Random Politics & Religion #00

If I had kids I'd care about the future of education but I don't so there ya go !

you're the prime example of why we should all be worried about the decaying state of education in america.

Don't worry Hillary has a plan ! I don't know what it is but I'm sure it is good.

I'm sure America is the only country in the world with a decaying state of education...

Because, at least for the common core maths, people are confusing what with how.
As in, they don't specify a method for teaching how to teach a method to solve a problem, but require that the students learn a particular method for solving a problem.

Rather than having a goal for solving a problem, and leaving it to the teacher to present different methods, based on the student's affinity for a particular method.

When you solve the American education system will someone please notify me. I'd love to see the solution !

Sterilize everyone. It becomes a non-issue in approximately 18 years.

First solution I've read that makes sense !

Ban reality TV, and show your work.

I've made it clear more than once that curriculum should be separated from legislation and determined by a national council of educators and academics. We already do this for post-compulsory education regionally. Standardizing curriculum based on what educators and academics agree upon and leaving the DoE and local statehouses to determine funding is one way to distance education from politics and patch some of the cracks in our current system.

If you choose to continue to misinterpret my words, that is on you.

Outsource teaching to Central America, Mexico and the Phillipines.

It works for everything else.

Ban reality TV might as well ban TV in general then !

They have schools in Mexico that is news to me !

Spoken like someone who was asleep during history class. Ironic considering you now want to educate us on how to fix education.

Are you sure you're not a politician?

I have a coworker who's son was being taught common core. From the parent-teacher conferences he had to attend about his child's learning problems and what he showed me what common core techniques were being taught i was deeply disappointed and confused as to the teaching style.

So for example.




In other problems I was explained to, they used blocks to represent units/numbers. And the kids would have to draw it out on paper.
I can understand for a visualization of large numbers and using blocks but... its a huge time waster.
Can you imagine you're given a problem and asked to find out what 23+58 is by drawing block 1x1 blocks?
[][][][][][]
[][][][][][]
[][][][][][] = 20
[][][][][][]

[][][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][][] = 50
[][][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][][]

[][][] = 3
[][][][][][][][] = 8

Then I gotta add the 20 blocks to the 50 blocks... and draw another picture... and you get the idea...

I'm an American you are going to have to dumb this down so I can understand it !

Put it between two all-pink slime patties, slather it in the tears of third world nations and off-brand mayonnaise. Then deep fry it in freedom.

Adding 8 plus 5 shouldn't take as long as it did in the video...

Why would they implement a method to make adding one digit numbers that complex for a child...

They way math will be done in the future is of course:

Google 8 plus 5 =

That's one of the biggest problems with common core. It's supposed to be a standard, not a methodology. The Math section is problematic, to say the least. What should be the focus is not the method for figuring out 8+5, as there are many different methods that work better for some people or situations, but when that math is taught.

There's no good reason to be teaching multiplication tables in 1st grade in one district and 3rd in another or require world history in one district and only US in another.

Blocks(objects) are a pretty good way of visualizing numbers (comparative scaling). It's a pretty inefficient way of calculating numbers (when drawing on paper).
I understand what is *trying* to be accomplished by visualizing blocks, but at a minimum you would want to scale the blocks to reduce the sheer amount of drawing (e.g. 10, 5, 1).

Or just give them a goddamn abacus, since that is what you are trying to convey.

There we go. Teach 'em to use a slide rule again!

Once you figure it out, you're golden.

Right? I understand that part though but when teachers are asking the students to work the problem in a particular method or its wrong and they're forced to basically draw blocks on paper its a huge waste of time. There's schools in my area that are having to reteach 6th graders multiplication tables and stuff because elementary schools seem to want to dumb down their students so they do worse on the state tests so they can get additional funding

Ok, I hate the way our educational system is set-up in the US. I had a different upbringing than, I think, many in this thread have had. The non-constant standards throughout the US are beyond annoying for those who have gone to multiple schools.

We are a country that encourages people to move for work (beyond just military families) whether that is across the same state (moving between cities or counties) or across state lines.

However, with this encouraging of moving (which I agree with for a variety of reasons and opportunities) this means parents are changing schools with their children. We need some baseline for each grade. Not a step-by-step per-year requirement, but something where everyone is on the same page (e.g. Multiplication and division taught in second grade in every school).

Some of my experiences:
On this forum we've encountered a variety of differences in education. Off the top if my head:
-People not knowing France was an ally of the US during the American Revolution
-Horrible grammar and spelling from native speakers

Having a baseline would be helpful, and from what I have seen of Core, that is not the right baseline. We also need to stay with something for longer than an election cycle.

People who don't have children this still affects you. Who is going to work for you, buy your goods/services, sell you goods/services, help increase your quality of life as you age (scientific, medical, technological breakthroughs) if the generations growing up behind you fall behind or cannot get work because they don't have the qualifications?

Who is going to sell me goods or services I'll tell you who robots !

The robots are going to make you a good to be serviced...

Robots built by China?

Don't worry someone has to supervisor the robots. There will still be jobs in the future !

*** let's just move to China and be done with it !