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By fonewear 2015-09-29 14:59:17
Side bar related to Hillary (not really but *** it) I'm not digging the new Mad Max as much as the original Mel Gibson ones...
Hillary does drive a hard bargain though !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-09-29 15:01:44
Little did you know that this image is actually a spoiler for the upcoming Democrat debate.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:04:02
Doesn't matter what Pleebo posts, gotta *** about it. Even without reading it. Oh, I did read it. I was curious as to why Missouri would rule over all Planned Parenthood clinics across the nation, as Pleebo's title clearly implied such activity, along with his "in depth analysis" sentence to go along with it.
Since:
Personally, I take the complete lack of evidence in these cases as proof of their guilt.
Signifies that all clinics are absolved from guilt, even though the investigation was only for Missouri only (but you wouldn't have realized it unless you actually read the article, which most people generally do not, as obvious of the people who gave that post a [+])
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:04:35
Side bar related to Hillary (not really but *** it) I'm not digging the new Mad Max as much as the original Mel Gibson ones...
Hillary does drive a hard bargain though !
Why is she following Mel Gibson around?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-09-29 15:07:27
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-09-29 15:08:02
Condescension requires actually being correct about something.
Then why are you so condescending?
It's been my experience that condescention goes hand in hand with narcissism.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:08:58
Congratulations Pleebo, you just finally made little sense! Your best yet!
Good job! Strive for half sense next time, we know you can do it!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:13:26
I would retort, but we all know you can't handle criticism Spicy.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-09-29 15:14:51
dude it was a joke. just because you read it wrong doesn't mean everyone else did
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-09-29 15:26:30
Whelp, I'm outtie.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:27:19
Don't let the boot kick you on the way out......too late it seems.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:38:04
Oh, I did read it. I was curious as to why Missouri would rule over all Planned Parenthood clinics across the nation, as Pleebo's title clearly implied such activity
Quote: Missouri finds no wrongdoing in its Planned Parenthood investigation
So um, where does it mention the whole country? Stop being silly. So, are you saying that Planned Parenthood only exists in one state? Are you saying that the link title and the 1-sentence analysis said anything about not finding any faults in the Missouri-located clinics only?
Care to point it out?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 15:53:43
So, are you saying that Planned Parenthood only exists in one state? Are you saying that the link title and the 1-sentence analysis said anything about not finding any faults in the Missouri-located clinics only?
Care to point it out?
That's going full retard, the title mentions Missouri, the article talks about Missouri and the "in depth analysis" is not an analysis?
Personally = Opinion. So, you couldn't find anything, got it.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-09-29 16:00:17
It's the former.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-09-29 16:02:50
You read the link wrong, you read the joke wrong, you read the article wrong...
the text to link was a straight copy pasta of the page name
Missouri finds no wrongdoing in it's Planned Parenthood investigation
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-29 16:08:09
Let me put that in perspective
California Kindergartner saved from having to go to a Christian private school by having 2 mothers, should count blessings
(Title really is: "Calif. Kindergartener Kicked Out of Christian School for Having 2 Moms" but I think mine is more accurate)
So are you saying California is ruling over all kindergarden christian private schools across the nation?
That doesn't make any sense. Try harder next time?
Also note that one post had the full article posted, while the other one did not, but had a synopsis of 1 sentence which was pretty much a pointless overview over the entire national system.
Keep white-knighting Pleebo, k?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-09-29 18:39:49
Keep white-knighting Pleebo, k?
no.
I'll help you instead. here are some reasonable arguments.
Irrelevancy- Missouri wasn't one of the states the filming took place
Corruption - Missouri conducted the investigation on itself
Rush to judgement - There is no way a thorough investigation could have taken place in that amount o f time
By fonewear 2015-09-29 18:47:07
Whelp, I'm outtie.
I have a better wrestling thing:
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By fonewear 2015-09-29 18:55:37
Little did you know that this image is actually a spoiler for the upcoming Democrat debate.
That guy in the movie made me laugh every time !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-09-29 19:23:00
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By fonewear 2015-09-29 19:43:51
At first when I was watching I thought they are joking right this guy playing a flaming guitar...then they kept going back to it and I was like *** it this movie is great !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-09-30 10:27:16
Super PAC Contributions Can Be Considered Bribes: Judge
A federal judge confirms what you already knew.
Huff Po
Quote: WASHINGTON -- A district court judge on Monday dismissed four corruption charges against Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and his donor Salomon Melgen, but denied motions to toss out other charges including, notably, the senator’s solicitation of contributions for a super PAC.
Lawyers for the senator had asked the court to dismiss charges related to Menendez’s solicitation of $700,000 from Melgen for Senate Majority PAC, a super PAC run by former aides to Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that made independent expenditures to support Menendez’s 2012 reelection.
The basis for dismissal offered by Menendez’s lawyers were the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United and 2013 McCutcheon decisions. Those two cases redefined corruption as only explicit bribery, excluding influence and access. The senator’s lawyers argued that this redefinition of corruption and Citizens United’s declaration that independent expenditures “do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption” provided freedom of speech protections for all “efforts to influence and obtain access to elected officials,” including any campaign contribution.
Judge William Walls disagreed, ruling that the charges related to the super PAC contributions made by a corporation run by Melgen and solicited by Menendez would stand. In his opinion, Walls writes that “the Constitution does not protect an attempt to influence a public official’s acts through improper means.” (Read Walls' decision here.)
While Citizens United may state that independent expenditures cannot lead to corruption, bribery statutes view the super PAC contributions made and their value in different, subjective terms.
“Notwithstanding the statement in Citizens United that independent expenditures have no actual value to candidates, a jury could find that Defendant Menendez placed value, albeit subjective, on the earmarked donations given to Majority PAC by Melgen,” Walls writes.
He goes to write, “Even if contributions to Majority PAC had no objective value to Menendez, they unquestionably had value to Majority PAC as an entity, and [the federal bribery statute] criminalizes corruptly seeking anything of value, even for another person or entity, in return for being influenced in the performance of an official act.”
So, does a judge ruling that corporate contributions to a supposedly independent group can be a corrupting bribe undermine the Supreme Court’s assertion in Citizens United that independent expenditures cannot corrupt?
Rick Hasen, election law professor at University of California, Irvine and proprietor of the Election Law Blog, said the “super PAC issue in this context is a red herring.”
Hasen raises the question of “whether it was possible to reconcile the idea from Citizens United that independent spending cannot corrupt with the concept that an agreement with a candidate to make a contribution to a super PAC can be a bribe.”
“They are reconcilable,” he said. “One can believe both things without contradiction.”
As Walls notes in his ruling, prior cases involving former Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) and former Gov. Don Siegelman (D-Ala.) held that a bribe can be solicited for a third party -- in Menendez’s case, a super PAC. Citizens United did not change this aspect of the court’s interpretation of bribery.
However, Walls' decision in the Menendez case may very well reveal that the Supreme Court was “either naive or disingenuous” in its Citizens United ruling, according to Paul Ryan, senior counsel for the Campaign Legal Center, a nonprofit that supports campaign finance reform.
“Judge Walls stated the obvious,” Ryan said. “This is something we’ve all known for years. It was predictable that when super PACs were created in 2010 that contributions could lead to corruption.”
Ryan sees a “silver lining” in the Menendez case and other possible future corruption cases involving contributions to super PACs and other supposedly independent groups: that they could lead the court to reassess its decision.
In its Citizens United decision, the court majority notably dismissed the evidentiary record of corruption and the appearance of corruption fostered by the “soft money” system of unlimited contributions to political parties because it did not provide examples of the quid pro quo bribery that the court now views as the only definition of corruption.
But, the decision did state, “If elected officials succumb to improper influences from independent expenditures; if they surrender their best judgment; and if they put expediency before principle, then surely there is cause for concern.”
“Perhaps with an evidentiary record in a case down the road the court could decide that elected officials could succumb to independent expenditures,” Ryan said.
In this view, cases like Menendez’s could provide the legal building blocks that any potential reversal of the Citizens United decision to come from a future Supreme Court. /dance
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-30 10:32:14
You are happy that a district court judge denies to toss out contributions from a Super PAC?
Man, you are stretching this to tie into a possible reversal beyond the breaking point. Like I said before, all fluff, no substance.
By fonewear 2015-09-30 11:06:38
TLDR: We are sexist and we should feel bad !
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-arent-we-inspired-by-hillary-clinton?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women
It was an unseasonably warm night in Chicago. On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, nearly a quarter of a million people—young and old, men and women of almost every racial and ethnic background—streamed into Grant Park. The crowd was peaceful and somewhat subdued, filled with a jittery anticipation about how the night would likely unfold. Shortly after 10 P.M. Central Standard Time, television networks announced that Barack Obama had been elected the forty-fourth President of the United States. For a few seconds, the crowd stood still, in a stunned silence. Then, the crowd let out a collective and euphoric scream. There was joy, relief, and disbelief. Tears flowed freely, strangers hugged for several minutes, others knelt and prayed. Senator John McCain’s concession speech put Obama’s election into its historic context by reminding Americans that just a century ago President Theodore Roosevelt had been vilified for inviting Booker T. Washington to dine at the White House. Obama’s victory speech took the high-spirited crowd even higher: “If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.” I called my cousin, who was too filled with emotion and too mystified to complete her thought: “This country . . . This country . . . This country . . . ” she said quietly, as her voice trailed off.
If Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination and the national election, can we expect the same gathering of crowds and the same emotional outpouring? Would the historic election of the first woman President evoke a similar thrill and sense of wonderment at the leaps that this country is capable of making?
Probably not. But why not? Is the election of a black man more revolutionary than the election of a white woman? Of course, one cannot compare the moment of an election victory of one candidate to a moment during another candidate’s campaign, a year before the election. And much of the excitement about Obama derived from the dissatisfaction with the President he was replacing. But the question remains: what’s behind the shortfall of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton?
There are myriad reasons, and Clinton, of course, is not remotely as inspiring a speaker or campaigner as Obama. But another obvious explanation is the persistent problem of gender bias in American culture. Perhaps the sexism—in both overtly hostile and less visible but still insidious ways—has helped stoke the fires of animosity towards Clinton while, at the same time, creating an almost impossible standard for her. Unlike her male opponents, Clinton has to be far more careful and measured in what she says and does. To be free from a strict choreography of words and actions is a form of male privilege that Hillary Clinton cannot access.
Authenticity has been a keyword during this election season. And our culture, suffused with sexism, plays the role of the arbiter of a candidate’s authenticity. Clinton must tread lightly: she cannot appear too strong without risking her likability ratings; she cannot appear too vulnerable without her credibility suffering. Herein lies Clinton’s dilemma. The Clinton campaign declared recently that Hillary would show more of what the New York Times called “humor and heart,” so she learned a popular dance on “The Ellen DeGeneres Show” and appeared on “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon.” Clinton may “play the Granny card” to appear less ambitious and more friendly and family-focussed. It is hard to imagine that a man would have to do the same.
On a more visceral level, some Americans still wince at the idea of a woman in the Oval Office. When it comes to sexism in American culture, very little has changed since the 2008 election. Indeed, things may have gotten worse. Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump has continued to thrive after making unseemly comments about Fox News host Megyn Kelly and his opponent Carly Fiorina. The conservative political blog RedState maligned Clinton as proof that “even a homely woman can sleep her way into power.” Bill Maher’s suggestions for infusing some spirit into Clinton’s “joyless” campaign were not as vicious, but they were belittling nonetheless: “See if Taylor Swift has room in her girl gang for you. . . . Lick a donut with Ariana Grande. . . . Start a Twitter war with Katy Perry and then delete your tweets.” Senator Bernie Sanders, Clinton’s opponent, summed it up: “I don’t know that a man would be treated the same way that Hillary is.” He added, “Some of it is sexist.”
Clinton, who is regularly ribbed for her signature pants suits, has tried to defuse another issue that hounds her—her age. Recall that in 2007, when Hillary had just turned sixty, Matt Drudge printed an A.P. photo of Clinton looking fatigued, and Rush Limbaugh asked his audience, “Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?” On Tuesday, RedState ran a piece titled simply, “Hillary: sick, elderly crook.” Degrading comments about Clinton’s age represent the most unadulterated form of sexism levelled against her. In a culture obsessed with youth, fresh-faced femininity is valued while “older” women (who may be as young as fifty) are made to feel invisible. Tira Harpaz, writing for the blog Feministing, quipped that women “have a sell by date and after that we’re pretty disposable.” In an attempt to get out ahead of the age issue, Hillary joked that she will not go gray in office as most male Presidents do, since she has been coloring her hair for years. Male candidates need not worry about coloring their hair or “growing old gracefully.”(Jeffrey Frank wrote about this today, in the context of Dwight Eisenhower’s reëlection.)
Some of the concerns about Clinton are very personal, but even these have an element of sexism in them. Many Americans, for example, feel a pointed disaffection for her. She faces what pundits call a likability problem. Voters perceive her as competent and hardworking, but not warm. A recent series of psychology studies by Princeton professor Susan Fiske showed that women who present traditionally feminine traits (stay-at-home moms, for example) are viewed as warm, but not competent, and are treated dismissively. Women considered less traditionally feminine (including lesbians, athletes, feminists, and working women) are not thought of as warm, but are perceived to be competent, and face a more antagonistic form of sexism. Women, unlike men, are rarely perceived as warm and competent, which, as Fiske explains, puts them in a “catch-22 situation.”
So what should Hillary do? This Sunday, on “Face the Nation,” she was asked to offer three words describing herself. She responded, “I mean, look, I am a real person with all the pluses and minuses that go along with being that. And I’ve been in the public eye for so long that I think, you know, it’s like the feature that you see in some magazines sometimes, ‘Real people actually go shopping,’ you know?” She was mocked, but maybe she shouldn’t have been. Perhaps the “real” Hillary Clinton is the woman who said, in a “60 Minutes” interview in 1992, when Gennifer Flowers alleged that she had had a romantic relationship with Bill Clinton, “I’m not sitting here like some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette.” Perhaps the “authentic” Hillary Clinton is also the woman who famously snapped, “I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was fulfill my profession.” And maybe the “real” Hillary Clinton also tears up when she talks about her mother’s difficult childhood, her grief over her mother’s death, and her longing to have her mother by her side now. Why can’t she be all those things?
And why can’t we be inspired by her? Clinton famously declared “human rights are women’s rights and women’s rights are human rights” when she spoke at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, in Beijing, in 1995. In 1997, as First Lady, she worked with Republicans and Democrats to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides health care to more than eight million children and has reduced the number of uninsured children by half. After September 11th, as a New York senator, Clinton helped to secure funding to track the health of first responders, and she has worked to expand health benefits for members of the National Guard, the Reserves, and their families. As Secretary of State, she helped open the United States’ relations with Cuba and negotiate sanctions against Iran. She also oversaw the diplomatic response to the Arab Spring. Clinton has championed children’s causes since she was the First Lady of Arkansas, and she has a long history with the Children’s Defense Fund.
Our culture is stubborn; it changes at a glacial pace. If we look at Hillary Clinton from another angle, the enthusiasm gap is less remarkable than we thought. Perhaps it is the expected response to a complex woman who has a long and tangled history in politics. Perhaps the ambivalence toward Hillary Clinton is evidence that we still have a long way to go before we openly accept a woman who spills over the strict parameters and rigid boundaries that our culture constructs. If Hillary Clinton wins, she will become the first woman President, and her victory will be a transformative moment in our nation’s history. There will be tears, hugs, and prayers.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-09-30 12:54:56
The first female president I want to vote for isn't going to constantly play the victim card. A true disappointment Im having with Fiorina.
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