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Fenrir.Atheryn said: » It probably won't be too long before 3D printers can work with metals, and then people will be printing their own ammunition anyway. Can already do that to print guns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearms#United_States In case anyone was wondering, yes, there are a lot of 5.56 variants, I'll put them in the spoiler, and bold/italicize the one that the ATF is looking to ban.
Those are just the ones for the US. Obviously, the public doesn't have access to a lot of these, I know the M855A1 is what the Army switched to a while back. I'm sure the public would have no issues switching over to another variant. And no, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory of "this is just the beginning." Shiva.Viciousss said: » In case anyone was wondering, yes, there are a lot of 5.56 variants, I'll put them in the spoiler, and bold/italicize the one that the ATF is looking to ban. Those are just the ones for the US. Obviously, the public doesn't have access to a lot of these, I know the M855A1 is what the Army switched to a while back. I'm sure the public would have no issues switching over to another variant. And no, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory of "this is just the beginning." The impression I got from what I've read was they were trying to outlaw the entire caliber range. If they're just trying to get rid of one military-grade variety or w/e...well, it's still shady, but that changes the picture a little. Still, in practice, it's just party-line pandering. No, they are not trying to ban the entire caliber. Just the M855 green tip, which they have classified as Armor Piercing. That classification is a little shady, but the act of banning it is well within the ATF's jurisdiction.
Siren.Mosin said: » I still love the logic that a guy who is in the frame of mind to shoot at a cop is also going to be concerned with the legality of his weapon & ammunition. I think the idea behind it is to make it less available to the general public. by doing that it usually becomes a lot harder and more expensive for someone who would shoot at a cop or anyone for that matter to find/purchase. Fenrir.Atheryn said: » It probably won't be too long before 3D printers can work with metals, and then people will be printing their own ammunition anyway. I don't think that you understand what ammunition consists of.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I think the idea behind it is to make it less available to the general public. coming from the guy that lives in a city with the most stringent gun laws, & the most per capita cases of gun violence? how well is this 'idea' going for chicago?
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Fenrir.Atheryn said: » It probably won't be too long before 3D printers can work with metals, and then people will be printing their own ammunition anyway. I don't think that you understand what ammunition consists of. Yes I do, but it still won't be long before people can make it themselves, should the need arise. Siren.Mosin said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I think the idea behind it is to make it less available to the general public. coming from the guy that lives in a city with the most stringent gun laws, & the most per capita cases of gun violence? how well is this 'idea' going for chicago? I've lived here all my life and never experienced any gun violence and have never owned a gun myself. If you remember I even put that sign outside my house for a month that said I don't own a gun and nothing happened. What you guys don't seem to realize is that 95% of the gun violence in chicago can be avoided if you stay out of just a few neighborhoods and its usually bangers killing bangers and the unfortunate bystandard that wouldn't have been able to do anything if they had a gun anyways. Chicago hasn't been the highest in awhile and illinois isn't even close to the top. If you think you haven't been victimized because you own a gun then you'd most likely be wrong. I always point to the millions of guns that have been stolen from peoples homes over the years as one example. Fenrir.Atheryn said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Fenrir.Atheryn said: » It probably won't be too long before 3D printers can work with metals, and then people will be printing their own ammunition anyway. I don't think that you understand what ammunition consists of. Yes I do, but it still won't be long before people can make it themselves, should the need arise. About -200ish years or so?
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I'd say that it doesn't really make a difference when you ban guns. that's all I was saying. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » If you think you haven't been victimized because you own a gun then you'd most likely be wrong. I've been in some more interesting spots than I'd care to admit. would a handgun have saved me? I don't think so. I know for sure one time it might have even gotten me killed, but I wasn't trying to make that point in the first place. Siren.Mosin said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: »I'd say that it doesn't really make a difference when you ban guns. that's all I was saying. Siren.Mosin said: » If you think you haven't been victimized because you own a gun then you'd most likely be wrong. I've been in some more interesting spots than I'd care to admit. would a handgun have saved me? I don't think so. I know for sure one time it might have even gotten me killed, but I wasn't trying to make that point in the first place.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Like Chicago has a higher rate of gun violence because it had the strictest rules regarding gun ownership. nope, just a testament to it's ineffectiveness. Lakshmi.Flavin said: » A lot of times you hear people say well if they had a gun they coulda stopped em or you guys have higher crime rates because you don't have guns. yeah people like to champion that. My mind isn't really on the 'night burglar' as it is more on the sudden collapse of our lovely modern infrastructure, & the dregs of society roaming the town in packs looting for survival. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Fenrir.Atheryn said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Fenrir.Atheryn said: » It probably won't be too long before 3D printers can work with metals, and then people will be printing their own ammunition anyway. I don't think that you understand what ammunition consists of. Yes I do, but it still won't be long before people can make it themselves, should the need arise. About -200ish years or so? Shiva.Onorgul said: » Forming lead is one of the most difficult processes on earth. no, it's not. forming the brass is actually tougher. making your own ammunition is a very common thing, all across the USA. edit* O you were just being facetious & it went over my head the first read-through, I'm sorry, I'll get off my computer & go get a drink Shiva.Viciousss said: » Well, there is nothing in the Constitution that protects bullets. and you can already 3d print bullets, at least shells, but let's say there was even a decent one to print, it would take some time to get some well made ones with good accuracy, and that won't malfunction.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: » Banning the sale of the bullets has the effect of disarming the gun's owner. If it happens it will be overturned by the Courts just like the President's most recent lawlessness on immigration. The executive branch outright refusing to enforce laws passed by the legislative branch and signed into law by the executive branch has the effect of creating a law. We still have over a year and a half of this bozo. I can't imagine the ***he is going to try in his last year. Vic has already pre-agreed with it all no matter what it is. Oh I get it you're not being serious. lol good one Brah.
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Jetackuu said: » and you can already 3d print bullets, at least shells, but let's say there was even a decent one to print, it would take some time to get some well made ones with good accuracy, and that won't malfunction. Plus it would take at minimum a few hours per bullet, a few hundred dollars in materials, and a 2 million dollar machine. Odin.Jassik said: » Jetackuu said: » and you can already 3d print bullets, at least shells, but let's say there was even a decent one to print, it would take some time to get some well made ones with good accuracy, and that won't malfunction. Plus it would take at minimum a few hours per bullet, a few hundred dollars in materials, and a 2 million dollar machine. You haven't been keeping up with 3d printers have you? Jetackuu said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Jetackuu said: » and you can already 3d print bullets, at least shells, but let's say there was even a decent one to print, it would take some time to get some well made ones with good accuracy, and that won't malfunction. Plus it would take at minimum a few hours per bullet, a few hundred dollars in materials, and a 2 million dollar machine. You haven't been keeping up with 3d printers have you? I was being facetious, but unless the technology has advanced light years since last month, there still isn't a commercially available one with the ability to print brass, and if the metal isn't a concern, you're still looking at 8-10K for a printer capable of printing a bullet. When it comes to ammunition at least, you're still better off reclaiming old casings and casting bullets by hand for the foreseeable future. Jetackuu said: » There's nothing unlawful about the immigration reform executive action, ffs. However, in terms of use of executive orders, our current President is way behind the curve compared to his antecedents. So if we're going to get into a debate about Obama occasionally using a grey-area power, we'd also need to point out how many more Bush, Jr. (among others), used despite his party having Congressional majority.
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Can at least make shells, but 8-10k isn't 2 million.
But to this: Odin.Jassik said: » When it comes to ammunition at least, you're still better off reclaiming old casings and casting bullets by hand for the foreseeable future. Basically, if nothing else for accuracy, and stability. Jetackuu said: » Can at least make shells, but 8-10k isn't 2 million. But to this: Odin.Jassik said: » When it comes to ammunition at least, you're still better off reclaiming old casings and casting bullets by hand for the foreseeable future. Basically, if nothing else for accuracy, and stability. Those hobbyist style printers might get the job done, I was making a joke about rapid prototyping machines required to produce the amount of ammunition the reactionaries claim is necessary. It was just too veiled and poorly presented. Carry on, good sir. Shiva.Onorgul said: » Jetackuu said: » There's nothing unlawful about the immigration reform executive action, ffs. However, in terms of use of executive orders, our current President is way behind the curve compared to his antecedents. So if we're going to get into a debate about Obama occasionally using a grey-area power, we'd also need to point out how many more Bush, Jr. (among others), used despite his party having Congressional majority. You only need to point out the actions of other Presidents if you are incapable of defending the illegal Executive order of President Obama and you want to deflect and discuss other unnamed Executive orders from other Presidents; basically change the subject. But since you want to use some vague actions of President Obama's predecessors you also clearly illustrate the danger of sitting back idly while this President writes law by deciding which laws he will enforce. Now future Presidents that you may not have a hard on for can use President Obama's illegal actions as justification for not enforcing any laws of their choosing, particularly good laws that you may agree with and were also legally passed. Choosing not to enforce a law is equal to creating a new law that contradicts a law. That is not the role of the President and is clearly illegal. We only have one President at one time and bringing up others is a waste of time because there is nothing you can do about it. Please do tell us which parts of which executive action is illegal. Everyone keeps saying "illegal actions" without actually naming anything that's illegal or even questionable.
One he grants legal status to people clearly in America in violation of the law. Two he is issuing working papers to them which is clearly in violation of existing law. Giving them working papers go above and beyond not enforcing the law. It is saying that this is the new law.
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