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Random Politics & Religion #00
Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Yeah because the government is only the largest source of economic incentives... He got the second half right too. You know why? Because they profit off of people. Businesses profit off of people, yes. The ones that don't are called "bankrupt". Guess who else profits off of people? The government.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Yeah because the government is only the largest source of economic incentives... He got the second half right too. You know why? Because they profit off of people. Businesses profit off of people, yes. The ones that don't are called "bankrupt". Guess who else profits off of people? The government. Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. Jassik said: » If the government isn't an option and regulation isn't an option Please note that most sensible people aren't against regulations themselves, they are against pointless regulations, or regulations-for-regulation's sake. Such as Dodd-Frank. The government is supposed to protect the country in all aspects, not rule over them all. Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Yeah because the government is only the largest source of economic incentives... He got the second half right too. You know why? Because they profit off of people. Businesses profit off of people, yes. The ones that don't are called "bankrupt". Guess who else profits off of people? The government. Not really. It is more the house we pay for. Paying taxes that the government profits off of gives me a military, social services, roads, a constitution, etc. I don't need to tell you this, but sure spin it to suit your own antigovernment agenda if you want. Because clearly profiting off of peoples health which is creating part of the issue with health insurance in this country in the first place is exactly like the government taxing and profiting off of us. You know who loses in the end when their health is a game of profit, right? Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » If the government isn't an option and regulation isn't an option Please note that most sensible people aren't against regulations themselves, they are against pointless regulations, or regulations-for-regulation's sake. Such as Dodd-Frank. The government is supposed to protect the country in all aspects, not rule over them all. Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. There's no way you don't understand the difference. If you can tie your shoes, you know the difference between citizens owning the government and a person owning a company. Don't mind me, I'm just making conservatives squirm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-comes-out-against-keystone-xl_5601b962e4b08820d91a8f01?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Quote: "For me, we need to be transitioning from fossil fuels," she said, but added that it will "take time" to transition to renewable energy. "That's why I led with my two big proposals: I want to see us in my first term install a half a billion solar panels, and in my second term have enough clean power to run all the homes in America," she said. Hillary Clinton already planning out her second term. Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » If the government isn't an option and regulation isn't an option Please note that most sensible people aren't against regulations themselves, they are against pointless regulations, or regulations-for-regulation's sake. Such as Dodd-Frank. The government is supposed to protect the country in all aspects, not rule over them all. Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. There's no way you don't understand the difference. If you can tie your shoes, you know the difference between citizens owning the government and a person owning a company. The government is there to (supposedly) provide services and protection for the people, but no way or shape does a person, or a group of people, have any control over it. That is the definition of ownership. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » If the government isn't an option and regulation isn't an option Please note that most sensible people aren't against regulations themselves, they are against pointless regulations, or regulations-for-regulation's sake. Such as Dodd-Frank. The government is supposed to protect the country in all aspects, not rule over them all. Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. There's no way you don't understand the difference. If you can tie your shoes, you know the difference between citizens owning the government and a person owning a company. The government is there to (supposedly) provide services and protection for the people, but no way or shape does a person, or a group of people, have any control over it. That is the definition of ownership. So voting isn't a thing... Got it. Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Jassik said: » If the government isn't an option and regulation isn't an option Please note that most sensible people aren't against regulations themselves, they are against pointless regulations, or regulations-for-regulation's sake. Such as Dodd-Frank. The government is supposed to protect the country in all aspects, not rule over them all. Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense. There's no way you don't understand the difference. If you can tie your shoes, you know the difference between citizens owning the government and a person owning a company. The government is there to (supposedly) provide services and protection for the people, but no way or shape does a person, or a group of people, have any control over it. That is the definition of ownership. So voting isn't a thing... Got it. I know ownership is foreign to you, as you have to have money first to own anything, but it's not a hard concept to grasp. Also, what happened to your "Catch-all" rule thing? I'm surprised you haven't blindly reported every single one of my post because you Personal insults aside.
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Point the insult then.
Is it because I said he doesn't have any money to buy anything, or is it that I'm surprised he hasn't blindly report my posts because he Asura.Kingnobody said: » Point the insult then. Is it because I said he doesn't have any money to buy anything, or is it that I'm surprised he hasn't blindly report my posts because he Lol...
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Bismarck.Ihina said: » Don't mind me, I'm just making conservatives squirm You give yourself way too much credit. I'm more likely to laugh at the sinking ship planning her second term than squirm.
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Jassik said: » So voting isn't a thing... Got it. We're not a true democracy, so our "ownership" of the government isn't exactly as much in the hands of the voters as you seem to imply.
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Shhh Ravael, that's a personal insult there!
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Just got an Xbox one already regretting it !
Blah blah blah Trump is destroying America also !
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fonewear said: » Just got an Xbox one already regretting it ! Blah blah blah Trump is destroying America also ! Get a PS4 too! Mumble mumble gerrymandering.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jassik said: » So voting isn't a thing... Got it. We're not a true democracy, so our "ownership" of the government isn't exactly as much in the hands of the voters as you seem to imply. We are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy, true. But, that is still democracy, and our elected representatives are charged with legislating as their constituency demands. That's no different in terms of ownership than the executives of a publicly traded company. What makes the government different is that every citizen has a share of it.
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Jassik said: » Eh, the people OWN the government, at the very least in an abstract sense.... I wan to stop you for a moment because THIS is the government in America. She is at the BMV making you wait four hours for your drivers licence. She is at the tax office accessing the tax on your property She is at the IRS picking you for an audit because she thinks you name looks funny and she is denying you a marriage licence because she is a bigot. But she is the government you begged for, she is our government you thought would solve our problems, she is the reason for it's incompetence and the answer to why things can never get done. I know you want european socialism in the usa but it will never work here because there aren't any europeans left here...they all went back home OUR government workers are all this woman and thirty million walmart shopping, kardasian watching, american public school attending, real housewives of wherever dumbfounded dipshits just like her.... she is the reason I am a repulican. thank you I didn't say I want european socialism, I'm just sick of any idea that isn't "free market" being labeled socialism/communism (lol) and immediately dismissed in favor of status quo dysfunction.
you're old enough now to learn to hate change!
dysfunction = good change = bad
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Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jassik said: » So voting isn't a thing... Got it. We're not a true democracy, so our "ownership" of the government isn't exactly as much in the hands of the voters as you seem to imply. We are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy, true. But, that is still democracy, and our elected representatives are charged with legislating as their constituency demands. That's no different in terms of ownership than the executives of a publicly traded company. What makes the government different is that every citizen has a share of it. Elected officials are supposed to do what they find best for their constituency, not necessarily what they desire/demand. At least good ones would. Bismarck.Ihina said: » Don't mind me, I'm just making conservatives squirm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-comes-out-against-keystone-xl_5601b962e4b08820d91a8f01?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Quote: "For me, we need to be transitioning from fossil fuels," she said, but added that it will "take time" to transition to renewable energy. "That's why I led with my two big proposals: I want to see us in my first term install a half a billion solar panels, and in my second term have enough clean power to run all the homes in America," she said. Hillary Clinton already planning out her second term. Would be easier to power everything with nuclear, could cut down on the insane amount of coal plants that we have in the US too.
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » you're old enough now to learn to hate change! dysfunction = good change = bad I still drive a 32 Stutz Bearcat I too hate change !  Jetackuu said: » Jassik said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Jassik said: » So voting isn't a thing... Got it. We're not a true democracy, so our "ownership" of the government isn't exactly as much in the hands of the voters as you seem to imply. We are a representative democracy, not a direct democracy, true. But, that is still democracy, and our elected representatives are charged with legislating as their constituency demands. That's no different in terms of ownership than the executives of a publicly traded company. What makes the government different is that every citizen has a share of it. Elected officials are supposed to do what they find best for their constituency, not necessarily what they desire/demand. At least good ones would. Yes and no. The reason we have representative democracy is partly because the drafters felt the general public wasn't educated enough to know what was best for them (which is still true) but also because direct democracy in such a large area in the era was nearly impossible. A critical vote could take weeks or months to tally and not all citizens could be included. Now-a-days, we're more connected to our officials than ever, and they are at the mercy of public opinion. Plus, with the prevalence of information, voters theoretically can be more informed than ever before (even if they choose not to be). While those are points, and certainly plausible I'd have to disagree. Mostly due to the reason we're a Constitutional Republic over a democracy in general anyway, and that's to protect the rights of the minority over the will of the majority.
Elected representatives have a duty to their electorate, whether they like what they do or not. Now I'm not saying that they actually pull it off, and I for the life of me can't think of the last example, but I can certainly think of examples where it should be used (or should have). Bismarck.Ihina said: » Don't mind me, I'm just making conservatives squirm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-comes-out-against-keystone-xl_5601b962e4b08820d91a8f01?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Quote: "For me, we need to be transitioning from fossil fuels," she said, but added that it will "take time" to transition to renewable energy. "That's why I led with my two big proposals: I want to see us in my first term install a half a billion solar panels, and in my second term have enough clean power to run all the homes in America," she said. Hillary Clinton already planning out her second term. An idiotic pipe dream claiming to run every home in America on clean energy in 4 years should make Democrats squirm. She should talk about colonizing Mars with Newt Gingrich, World Peace and a million dollars in every Americans' bank account while she's at it. Oh and a pet Unicorn for every child, Jetackuu said: » While those are points, and certainly plausible I'd have to disagree. Mostly due to the reason we're a Constitutional Republic over a democracy in general anyway, and that's to protect the rights of the minority over the will of the majority. Elected representatives have a duty to their electorate, whether they like what they do or not. Now I'm not saying that they actually pull it off, and I for the life of me can't think of the last example, but I can certainly think of examples where it should be used (or should have). Constitutional republic and representative democracy aren't mutually exclusive. ^_^ |
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