Random Politics & Religion #00

so for like 42 years the climate only shifted less than 1 degree C?

so for like 42 years the climate only shifted less than 1 degree C?

No no he's saying that from around 1985, every year has been hotter than the other by anywhere from 0 degrees centigrade to .6 degrees centigrade. So if you take the average of that which is .3 degrees centigrade over 29 years it would make the earth 9.7 degrees centigrade warmer than it was in 1985.

Clearly he's lost his mind.

No no he's saying that from around 1985, every year has been hotter than the other by anywhere from 0 degrees centigrade to .6 degrees centigrade. So if you take the average of that which is .3 degrees centigrade over 29 years it would make the earth 9.7 degrees centigrade warmer than it was in 1985.

Clearly he's lost his mind.

1 degree centigrade is a very large number when you're talking about the climate of the planet.

Where the *** did you get 9.7 from?

That and you have to also consider the rate of change (delta X over delta Y).

And yes (not directed at Jet), you would include the last 15 years. Thing is, it won't make a difference.

So then Milamber, we can all agree there has been no warming for the last 18 years?

Right catastrophe is JUST around the corner. Any day now the world will end. Sound the alarm! Raise taxes! Restrict liberties and freedoms. Western life is a cancer on the world and it's time we all paid the price.

.3C per year for 29 years? Oh wait that's 8.7. Whatevs it's 5pm on a Friday I'm winging my maths at this point.

That and you have to also consider the rate of change (delta X over delta Y).

And yes (not directed at Jet), you would include the last 15 years. Thing is, it won't make a difference.

Rep. Adam Schiff, a California Democrat who serves on the intelligence panel and the Benghazi select committee, said, "It's my hope that this report will put to rest many of the questions that have been asked and answered yet again, and that the Benghazi Select Committee will accept these findings and instead focus its attention on the State Department's progress in securing our facilities around the world and standing up our fast response capabilities."

We pretty much knew all of that already lol. The "stand down" rumor was junk from the start.

In the big picture, it really isn't. The whole fulcrum of the alarmist's attitude is more CO2 = more warming. The last 18 years have seen the HIGHEST concentrations of CO2 since the industrial revolution. Yet there has been is NO warming.

Clearly CO2 (human existence) isn't driving the climate car.

I realize there's no point talking to you about this because it isn't really about science. With deniers, it's solely political as demonstrated by your complete avoidance or incoherence when actually confronted with the evidence. It does help me refamiliarize myself with the topic though since I don't much deal with climate studies anymore. Thanks!

Then Pleebo changes topic hoping nobody notices.

What part of the stand down order? The security agents who wanted to go to the embassy to help were told to stand down, according to their own testimonies.

If you want to grab one of the warmest years in the last 20 and compare it to last year and claim that it's not warming, go ahead, but you're just proving once again how little you understand about science.

At least people like Rav question specific data samples, you just state the same stupid stuff over and over even after being proven wrong repeatedly.

The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was previously accepted as a warm period that occurred in the time frame of about 1000-1400 AD. That is, until the advent of IPCC and Mann’s hockey stick – now many claim the MWP never happened, or that it was a minimal regional event. But most scientists do not accept the recent IPCC-inspired rejection of the MWP, which was based on Mann’s flawed study.

The IPCC 1990 report showed the temperature graph of the red line in the above figure, which indicates the MWP and the Little Ice Age (LIA). But in the IPCC 1995 report, the only pre-instrumental temperature trend figure included uses a northern hemisphere temperature reconstruction, starting in 1400 -thus leaving out the MWP. The IPCC 2001 report (TAR) shows temperature reconstructions starting from 1000 AD from Mann, Jones and Briffa and prominently displays the hockey-stick graph as shown previously. The TAR states: “the posited Medieval Warm Period appears to have been less distinct, more moderate in amplitude… The Northern Hemisphere mean temperature estimates of Jones et al. (1998), Mann et al. (1999), and Crowley and Lowery (2000) show temperatures from the 11th to 14th centuries to be about 0.2°C warmer than those from the 15th to 19th centuries, but rather below mid-20th century temperatures. Thus current evidence does not support globally synchronous periods of anomalous cold or warmth over this timeframe, and the conventional terms of "Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period" appear to have limited utility in describing trends in hemispheric or global mean temperature changes in past centuries”.


This IPCC statement is at odds with the findings of other scientists. For example, research at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics report on a recent paper using proxies, which verifies the occurrence of the MWP: [http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0310.html] “A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years. The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. While 20th century temperatures are much higher than in the Little Ice Age period, many parts of the world show the medieval warmth to be greater than that of the 20th century.”

Care to comment on my actual reply to that post?

It was bait, actually.

What part of the stand down order? The security agents who wanted to go to the embassy to help were told to stand down, according to their own testimonies.

Yeah and guess what? They were at best, exaggerating, but really, we all know they took a paycheck to appear on Fox News and "exaggerate." They were never ordered to stand down, they were told they weren't going anywhere without orders by their team leader. There is a clear difference, and it didn't fool the House committee, or anyone with a brain.

If you want to grab one of the warmest years in the last 20 and compare it to last year and claim that it's not warming, go ahead, but you're just proving once again how little you understand about science.

At least people like Rav question specific data samples, you just state the same stupid stuff over and over even after being proven wrong repeatedly.