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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-12 11:13:43
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fonewear said: »
"I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work."
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By fonewear 2015-05-12 11:16:09
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Mr Lisa Goes to Washington !



Homer: What does the "I" stand for?

Tour Guide: Important.

Homer: Ah. And the "V"?

Tour Guide: Very.

Homer: One more question...

Tour Guide: Person.

Homer: I see. What does the "I" stand for again?

Nelson Muntz: So burn the flag if you must, but before you do, you better burn a few other things! You better burn your shirt and your pants! Be sure to burn your TV and car! Oh yes, and don't forget to burn your house! Because none of those things could exist without six white stripes, seven red stripes, and a hell of a lot of stars!

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By fonewear 2015-05-12 11:20:26
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By fonewear 2015-05-12 11:24:14
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Found a perfect summary of P and R:

Lady: Are you a professional writer?
Homer: mm, mm... (in a 'no' kinda way)
Lady: Are you interested in politics and government?
Homer: mmmm...(in a 'i dunno' kinda way)
Lady: Are you interested in anything?
Homer: mmmm.. (same as above)
Lady: Could you touch your nose for me?
(Homer twists and bends but doesn't touch his nose)
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-05-12 11:49:36
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AOL, apparently owns Huff Post. Didn't know that.

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Verizon Communications Inc (VZ.N) said on Tuesday it will buy AOL Inc (AOL.N) for $4.4 billion, turning the biggest U.S. wireless carrier into a leading provider of content and video for the web and mobile phones.

The $50-per-share offer represents a premium of 17.4 percent to AOL's Monday close. AOL and its properties, including the Huffington Post, TechCrunch and Engadget websites, would become a Verizon subsidiary, with AOL Chief Executive Officer Tim Armstrong staying in his role.

Armstrong, who has been trying to build up AOL's expertise in mobile advertising technology, sees mobile representing 80 percent of media consumption in coming years.

"If we are going to lead, we need to lead in mobile," Armstrong said in a memo to employees on Tuesday.

Verizon has over 100 million mobile consumers, content deals with the likes of the National Football League and "a meaningful strategy" in mobile video, Armstrong said.

For Wall Street, the deal is about the technology. "AOL's ad-tech offering has been driving its growth for some time now as the Internet business has faded," Dan Ridsdale, an analyst at Edison Investment Research, wrote in a note to clients. "This acquisition is aimed at enabling Verizon to maximize its revenues from mobile video.”

Verizon, which last year bought the assets of OnCue, Intel's (INTC.O) Internet-based TV platform, has been building a video streaming product as it faces the wide availability of voice and data services.

AOL shares jumped nearly 19 percent to $50.62, while Dow Jones industrials component Verizon was down 0.7 percent at $49.46.

Armstrong told Reuters talks between Verizon and AOL started last year. He met with Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam last July about how to further their partnership.

Armstrong said he has a multiyear commitment to stay with Verizon and run AOL as a separate division but declined to give further details.

"GETTING A HODGEPODGE"

The proposed acquisition was the latest example of how established telecommunications companies look to make deals to jump-start growth as mobile phone expansion slows. AT&T Inc (T.N), the second biggest U.S. telecom company, is also betting on video, agreeing to buy No. 1 U.S. satellite TV provider DirecTV (DTV.O), for $48.5 billion. The deal is pending.

Advertising has become a major revenue stream for AOL, helped by the acquisition of automated advertising platforms such as Adap.tv.

Demand for the real-time bidding platform that helps advertisers place video and display ads helped AOL beat sales and profit forecasts in its most recent quarterly report.

For AOL, the deal caps a years-long period of reinvention into one of the most successful advertising technology companies.

At the peak of the dot-com boom, AOL, whose dial-up Internet service once counted tens of millions of subscribers, used its elevated stock price to buy movie, television and publishing conglomerate Time Warner Inc (TWX.N) in one of the most disastrous corporate mergers in history.

After being spun off from Time Warner in 2009, AOL shares returned to the New York Stock Exchange, opening at $27 in November 2009.

The $50-per-share bid by Verizon values AOL below its high of $53.28 in January 2014. Shares have fallen in three of the last five quarters but have gained as much as 56 percent from last year's low of $32.31, leading some analysts to question whether Verizon was overpaying.

"There’s the question of whether there is truly an advantage in owning all of this themselves," said Craig Moffett of media research firm MoffettNathanson. "They are paying a premium to own rather than rent, and they are getting a hodgepodge of ancillary assets that may be as much a distraction as a benefit."

AOL has held talks to spin off Huffington Post as part of the Verizon deal, potentially valuing the news and commentary website at $1 billion, Re/code, the technology news website, reported Tuesday, citing sources.

Verizon was showing signs of desperation as its core wireless business comes under pressure, Macquarie Capital analysts wrote in a note. It will need to buy telecommunications spectrum aggressively to accommodate rising mobile video traffic.

"We feel that Verizon paid a hefty price ... for what we believe to be an unproven programmatic ad-tech platform in the nascent video ad-tech space," they said.

Verizon said it expects the deal, which includes about $300 million in AOL debt, to close this summer.

LionTree Advisors, Weil Gotshal & Manges and Guggenheim Partners advised Verizon. AOL's advisers were Allen & Co Llc and Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz.

(Reporting by Devika Krishna Kumar and Abhirup Roy in Bengaluru, Jennifer Saba and Rodrigo Campos in New York; Writing by Nick Zieminski; Editing by Savio D'Souza, Saumyadeb Chakrabarty, Don Sebastian and Jeffrey Benkoe)
Tim Armstrong, Chairman and CEO of AOL Inc., speaks during an interview with Fox Business Channel in New York December 3, 2014.
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Verizon to buy AOL in $4.4 billion mobile video push
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-12 12:44:44
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lol AOL is still around!?



I should probably check my mail...it's been about /looks at watch~less arm

forever
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-12 13:47:52
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
lol AOL is still around!?



I should probably check my mail...it's been about /looks at watch~less arm

forever

I've always been amazed how long AOL has stuck around and remained relevant doing things other than just providing crappy dial-up.
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By fonewear 2015-05-12 14:27:04
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AOL is the height of 90's nostalgia !

Holy ***electronic mail ! What a world we live in !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-12 14:53:59
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Oh ***, floppies!

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By fonewear 2015-05-12 14:57:06
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Oh ***, floppies!


Use your floppy properly !
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-12 15:11:28
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who remembers using this in school?



anyone know that they still make trackballs?

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By fonewear 2015-05-12 15:16:14
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I remember playing Oregon Trail !
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-05-12 15:24:07
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I grew up with a Commodore 64.

It might be a joke compared to modern computers, but I sure do miss this:

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By Jetackuu 2015-05-12 15:29:22
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fonewear said: »
I remember playing Oregon Trail !

Did you die from dysentery?
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-12 15:29:56
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They still make trackballs, yes. I know a few doctors I work with prefer them, on because of arm problems, one just by preference.
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-12 15:37:04
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They still make trackballs, yes. I know a few doctors I work with prefer them, on because of arm problems, one just by preference.
I can use it, I definitely don't prefer it.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-05-12 15:37:43
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Jetackuu said: »
fonewear said: »
I remember playing Oregon Trail !

Did you die from dysentery?



Every. Time.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-12 16:16:20
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I know people who had stacks like that. Two computer programmers who roomed together, one worked for my school, and I did work for the other on apartments he owned.

Their place was 90s nerd heaven. ALL the Star Trek to that point - movies, series, cartoons - ALL ON VHS!
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By fonewear 2015-05-13 09:05:20
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In feminism news: This woman has no sense of humor

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-13 13:26:11
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White House wastes no time at all capitalizing a tragic event and tries to blame Republicans on causing it.

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The White House criticized Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives for a plan that would cut grants to Amtrak, part of a transportation funding bill that lawmakers were set to consider on Wednesday in the wake of an Amtrak derailment.

The House spending bill for the coming fiscal year would cut Amtrak grants by $252 million from current levels, said Shaun Donovan, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget.

"You're looking at more than a 15 percent cut in investments in Amtrak," Donovan told reporters on a conference all, noting Obama had proposed a boost to Amtrak funding to $2.45 billion, up from current levels of $1.4 billion.

Donovan also said the federal investigation into the cause of the derailment is ongoing and cannot be linked to funding levels.[/url]
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-13 13:35:43
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Bringing this discussion from a different thread so not to derail it further

Ramyrez said: »
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but I do want to say that I would love to see from you a company that acquired another company, fired all of that company's employees and hired their own to replace them.

Not always replacing, just acquiring and liquidating old staff in some cases. Though replacing happens at times too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did GameStop not do this to EB?
Acquiring/liquidating old staff in positions that became redundant (aka why would you need 2 full fledged accounting teams when 1 will do? Or why would you need 2 marketing teams when 1 will do?) But for the stores, why would they fire the staff on hand when all they have to do is buy the uniforms (that they will need to do anyway)?

What you are alluding to doesn't make sense businesswise. Mergers do not fire the old staff and replace it with the new, they consolidate the staff together and get rid of the excess baggage. Usually those who are under-performers and cannot deal with the new responsibilities. Which is one of the great things about businesses, and how they are so successful, by being efficient and getting the best people available on the job.

Also, there were no reported layoffs from the merger (doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it didn't happen in a major scale, just trimming off dead-weight and redundant positions).

Meh. Not exactly as you're making it sound. Suffice to say what you're calling "trimming excess and redundancies" is, in fact, downsizing staff and making others do more work for no increased pay, and in some cases for reduced pay.

But too far off topic in this already contentious thread, so I'll stop this line of discussion I guess.

I would love for you to show evidence of such practices. And guess what, evidence would be available (if it is true) in financial statements because of SOX Act of 2002. So, if you think a company is doing this, go to the annual report and look at their merger practices section and show it to us there. They are required by law to disclose such information if it were to happen. Doesn't mean that doing that is illegal, but not disclosing it is.

I'm talking about the reducing pay from the merger part.

Also, you are projecting your negativity on companies by creating something that doesn't happen. You can prove me wrong by showing us a merger where the number of people from the acquisition company and the number of people after the acquisition takes place are equal and/or less than before. Also required by SOX Act to be disclosed.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-13 13:52:02
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On Thursday, October 6, 2005 shareholders from EB Games and GameStop agreed to a $1.44 billion takeover deal. The deal offered $38.15 in cash as well as approximately ¾ of a share of GameStop stock for every 1 share of EB Games stock. This offer was a 34.2% premium on the $41.12 per share closing price of EB Games stock. GameStop decided to close EB Games' newly constructed distribution center in Sadsbury, PA, their call center in Las Vegas, NV, and their International Headquarters in West Chester, PA, eliminating more than 800 jobs. Only 65 former EB Games employees were offered jobs at GameStop's headquarters in Grapevine, TX.

EB Games

Regarding job cutting.

As for the pay cuts, I'm not sure where to start with that. Standard Google search brings up nothing of this report you refer to, really. GameStops wages -- at the time -- were lower than EB's. I'm not sure if it was required for them to report it if it wasn't a "cut" and just an "adjustment" to where they'd fit on GameStop's payscale?

Edit: but ***, what does any of this matter to discuss? All it's going to end up being is people telling me I'm using "too many feels" because I believe in treating employees like human beings, not resources to be bought, sold, or traded at the whim of investors or executives. As long as businesses do this, I'm going to view them in a negative light, and no amount of so-called "reason" is going to change my view on this. Because all "reason" or "logic" are when applied to this discussion are excuses to check your guilt at the door when turning people's lives on their heads.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-13 14:14:19
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Ramyrez said: »
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On Thursday, October 6, 2005 shareholders from EB Games and GameStop agreed to a $1.44 billion takeover deal. The deal offered $38.15 in cash as well as approximately ¾ of a share of GameStop stock for every 1 share of EB Games stock. This offer was a 34.2% premium on the $41.12 per share closing price of EB Games stock. GameStop decided to close EB Games' newly constructed distribution center in Sadsbury, PA, their call center in Las Vegas, NV, and their International Headquarters in West Chester, PA, eliminating more than 800 jobs. Only 65 former EB Games employees were offered jobs at GameStop's headquarters in Grapevine, TX.

EB Games

Regarding job cutting.
Again, cutting redundant positions. They made the decision regarding distribution capabilities and international headquarters does not need to be expanded beyond what GS had. I mean, why have two head corporate offices?

Also, you do realize that most of the distribution work is handled by computers and on a per-store basis, right?

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GameStops wages -- at the time -- were lower than EB's.
Care to prove that? Mind you, we are talking about the majority of their workforce, which is the stores, not corporate. You already shown that all but 65 corporate employees were let go because of redundant positions.

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because I believe in treating employees like human beings, not resources to be bought, sold, or traded at the whim of investors or executives.
Wait, are you telling me that businesses don't treat their employees like human beings? Let me ask you this: Does your job treat you like ***all the time, and if the answer is yes, is that why you are so anti-business, because you are projecting your feelings based on your anecdotal evidence?

Because I am treated like a human being at where I work. I plan on treating all my employees, even those not working with me or for me directly or indirectly as human beings when I start my CFO gig in June. The culture of the job I'm currently am and will be in the very near future also treats people like human beings, not as tools like you seem to think we do. And I'm almost positive that most other businesses do the same thing on all levels, regardless of size. While I will admit the obvious outliers like Walmart and Target may treat their employees like ***, guess what? Not every business is like them! In fact, there are no other businesses like Walmart and like Target.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-13 14:27:24
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If you're a low level worker in retail (a large majority of the US), you're likely treated like a blowup doll. Pumped and then dumped.

Other sectors may vary. But most people when they talked about being treated like a battered wife are talking retail.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-13 14:28:11
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because I am treated like a human being at where I work. I plan on treating all my employees, even those not working with me or for me directly or indirectly as human beings when I start my CFO gig in June. The culture of the job I'm currently am and will be in the very near future also treats people like human beings, not as tools like you seem to think we do. And I'm almost positive that most other businesses do the same thing on all levels, regardless of size. While I will admit the obvious outliers like Walmart and Target may treat their employees like ***, guess what? Not every business is like them! In fact, there are no other businesses like Walmart and like Target.

Yet you're advocating that it's okay to cut "redundant positions".

Those are not "redundant positions being cut", they're human beings. If you can't afford to pay the employees of a company, then don't buy the company.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Does your job treat you like ***all the time

No, but again, you constantly accuse me of projecting when, in fact, I'm merely advocating for people worse off than me...
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-13 14:31:27
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Care to prove that? Mind you, we are talking about the majority of their workforce, which is the stores, not corporate. You already shown that all but 65 corporate employees were let go because of redundant positions.

What do you want me to say? I told you I can find no evidence of these reports of which you speak one way or the other and I don't have time to be combing the internet to prove myself on an internet forum.

There are countless reports to be found, however, from the employees themselves on all kinds of gaming sites if you look for them. GameStop paid less than EB. Everyone became a GameStop employee. Ipso Facto, they now make less, comensurate to being a GameStop employee.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-13 14:33:04
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
If you're a low level worker in retail (a large majority of the US), you're likely treated like a blowup doll. Pumped and then dumped.

Other sectors may vary. But most people when they talked about being treated like a battered wife are talking retail.

But they're just lowly retail workers, clearly they deserve to be treated like garbage by everyone. Customers, managers, corporate higher-ups.

They're not people. Clearly.
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