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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-05 17:16:08
It's the truth and justice talking. I almost shed a tear there.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-05 17:25:22
That is a timeline. Within hours, yes they were suspected. What do you expect. They are hardly going to have concrete proof after 'hours'. Show me that they are still suspected present day. It does not. They still quote it as fact.
Holy crap, stop arguing just to argue. I think that the suspected hijackers were the actual hijackers and that they actually died. I'm not the one that liked his post when he said that they found 11/19 of them. That was YOU. Justify yourself instead of trying to nitpick me. Wow, I never seen your posts with emotion before.
That's a first.
Well, occasionally that special combination of frustration and sleep deprivation comes out in my posts. Nothing a short break and some Mountain Dew couldn't fix.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-05 17:26:26
On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
Lol.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 17:27:43
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common You are going to have to elaborate more than that.
How is Ravael, a soft-spoken, mild mannered poster on this website, is anywhere near the same as a group of illogical, hate-driven radicals?
I mean, he is basically Clark Kent while ISIS is Lex Luthor!
By Bloodrose 2015-02-05 17:28:45
Nothing a short break and some Freedom couldn't fix.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 17:32:24
Nothing a short break and some Freedom couldn't fix.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-05 17:50:14
Quote: A Pentagon study from 2008 claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin has Asperger's syndrome
A Pentagon study from 2008 claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin has Asperger's syndrome (AFP Photo/Vasily Maximov)
Washington (AFP) - A Pentagon study from 2008 claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin has Asperger's syndrome, giving him a need to exert "extreme control" when faced with crises, according to the report released Thursday.
Experts studying his movements and facial expressions in video footage theorized Putin's neurological development was disrupted in infancy, giving him a sense of physical imbalance and a discomfort with social interaction, according to the report by the Pentagon's internal think tank, the Office of Net Assessment.
"This profound behavioral challenge has been identified by leading neuroscientists as Asperger's Syndrome, an autistic disorder which affects all of his decisions," wrote the study's author, Brenda Connors, a senior fellow at the US Naval War College.
"During crisis, to stabilize himself and his perceptions of any evolving context he reverts to imposing extreme control," wrote Connors, who has analyzed the body language of other world leaders.
USA Today first revealed the study in a report Wednesday, following a Freedom of Information request.
Putin's condition also can prompt him to "withdraw from social stimulation as he did at the time of the Kursk nuclear submarine incident" in 2000, when a Russian sub sank in the Barents Sea, the study claimed.
The theory about Putin's condition could not be definitively confirmed without a brain scan, the report said. But experts cited the Russian president's body movements and "microexpressions" as indicators of Asperger's, a high-functioning form of autism. Pentagon study claimed Putin has Asperger's syndrome
I can honestly say, the autism you are looking for, is not here.
Source: 28 years of on going personal experience.
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By Blazed1979 2015-02-05 17:51:01
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.htmlQuote: Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 05/25/2010
CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay
By Jeff Stein
During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.
One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.
“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”
The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.
Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.
“I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone.
The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts.
The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.
Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects.
They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing darts at it.”
The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer.
“They came from people whose careers were spent in Latin America or East Asia” and didn’t understand the cultural nuances of the region.
“Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East -- nobody cares,” agreed a third former CIA official with extensive experience in the region. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.”
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to confirm the accounts, or deny them.
"While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.
The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects.
“The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center.
“The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the 1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted anything to do with it.”
“There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to do it. “
The leaflets also had “unintended consequences,” the former official added.
“In the perverted logic of Iraq, the Iraqi soldiers decided they had to have a leaflet to surrender, so they fought us to get one."
According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective “information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home.
Many did.
ISIS Beheadings of Journalists: CIA Admitted to Staging Fake Jihadist Videos in 2010
Questions arise after experts say Foley ISIS beheading video likely "staged"
Quote: A 2010 Washington Post article authored by former Army Intelligence Officer Jeff Stein features a detailed account of how the CIA admittedly filmed a fake Bin Laden video during the run up to the 2003 Iraq war.
The article, which includes comments from multiple sources within the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group, explains how the agency had planned to “flood Iraq with the videos” depicting several controversial scenarios.
“The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory,” the article states. “The actors were drawn from ‘some of us darker-skinned employees.’”
Other CIA officials admitted to planning several fake videos featuring former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, one of which would depict the leader engaged in sexual acts with a teenage boy.
“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”
According to one official, the video ideas were eventually scrapped due to the CIA officers, who spent their careers in Latin America and East Asia, not understanding “the cultural nuances of the region.”
“Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East — nobody cares,” a third former CIA official said. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.”
The article does however admit that one specific psyop was successfully implemented, linking to a document from the Rand Corporation that explains the program.
“According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective ‘information warfare’ project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home,” the article states. “Many did.”
While the aforementioned videos were never released, the much looked over admission of such psychological operations raises questions in light of the recent ISIS beheading videos.
Only days after Infowars’ questioned several discrepancies in the James Foley beheading video, top British forensic experts concluded that the video was likely staged using “camera trickery and slick post-production techniques.”
“After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black,” an analyst said.”I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”
Given the brutality seen in many of ISIS’ grainy, low quality cell phone videos from Iraq and Syria, many have also begun questioning why the “beheading” video’s hide the actual beheading while also exhibiting more advanced editing techniques and high definition cameras.
While no one questions the tragic fate of both James Foley and Steven Sotloff, other questions have been raised in light of who discovered the most recent video: the SITE Intelligence Group (Search for International Terrorist Entities).
“One of SITE’s founders, Rita Katz, is a government insider with close connections to former terrorism czar Richard Clarke and his staff in the White House, as well as investigators in the Department of Justice, Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Homeland Security according to SourceWatch,” notes Infowars’ Kurt Nimmo.
The most glaring issue still remains the United States government’s involvement in creating ISIS, recently pointed out by General Thomas McInerney.
“We backed I believe in some cases, some of the wrong people and not in the right part of the Free Syrian Army and that’s a little confusing to people, so I’ve always maintained….that we were backing the wrong types,” McInerney said.
While the Obama Administration admits to having no strategy against ISIS, internal sources claim the President has received intelligence on their rise for more than a year. Even as reports come in on possible ISIS attacks in the Southern US, the President still refuses to secure the border as border gates are left wide open.
Quote: “Reporter” Who Broke Propaganda Piece “Justifying” Bombing Syria Clears His Stories with CIA Before Publishing
Posted on September 30, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
A Stooge for the CIA?
We recently pointed out that the immediate “justification” for the U.S. bombing of Syria – the “Khorasans” – is as fake as the Kardashians’ physique.
Glenn Greenwald, Murtaza Hussain and Justin Raimondo have written must-read stories proving that we were right.
And Democracy Now – interviewing Hussain – notes that the same “reporter” who broke the “story” of the Khorasan “threat” was recently busted for clearing his stories in advance with the CIA:
MURTAZA HUSSAIN: … It was interesting that Ken Dilanian reported the story first in the Associated Press, saying that this was a new threat and a new group, and he was one of the first people to break the story afterwards saying that U.S. officials are now adding more “nuance,” is the word he used, to their previous warnings about the group. So, it was kind of a really egregious case of media spin, whereby the media had taken up this narrative of a threat from a new terrorist, and then, after the strikes had been conducted which justified this group, they immediately took the opposite tack, saying that in fact there was no threat that was imminent and the group itself did not exist per se. So, it was really quite a failure of the media, which we’ve seen several times in the past, as well.
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AMY GOODMAN: You mentioned Ken Dilanian of AP. Now, Intercept just put out another story, “The CIA’s Mop-Up Man: L.A. Times Reporter Cleared Stories with Agency Before Publication.” Ken Silverstein writes, “A prominent national security reporter for the Los Angeles Times routinely submitted drafts and detailed summaries of his stories to CIA press handlers prior to publication, according to documents obtained by The Intercept.” He goes on to say, “Email exchanges between CIA public affairs officers and Ken Dilanian, now an Associated Press intelligence reporter who previously covered the CIA for the Times, show that Dilanian enjoyed a closely collaborative relationship with the agency, explicitly promising positive news coverage and sometimes sending the press office entire story drafts for review prior to publication. In at least one instance, the CIA’s reaction appears to have led to significant changes in the story that was eventually published in the [Los Angeles] Times.
Indeed, American media is always pro-war.
And an official summary of America’s overthrow of the democratically-elected president of Iran in the 1950′s states, “In cooperation with the Department of State, CIA had several articles planted in major American newspapers and magazines which, when reproduced in Iran, had the desired psychological effect in Iran and contributed to the war of nerves against Mossadeq” (page x).
Indeed, famed Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein says the CIA has already bought and paid for many successful journalists. See also this New York Times piece, this essay by the Independent, this speech by one of the premier writers on journalism, and this and this roundup.
And given that the ban against domestic propaganda has now been repealed, more extreme and blatant propaganda will likely be deployed against the American public.
Oh yeah, Khorosan...
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By Blazed1979 2015-02-05 18:11:10
Painful and hard to watch - 'Murica at its best!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-05 18:13:40
That's a lot of opinion blogs and conspiracy posts (and video) there blazed.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-02-05 18:25:36
Looks like a desperate attempt to make the beheadings fake by referencing completely unrelated scenarios. Not working.
By fonewear 2015-02-05 18:38:13
People taking a movie too seriously !
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-02-05 22:49:53
Painful and hard to watch - 'Murica at its best!
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Turns out, ISIS watched it.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-02-05 23:44:53
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/uk-courts-say-3-parent-ivf-babies-ok.html
Quote: Today’s move means that DNA from two women and a man can now be pooled in order to outweigh the odds of an embryo developing mitochondrial disease— where cells unable to generate energy begin closing down altogether—ultimately causing issues including brain damage, muscle wasting, and death.
Of course, the church people are against it, and the rest of us wonder why we're cursed with having to share a planet with them.
Thoughts?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-02-05 23:55:48
I like the reverend's question..whats the rush? Well, its taken 15 years, so there doesn't appear to be a rush. I don't see any negatives other than hurt feelings which is pretty much the church's justification for hating everything, so press on.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 00:18:12
holy ***do those glasses make them all look like douchebags.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-02-06 00:36:28
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/uk-courts-say-3-parent-ivf-babies-ok.html
Quote: Today’s move means that DNA from two women and a man can now be pooled in order to outweigh the odds of an embryo developing mitochondrial disease— where cells unable to generate energy begin closing down altogether—ultimately causing issues including brain damage, muscle wasting, and death.
Of course, the church people are against it, and the rest of us wonder why we're cursed with having to share a planet with them.
Thoughts? Starts with good intentions, but I believe part of the fear is it leading to designer babies.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-02-06 00:36:40
So we can expect the pilot to be found safe and sound any day now, eh? They found 11/19 of the 9/11 Hijackers, so why not?
Suspected hijackers. Don't try so hard to be on the side of ISIS, broski. On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
You got a point plus one you blazed well said. These folks don't realize those representing themselves as isis are hijacking a religion to give it a bad name.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-06 00:38:48
I like the reverend's question..whats the rush? Well, its taken 15 years, so there doesn't appear to be a rush. I don't see any negatives other than hurt feelings which is pretty much the church's justification for hating everything, so press on.
Eh, I'm kind of in agreement that genetically engineering humans is a line best left uncrossed. I know this is a far cry from designer babies and all that jazz, but it just feels wrong. But, at the same time, I wouldn't seek to deny other people the opportunity to have children while reducing the risk a hereditary health problems.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 00:54:41
So we can expect the pilot to be found safe and sound any day now, eh? They found 11/19 of the 9/11 Hijackers, so why not?
Suspected hijackers. Don't try so hard to be on the side of ISIS, broski. On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
You got a point plus one you blazed well said. These folks don't realize those representing themselves as isis are hijacking a religion to give it a bad name.
Why do you people keep insist on using the NTS fallacy?
inb4 somebody uses the "whatdoyoumean"youpeople".jpg"
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 00:55:24
I like the reverend's question..whats the rush? Well, its taken 15 years, so there doesn't appear to be a rush. I don't see any negatives other than hurt feelings which is pretty much the church's justification for hating everything, so press on.
Eh, I'm kind of in agreement that genetically engineering humans is a line best left uncrossed. I know this is a far cry from designer babies and all that jazz, but it just feels wrong. But, at the same time, I wouldn't seek to deny other people the opportunity to have children while reducing the risk a hereditary health problems. *** that, let's get ourselves some newtypes up in this ***!
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-02-06 03:29:58
I like the reverend's question..whats the rush? Well, its taken 15 years, so there doesn't appear to be a rush. I don't see any negatives other than hurt feelings which is pretty much the church's justification for hating everything, so press on.
Eh, I'm kind of in agreement that genetically engineering humans is a line best left uncrossed. I know this is a far cry from designer babies and all that jazz, but it just feels wrong. But, at the same time, I wouldn't seek to deny other people the opportunity to have children while reducing the risk a hereditary health problems. *** that, let's get ourselves some newtypes up in this ***!
Does this train of thought remind anyone of history repeating itself? I hope you all realize Nazi Germany had these same ideas "new types" pure perfect breeds all looking and thinking the same. Wake up sheeple. Is this why stalin protested the United States of America from harboring Nazi officials ?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 04:30:16
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-06 05:26:57
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/uk-courts-say-3-parent-ivf-babies-ok.html
Quote: Today’s move means that DNA from two women and a man can now be pooled in order to outweigh the odds of an embryo developing mitochondrial disease— where cells unable to generate energy begin closing down altogether—ultimately causing issues including brain damage, muscle wasting, and death.
Of course, the church people are against it, and the rest of us wonder why we're cursed with having to share a planet with them.
Thoughts? Beat you to it
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-06 05:29:05
I like the reverend's question..whats the rush? Well, its taken 15 years, so there doesn't appear to be a rush. I don't see any negatives other than hurt feelings which is pretty much the church's justification for hating everything, so press on.
Eh, I'm kind of in agreement that genetically engineering humans is a line best left uncrossed. I know this is a far cry from designer babies and all that jazz, but it just feels wrong. But, at the same time, I wouldn't seek to deny other people the opportunity to have children while reducing the risk a hereditary health problems. *** that, let's get ourselves some newtypes up in this ***!
Does this train of thought remind anyone of history repeating itself? I hope you all realize Nazi Germany had these same ideas "new types" pure perfect breeds all looking and thinking the same. Wake up sheeple. Is this why stalin protested the United States of America from harboring Nazi officials ? That isn't a Nazi exclusive idea.....
By charlo999 2015-02-06 05:32:28
So we can expect the pilot to be found safe and sound any day now, eh? They found 11/19 of the 9/11 Hijackers, so why not?
Suspected hijackers. Don't try so hard to be on the side of ISIS, broski. On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
You got a point plus one you blazed well said. These folks don't realize those representing themselves as isis are hijacking a religion to give it a bad name.
My personal opinion on ISIS.
As we know CIA funds propaganda for benefit.
ISIS, that they initially setup the group with what was left of the Rebels of the Syria civil war, which they funded.
Then from that base used propaganda to recrute 'real' extremists from around the world.
While they are going around causing real mayhem we are mainly getting these international propaganda vids to draw countries in and get public backing from natural human emotion. The more graphic the vids are portrayed the less chance people are gonna watch.
Also speaking up would obviously get rebuttal from the public because it would seem disrespectful toward the victims.
I'm not saying real deaths arent happening, but there's a long history list of lies given to force a natural emotionative response to justify more crimes.
As they say history always repeats.
Just be wary, researched and share info/opinions. It would be worse to think you backed killing through hatred from deceit
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-02-06 06:50:44
On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
Lol. I think Blazed intended to deflect your absurd accusation that questioning the authenticity of the vid = ISIS sympathizer (regardless of what purpose posting a fake video really serves, that's another issue).
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-02-06 06:58:48
So we can expect the pilot to be found safe and sound any day now, eh? They found 11/19 of the 9/11 Hijackers, so why not?
Suspected hijackers. Don't try so hard to be on the side of ISIS, broski. On the side of ISIS?
1. My country is bombing them
2. I have family members in the military fighting them
3. ISIS and you have a lot more in common
You got a point plus one you blazed well said. These folks don't realize those representing themselves as isis are hijacking a religion to give it a bad name.
Why do you people keep insist on using the NTS fallacy?
inb4 somebody uses the "whatdoyoumean"youpeople".jpg" It's not NTS when over 100 scholars issued a joint statement, grounded in sound reasoning, based on texts from authentic Islamic sources, refuting the whole ISIS idealogy. I linked it months ago, I'm sure you've seen it.
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By Ramyrez 2015-02-06 07:32:37
If you use the word "sheeple", you're a complete tool who I can never take seriously.
And lest you think I'm being partisan, I've written off a lot of atheists I otherwise agree with for it, too.
It's an absolutely idiotic term that someone coined on the internet years ago that has no real meaning beyond insulting people, and generally the more you insult people, the less they're going to take you seriously.
So saying, "wake up sheeple" is about the most worthless thing you could ever do for your argument ever short of saying, "c'mon, agree with me and I'll fling my feces at you!"
I'm not saying I'm above throwing a few derogatory terms at people I disagree with on the forum, because I'm not. It's a shortcoming, frankly, that comes from being frustrated and knowing people aren't going to come around to what I see as the only reasonable viewpoint.
But, as stated, that's only after I realize they're never going to come around to my way of thinking. You, on the other hand, apparently think you're still convincing people whilst insulting them.
Please, do the world a favor. Find a short pier and take a long walk off of it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-06 07:36:08
Wait, I didn't say that....
You took the wrong quote bub!
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