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Random Politics & Religion #00
 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 14:48:08
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
*** really?
Really?
I think we're done here.
You really think racial tensions would be in the same place if he wasn't in office? He isn't fanning the flames for political gain?
GTFO. What political gain would he receive when he's already run for president and won election, twice? He can't run for office a third time, two term limit for presidency, unlike all other elective offices in this country, or have you forgotten? The seeds for what we're seeing now weren't planted by Obama, but by Reagan. The day the "war on drugs" started in the 1980's, and mandatory minimum sentencing became law, turning what would've before that been considered as law abiding citizens became felons unable to be employed in gainful positions. Political gain for social unrest? More liberals in office. Because, honestly, liberals are more suited in social affairs. What better way to gain more overall power than to create your own problems?
So nothing about the War on Drugs.
Mandatory sentencing / Rockefeller drug laws.
Subsequent destruction of Central/Latin America.
The ghettoization of the 70s/80s cities and now subsequent gentrification.
Urban planning that intentionally skipped, left out or diverted around areas of minority populations.
Critical service denial with regards to home loans, jobs and neighborhood infrastructure?
Seriously? Just a lib/con argument? You're a joke. My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 14:51:22
Getting hit teaches you that violence is an appropriate response to unwanted stimulus and encourages better preparedness in hiding one's wrong-doing. It's 100% appropriate to smack the crap out of your child when you see him partaking in senseless rioting.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-30 14:56:55
My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Spoken like someone who has never had to sweat a thing in his life.
"Why do you even worry about this stuff, just work hard and everything will be fine!"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-30 14:58:16
What was my stance? Can you let the class know? It amazes me that after posting what you do you can come back with a garbage reply like this.
You posted the original article specifically noting that it was self-inflicted. Two times after that you specifically responded to other posts noting again only that it was self-inflicted. then you continues on about how the guy didn't know who was in the other container but he was sure that the other guy was inflicting damage upon himself.
Now it's "I never took a stance!" Pointing out a contradiction in "public knowledge" is not making a statement.... Cause, you know, words are hard.
This is the third time today I caught you in not understanding simple English...you really need to go back to grade school.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-30 14:58:50
I tend to fall into the Louis C.K. school of hitting your kids.
It's certainly effective.
But ultimately taking the easy way out and teaching them that hitting things is the answer to adversity.
Which -- in fact -- probably helps ignite things like, oh...I don't know...riots?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-30 14:59:52
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
*** really?
Really?
I think we're done here.
You really think racial tensions would be in the same place if he wasn't in office? He isn't fanning the flames for political gain?
GTFO. What political gain would he receive when he's already run for president and won election, twice? He can't run for office a third time, two term limit for presidency, unlike all other elective offices in this country, or have you forgotten? The seeds for what we're seeing now weren't planted by Obama, but by Reagan. The day the "war on drugs" started in the 1980's, and mandatory minimum sentencing became law, turning what would've before that been considered as law abiding citizens became felons unable to be employed in gainful positions. Political gain for social unrest? More liberals in office. Because, honestly, liberals are more suited in social affairs. What better way to gain more overall power than to create your own problems?
So nothing about the War on Drugs.
Mandatory sentencing / Rockefeller drug laws.
Subsequent destruction of Central/Latin America.
The ghettoization of the 70s/80s cities and now subsequent gentrification.
Urban planning that intentionally skipped, left out or diverted around areas of minority populations.
Critical service denial with regards to home loans, jobs and neighborhood infrastructure?
Seriously? Just a lib/con argument? You're a joke. My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Reality is a heavy weight. Some would even call it a burden.
It's why I suspect you rather talk about hypothetical timelines and wish fulfillment instead. I'm sorry some of us understand cause and effect, I really am.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:02:44
My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Spoken like someone who has never had to sweat a thing in his life.
"Why do you even worry about this stuff, just work hard and everything will be fine!"
Boy, it's like you've known me all my life. Get back to picking that cotton in my field will ya?
<cracks whip>
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:04:40
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
*** really?
Really?
I think we're done here.
You really think racial tensions would be in the same place if he wasn't in office? He isn't fanning the flames for political gain?
GTFO. What political gain would he receive when he's already run for president and won election, twice? He can't run for office a third time, two term limit for presidency, unlike all other elective offices in this country, or have you forgotten? The seeds for what we're seeing now weren't planted by Obama, but by Reagan. The day the "war on drugs" started in the 1980's, and mandatory minimum sentencing became law, turning what would've before that been considered as law abiding citizens became felons unable to be employed in gainful positions. Political gain for social unrest? More liberals in office. Because, honestly, liberals are more suited in social affairs. What better way to gain more overall power than to create your own problems?
So nothing about the War on Drugs.
Mandatory sentencing / Rockefeller drug laws.
Subsequent destruction of Central/Latin America.
The ghettoization of the 70s/80s cities and now subsequent gentrification.
Urban planning that intentionally skipped, left out or diverted around areas of minority populations.
Critical service denial with regards to home loans, jobs and neighborhood infrastructure?
Seriously? Just a lib/con argument? You're a joke. My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Reality is a heavy weight. Some would even call it a burden.
It's why I suspect you rather talk about hypothetical timelines and wish fulfillment instead. I'm sorry some of us understand cause and effect, I really am.
Keep making excuses for the way your life is. One of these times the mirage will end up being real. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Seraph.Ramyrez
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-30 15:05:55
My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Spoken like someone who has never had to sweat a thing in his life.
"Why do you even worry about this stuff, just work hard and everything will be fine!"
Boy, it's like you've known me all my life. Get back to picking that cotton in my field will ya?
<cracks whip>
Mmmhmm. Sarcastic indignancy to boot.
Keep making excuses for the way your life is. One of these times the mirage will end up being real.
Yet you substantiate my statement with your very next words.
I really hope you lose everything some day. Which may sound mean at first, but I think it will make you a better person for it, especially if you're as strong to pull yourself up by your bootstraps as you seem to think you are.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-30 15:10:34
So the War on Drugs is a mirage.
I'm making excuses for my life by making factual statements.
And a broken clock is right twice a day by stating that resources need to be spent to expect the poorest in our society to succeed.
Oh, ok.
It's like you don't want to talk about reality because you choose to live in a universe where everyone is equal because dealing with inequality is scary and inherently bad.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:10:50
My god, how on earth do you deal with all those oppressed feels?
Spoken like someone who has never had to sweat a thing in his life.
"Why do you even worry about this stuff, just work hard and everything will be fine!"
Boy, it's like you've known me all my life. Get back to picking that cotton in my field will ya?
<cracks whip>
Mmmhmm. Sarcastic indignancy to boot.
Keep making excuses for the way your life is. One of these times the mirage will end up being real.
Yet you substantiate my statement with your very next words.
I really hope you lose everything some day. Which may sound mean at first, but I think it will make you a better person for it, especially if you're as strong to pull yourself up by your bootstraps as you seem to think you are. One day I really hope you guys learn of your own potential. The biggest thing holding you down isn't your X, it's yourself.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:13:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »So the War on Drugs is a mirage.
I'm making excuses for my life by making factual statements.
And a broken clock is right twice a day by stating that resources need to be spent to expect the poorest in our society to succeed.
Oh, ok.
It's like you don't want to talk about reality because you choose to live in a universe where everyone is equal because dealing with inequality is scary and inherently bad.
We've spent trillions on the "war on poverty", more than on every war and it's a bigger failure than the war on drugs.
Make better choices, and you'll have a better life.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-30 15:14:43
One day I really hope you guys learn of your own potential. The biggest thing holding you down isn't your X, it's yourself.
It's so cute. Despite constantly being told otherwise you and others seem to think I somehow lack personal success because I have a consideration for people less fortunate.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-30 15:16:11
Make better choices, and you'll have a better life.
Mmm. Make better choices of: better parents, better schools, less abusive family, less rape, less inequality, etc.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-30 15:16:55
One day I really hope you guys learn of your own potential. The biggest thing holding you down isn't your X, it's yourself. Honest question: my own potential for what?
Your statement is so vague, it could be uttered by everyone from a commune-living hippie to a Stalinist autarch.
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-30 15:19:29
I caught you in not understand simple English Yeah... lol...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-30 15:20:42
What are the possible factors that influence the current turmoil?
Economic factors
Social factors
Race
Media influence
Police training methods
City/county/state/national laws
Drug/alcohol addiction
Education
etc.
What factor is the easiest to exploit for viewership, and therefore is pretty much what everyone is talking about?
Whitey hate Blacky
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:26:45
Make better choices, and you'll have a better life.
Mmm. Make better choices of: better parents, better schools, less abusive family, less rape, less inequality, etc.
As if one cannot become successful without them.
"less rape"? wtf?
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:28:32
One day I really hope you guys learn of your own potential. The biggest thing holding you down isn't your X, it's yourself. Honest question: my own potential for what?
Your statement is so vague, it could be uttered by everyone from a commune-living hippie to a Stalinist autarch. Potential to be successful, to be the best you can be.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-30 15:28:54
What are the possible factors that influence the current turmoil?
Economic factors
Social factors
Race
Media influence
Police training methods
City/county/state/national laws
Drug/alcohol addiction
Education
etc.
What factor is the easiest to exploit for viewership, and therefore is pretty much what everyone is talking about?
Whitey hate Blacky
Who runs the media? Who are the key decisionmakers who can affect substantive change? Who are the people who should talk about those issues and engage the oppressed populace? Who has the money and thus the power?
Right. We choose status quo over and over again. A fair choice, but lets not pretend like it isn't being made.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-30 15:32:16
Protip:
The Civil Rights movement didn't gain the traction needed to succeed until a large populace of whites became engaged and thus invested in seeing it pass. The same goes for abolition.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:32:51
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »What are the possible factors that influence the current turmoil?
Economic factors
Social factors
Race
Media influence
Police training methods
City/county/state/national laws
Drug/alcohol addiction
Education
etc.
What factor is the easiest to exploit for viewership, and therefore is pretty much what everyone is talking about?
Whitey hate Blacky
Who runs the media? Who are the key decisionmakers who can affect substantive change? Who are the people who should talk about those issues and engage the oppressed populace? Who has the money and thus the power?
Right. We choose status quo over and over again. A fair choice, but lets not pretend like it isn't being made.
Liberals run the media, democrats ru(i)n the inner cities.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-30 15:33:08
What are the possible factors that influence the current turmoil?
Economic factors
Social factors
Race
Media influence
Police training methods
City/county/state/national laws
Drug/alcohol addiction
Education
etc.
What factor is the easiest to exploit for viewership, and therefore is pretty much what everyone is talking about?
Whitey hate Blacky Only in your guys' reductionist minds is that the discussion taking place here.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-30 15:36:29
and "hands up don't shoot" totally happened!
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-30 15:37:05
Only in your guys' reductionist minds is that the discussion taking place here.
And now Pleebo accuses other people of being reductionists. H-card ahoy!
I wouldn't say that it's the only discussion taking place in this thread, thank goodness. Somehow we've managed to be slightly better than that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-30 15:39:23
Only in your guys' reductionist minds is that the discussion taking place here.
And now Pleebo accuses other people of being reductionists. H-card ahoy!
I wouldn't say that it's the only discussion taking place in this thread, thank goodness. Somehow we've managed to be slightly better than that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-30 15:49:22
So if that's not happening in this thread, why even bring it up.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-30 15:55:55
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »So if that's not happening in this thread, why even bring it up.
It is to some extent, just not to the level that I've seen in the news reports. And it was sort of a continuation of what I was talking about before, separated by a bunch of arguing between you guys and Nausi.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-30 16:00:26
And now Pleebo accuses other people of being reductionists. H-card ahoy! Tiresome. Get new schtick.
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