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Random Politics & Religion #00
 Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-06 23:22:54
Maybe it has something to do with an 11 year old, who doesn't understand the concept of sex, much less BDSM activeties, the adult nature of the book, the character, the Horrible, horrible ***that somehow got passed off as writing among other themes of domestic violence, abuse, and so forth dressing as the title character who does all of these things? Quote: It's called parenting for a reason, not let your children do whatever they want.
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I'm pretty liberal about sex but if my kid said he wanted to dress up as the lead of a BDSM novel I'd be like 'nope.' with reflex. It's a bad idea, it's not even clever, not appropriate and is surely going to elicit some backlash / my time wasted.
11 year olds are 11. They spout stupid ideas that you're supposed to filter. How is this different from dressing up as a mass murderer or crazy person? E.g. Freddy Krueger, pinhead, tales of the crypt characters, etc.
As an 11 year old R.L. Stine and Christopher Pike books were very popular at my school.
Not sure anyone here has read them but they are horror novels written for teenagers. They had extreme violence, torture, and sexual overtones.
Beginning of fear street series
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-07 00:00:32
That's just it - they weren't written for 11 year olds, but for an older, mature teen audience. So your argument ends up being moot.
Dressing up as those characters, particularly Freddy Kreuger, which was a film, also meant for an older teen/mature (18+) audience would also be equally inappropriate for an 11 year old.
Tales from the Crypt, while ghoulish by today's standards, was also meant for a *teenage audience* under the assumption that parents would, you know, be parents, instead of using a child to be "edgy".
Then again, many of the cartoons or shows of yesteryear were not even recommended for young children, and came with parental advisories for a reason, the expectation was that while children would *try* to watch them, there was also the expectation that parents would engage their children if they saw something they weren't supposed to be privy to.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 00:24:01
That's just it - they weren't written for 11 year olds, but for an older, mature teen audience. So your argument ends up being moot.
Dressing up as those characters, particularly Freddy Kreuger, which was a film, also meant for an older teen/mature (18+) audience would also be equally inappropriate for an 11 year old.
Tales from the Crypt, while ghoulish by today's standards, was also meant for a *teenage audience* under the assumption that parents would, you know, be parents, instead of using a child to be "edgy".
Then again, many of the cartoons or shows of yesteryear were not even recommended for young children, and came with parental advisories for a reason, the expectation was that while children would *try* to watch them, there was also the expectation that parents would engage their children if they saw something they weren't supposed to be privy to. So, you've never read those authors? Because everything you are objecting to are in those books too.
There is stalking (both male and female charcters stalk others), torture (one book: tying a boy down, dribbling honey on him and letting fire ants bite him), murder (not what is in 50 shades, but women being burned at the stake, killing cheerleaders, etc), and sexual instances (attempted rape, heavy petting, etc, not necessarily graphically described).
If you object to all costumes from books and movies for people over the age of 18 then you object to most costumes kids are wearing. Which is fine by me, that is a consistent objection. Just not likely that every parent/adult objecting agrees with that.
Also, how do you feel about dressing up as anime and manga characters?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 00:25:43
When I was 11 the worst it was allowed to get was Goosebumps. And while it does reign in gore and sex... some of that stuff was absolutely chilling even when it read it now. If anyone cares I can try to dig up some example in a review I found... was a while ago so might not be able to find it though. Goosebumps are recommended reading (reading levels) for kids younger than 11. At the bookstores I worked at we sold them next to captain underpants series, iirc.
Edit: according to scholastic the reading level is grade 3-5
http://www.scholastic.com/tbw/quickSearch.do?N=0+$&fq=Series:%5EGoosebumps%5E&Ntk=TBW_QuickSearch_SI&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial#cart/cleanup
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 00:28:18
It is a ridiculous series. It is recommended grade 2-5, so around same level.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 00:43:02
I wasn't saying it was wrong for you to read them. I stated where they are in bookstores (in sections that are recommended for even younger children /gasp) and level according to scholastic levels, which is what bookstores *mainly* use to categorize (at least when I worked in them).
I personally think reading levels are silly and it should not limit what kids read.
Edit: I was reading "teenage books" and "adult level" (richard wright, dean koontz, etc) at age 11-12. It all depends on the kid.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 02:00:31
I read Gulliver's travels in a week and did a book report on it in 4th grade so I'm not worried about that. But my parents would have killed me for reading or watching anything on the Freddie Krueger level at that age. And I think that's more the norm as far as parenting goes that is my point. Eh, I'm not sure about that being the norm.
My friends had horror movie night sleepovers. I went to Halloween Horror Nights for the first time when I was 10 (5th grade) and plenty of haunted houses or haunted corn field rides before that age.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-03-07 02:02:17
I read Gulliver's travels in a week and did a book report on it in 4th grade so I'm not worried about that. But my parents would have killed me for reading or watching anything on the Freddie Krueger level at that age. And I think that's more the norm as far as parenting goes that is my point.
I happen to agree with you on this, the number of times I see kids that are 11, with an 18 year old game is shocking, or talking about playing it (kids lie but k).
The days when kids were kids, are gone and as it stands our priorities and views are completely missing the point sometimes.
With that said, I read goosebumps at those ages, and I never had any inclination to start stalking or murdering people. (Murdering idiots at work but we all feel that way mosta the time.)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-07 07:29:07
I read Gulliver's travels in a week and did a book report on it in 4th grade so I'm not worried about that. But my parents would have killed me for reading or watching anything on the Freddie Krueger level at that age. And I think that's more the norm as far as parenting goes that is my point. Eh, I'm not sure about that being the norm.
My friends had horror movie night sleepovers. I went to Halloween Horror Nights for the first time when I was 10 (5th grade) and plenty of haunted houses or haunted corn field rides before that age. My sister, while growing up, would watch all of those gory horror movies at age 8. My parents would let her too.
I hate that ***, so I always went to bed early on those nights. Mostly cause I know I won't be sleeping well that night (lots of screams and crying, and she was like 4 doors away from me too!)
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-07 08:15:36
After being in Romania for 3.5 hours Serbia looks like paradise.
So long EU and NATO.
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By fonewear 2015-03-07 08:18:05
After being in Romania for 3.5 hours Serbia looks like paradise.
So long EU and NATO.
Let me guess you are POW ? America will send help !
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-03-07 08:18:35
I read "One thousand and one nights" at age 13-14. I didn't know that it was full of sexual acts beforehand.
No weird fantasies (as far as I can remember) or fetishes though.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-07 08:21:50
The best part of my trip to Romania was some Russians spotting me a mile away and buying me a drink. Just waiting for the soul train to take me home right now.
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By fonewear 2015-03-07 08:24:23
I had a Russian girl in my one class in college was about 5 feet tall and amazingly sexy...just the type of girl that doesn't talk to me !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-07 08:27:31
The soul train to and from Romania.
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By fonewear 2015-03-07 08:28:03
Make sure you don't end up like in the movie Hostel !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-03-07 09:36:33
Inappropriate age level reading....
I read "The Grapes of Wrath" at 10.
The soul train to and from Romania.
Cute train Chaosx, why did you visit Romania?
By Bloodrose 2015-03-07 09:38:26
Back in grade 5, I was able to read The Giver with full understanding of the story, which at the time, was classified as University Level Reading comprehension, and marketed towards adults.
I also wrote a book report on it.
By fonewear 2015-03-07 09:38:35
I told him to smuggle me a Romanian woman but I think she will get confiscated at customs...
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By fonewear 2015-03-07 09:39:30
Last book I read was Human All Too Human.
Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 09:51:01
Lois Lowry writes good books. Many of them have been required reading at the schools I went to. The Giver in 7th grade and Number the stars in 5th grade, that I can think of off the top of my head.
In 6th grade I know why the caged bird sings (Maya Angelou) was taught in my class. Several parents objected when it was taught the next year.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-07 10:05:34
I'm surprised you guys remember what you read 20+ years ago.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-07 10:06:41
I'm surprised you guys remember what you read 20+ years ago. Something about a cat with its head stuck in a vase.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-07 10:08:14
I'm surprised you guys remember what you read 20+ years ago. Something about a cat with its head stuck in a vase. For you, it would be 10+ years ago.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-03-07 10:12:49
Maybe it has something to do with an 11 year old, who doesn't understand the concept of sex, much less BDSM activeties, the adult nature of the book, the character, the Horrible, horrible ***that somehow got passed off as writing among other themes of domestic violence, abuse, and so forth dressing as the title character who does all of these things? Quote: It's called parenting for a reason, not let your children do whatever they want.
^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm pretty liberal about sex but if my kid said he wanted to dress up as the lead of a BDSM novel I'd be like 'nope.' with reflex. It's a bad idea, it's not even clever, not appropriate and is surely going to elicit some backlash / my time wasted.
11 year olds are 11. They spout stupid ideas that you're supposed to filter. How is this different from dressing up as a mass murderer or crazy person? E.g. Freddy Krueger, pinhead, tales of the crypt characters, etc.
As an 11 year old R.L. Stine and Christopher Pike books were very popular at my school.
Not sure anyone here has read them but they are horror novels written for teenagers. They had extreme violence, torture, and sexual overtones.
Beginning of fear street series
Oh wow! I haven't thought about the Fear Street series in eons!
Around the same age, we would pass around the origin story series of the Fear/Fier/Feir family. (Different spellings because, from what I remember, there was a curse on the Fear family, and eventually the Feir/Fier combo was suppose to be either ode to a fire or foreshadowing of a fire...I can barely remember anymore.)
^This is how you make harlequin romance readers!^
Reflecting on this now, I can't help but get a little chuckle.
And, yes, Kara is right about the content.
Strange off-shoot, but did you read the 'American Girl' series from first grade to third/forth grade? It'll break your heart realizing what Mattel did to AG.
Also, why in the Hell were C.S. Lewis and Lewis Carroll novels designated high school reading level? Never understood that. I think Tolkien was too.
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Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-07 10:18:42
I'm surprised you guys remember what you read 20+ years ago. Realy good books and really bad ones tend to stick with a person, in my experience.
Plus 5th grade was when I really started to get interested in reading and I read tons of different books from age 10 onwards.
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