good word of Al Gore? His second coming is on us to destroy the evils of capitalism and global warming! His disciples Barrak Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are doing His good works in order to prevent the surge of the evil rich from taking over 'merica with their evil ways. His Coming is here! Now, if you pledge your allegiance to the Nation of Gore and donate all your money along with the names and social security numbers of your entire family, you too will have a place in His Greatness.
<Liberal> Sir, have you heard about the good word of Al Gore? His second coming is on us to destroy the evils of capitalism and global warming! His disciples Barrak Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are doing His good works in order to prevent the surge of the evil rich from taking over 'merica with their evil ways. His Coming is here! Now, if you pledge your allegiance to the Nation of Gore and donate all your money along with the names and social security numbers of your entire family, you too will have a place in His Greatness.
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I talk to conspiracy theorists on FFXIAH all the time no different than this teacher.
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Well, that guy does have issues.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
I don't think it was an "ease of use" issue to say he's mentally ill upon termination, since he refused to undergo a psychiatric evaluation and believed all that ***. I mean, the same could go for anyone who walks around claiming they hear voices telling them to kill other people, later having their words come back to bite them in the *** when their employer lets them go, or an overly suicidal person being fired.
Those are all blatantly clear signs of something being not quite right in their heads.
Think about it: If the guy is really good at his job, the school district would have spent money getting the guy help to keep him.
By firing his sorry butt, he must have been a really bad teacher (since mediocrity isn't considered bad in the teaching profession, he has to be absolutely horrible in order for them to fire him without giving him a chance to fix himself).
-Involuntarily taken to the hospital with 'fast pulse' as the only reason
-forced into a week long barrage of *** from a mental health facility, which concluded he was fit to return to work
-expected to undergo further mental health evaluation, complied
-no data on what the doctor said, just the principle claiming he lied during evaluation.. so i guess he did fine in that one as well
-fired for mental health issues
by the sounds of it, he didn't even make threats, they're just assuming he's dangerous because he thought the government was behind that shooting.. on the word of a medium who met him on online scrabble
(i'm in no way saying the guy isn't a nut job and the school isn't safer without him, but what happened to due process..? the only concrete evidence i'm seeing is the medical examinations, which seem to be extensive and don't seem to have turned up anything)
-forced into a week long barrage of *** from a mental health facility, which concluded he was fit to return to work
-expected to undergo further mental health evaluation, complied
-no data on what the doctor said, just the principle claiming he lied during evaluation.. so i guess he did fine in that one as well
-fired for mental health issues
by the sounds of it, he didn't even make threats, they're just assuming he's dangerous because he thought the government was behind that shooting.. on the word of a medium who met him on online scrabble
(i'm in no way saying the guy isn't a nut job and the school isn't safer without him, but what happened to due process..? the only concrete evidence i'm seeing is the medical examinations, which seem to be extensive and don't seem to have turned up anything)
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Well, that guy does have issues.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
But I think the real issue is how easy people use the "mental illness" card.
I don't think it was an "ease of use" issue to say he's mentally ill upon termination, since he refused to undergo a psychiatric evaluation and believed all that ***. I mean, the same could go for anyone who walks around claiming they hear voices telling them to kill other people, later having their words come back to bite them in the *** when their employer lets them go, or an overly suicidal person being fired.
Those are all blatantly clear signs of something being not quite right in their heads.
Think about it: If the guy is really good at his job, the school district would have spent money getting the guy help to keep him.
By firing his sorry butt, he must have been a really bad teacher (since mediocrity isn't considered bad in the teaching profession, he has to be absolutely horrible in order for them to fire him without giving him a chance to fix himself).
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Hochman asked Heller to undergo psychiatric evaluation.
Heller met with Dr. Alexander Lerman twice in April, after which Hochman brought Heller up on disciplinary charges in June 2013. Hochman said in the charges that Heller made intentionally false statements during Lerman's evaluation.
Heller met with Dr. Alexander Lerman twice in April, after which Hochman brought Heller up on disciplinary charges in June 2013. Hochman said in the charges that Heller made intentionally false statements during Lerman's evaluation.
He went to the psychiatric evaluations, and the principle claimed he made intentionally false statements during it. Why the principle is privy to his medical care is questionable to begin with, but patient-doctor confidentiality means that he shouldn't even have a way to confirm that. All I'm seeing out of that is that the doctor cleared him and the principle wanted to keep going.
Your quote is from the principle, not from the doctor.
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To be fair, if someone challenged my sanity in a professional environment and required me to be evaluated by a Psychiatrist, I'd probably be slightly pissed too. I'm not sure that I'd go as far as to *** my way through the evaluation, but the thought would definitely cross my mind.
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He'd already been through a week long involuntary stay at a mental health facility that cleared him:
I don't understand why the principle has any right to demand further evaluation after that, and I'm still not seeing any concrete information stating that he actually bullshitted the evaluation either.
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On Jan. 23, 2013, Heller was transferred to the Behavior Health Unit, where he was "involuntarily committed and, over the course of a week, seen by many doctors," according to the petition filed by Heller's lawyer, Michael Sussman. Heller was ultimately discharged with a clearance letter saying he "could return to work on Feb. 11," and he contacted Hochman with the news.
I don't understand why the principle has any right to demand further evaluation after that, and I'm still not seeing any concrete information stating that he actually bullshitted the evaluation either.
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Mr. Heller expressed in an internet communication that he believed the U.S. government programmed the Newtown school shooter, which indicates that he might feel compelled to commit a similar act.
That's.....quite a leap there.
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Actually, no.
If the doctor thought a child was being abused, they would have concluded he was a threat. If there was a court order, it would have been mentioned. Any knowledge the principle had of the evaluation was illegitimate or unverified. The way I read it, the principle didn't want to accept the psychiatrist's conclusion so he assumed the guy lied to the psychiatrist. Heller had already cleared a week long inpatient stay.
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Connecticut's physician-patient privilege law prohibits a physician from disclosing information about a patient without the patient's explicit consent. The prohibition applies to disclosure in any civil action or proceeding preliminary to it and to any probate, legislative, or administrative proceeding. The law contains several exceptions that permit disclosure without the patient's consent in certain cases. These include (1) if the doctor knows or has a good faith suspicion that a child; elderly person; or disabled, incompetent, or mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE individual is being abused and (2) pursuant to any statute or regulation of any state agency or court rule (CGS § 52-146o(b)).
If the doctor thought a child was being abused, they would have concluded he was a threat. If there was a court order, it would have been mentioned. Any knowledge the principle had of the evaluation was illegitimate or unverified. The way I read it, the principle didn't want to accept the psychiatrist's conclusion so he assumed the guy lied to the psychiatrist. Heller had already cleared a week long inpatient stay.
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No context for 'wanting to kill people'. No specific quote. Going by the word of a medium, over something said on an online game.
His guns were legal, he passed the inpatient evaluation. He presumably passed the later evaluation as well, else this (obviously biased) article wouldn't have passed up the opportunity to mention it.
His guns were legal, he passed the inpatient evaluation. He presumably passed the later evaluation as well, else this (obviously biased) article wouldn't have passed up the opportunity to mention it.
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He is talking through mediums I'm talking to experts. Get on my level!
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Heller joined the district in 2003 and earned $97,391 in 2012-13 according to records.
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Actually, no.
If the doctor thought a child was being abused, they would have concluded he was a threat. If there was a court order, it would have been mentioned. Any knowledge the principle had of the evaluation was illegitimate or unverified. The way I read it, the principle didn't want to accept the psychiatrist's conclusion so he assumed the guy lied to the psychiatrist. Heller had already cleared a week long inpatient stay.
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Connecticut's physician-patient privilege law prohibits a physician from disclosing information about a patient without the patient's explicit consent. The prohibition applies to disclosure in any civil action or proceeding preliminary to it and to any probate, legislative, or administrative proceeding. The law contains several exceptions that permit disclosure without the patient's consent in certain cases. These include (1) if the doctor knows or has a good faith suspicion that a child; elderly person; or disabled, incompetent, or mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE individual is being abused and (2) pursuant to any statute or regulation of any state agency or court rule (CGS § 52-146o(b)).
If the doctor thought a child was being abused, they would have concluded he was a threat. If there was a court order, it would have been mentioned. Any knowledge the principle had of the evaluation was illegitimate or unverified. The way I read it, the principle didn't want to accept the psychiatrist's conclusion so he assumed the guy lied to the psychiatrist. Heller had already cleared a week long inpatient stay.
READ THE ARTICLE!!
Granted yes, I do live in Connecticut, yet the article takes place in New York. Two completely different states, two completely different sets of rules and laws. Also, again, if your employer tells you to go for a psych exam, then yes. The results are made clear to the employer afterward. In the same way, your PCP would keep your employer aware of your physical condition upon request and your consent, if you were injured while at work.
This is the internet no one reads.
Bismarck.Magnuss said: »
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Heller joined the district in 2003 and earned $97,391 in 2012-13 according to records.
Cost of living and so forth. Plus 11 years to get to that income.
Woops, that said New York. Anyway...
This is true. Still, anyplace is better than Arizona.
fonewear said: »
Cost of living and so forth. Plus 11 years to get to that income.
This is true. Still, anyplace is better than Arizona.
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So he has a mental problem doesn't that just limit him to three guns instead of five ?
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