Random Politics & Religion #00

AmishOmega the scientist:

It's colder today than it was yesterday! I've just debunked global warming! You're all idiots unless you agree with me! /puts fingers in ears and hums the them song to dukes of hazard

but all john boehner would have to do is say something like...

/boehner voice

"if I was one of these families in the united states illegally I might be afraid that the presidents actions would be reversed at some point and the government would know exactly where I lived..."

few people would sign up to get deported... unless they had a wedding to go too.... (ancient cheech and chong joke)

it's not all that big a threat at the same time though. Back when I still worked construction the sheetrock guys got deported back to mexico one time, & I remember when the feds were loading them up they kept shouting back to their boss "s'ok jeffe! we'll be back in 2 weeks! 2 weeks!" all desperate like. I recall laughing & thinking "yeah right, dude" well sure as god needs money they were back a week & a half later, blasting ranchero music, & throwing up sheetrock.

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And I live a good 2000 miles from the border.

Have no fear, Ravioli is here!

it's all part of the courtship. it's a delicate to and fro.

Oh man, the ranchero music.... I don't mind a lot of Spanish-speaking music out there (it helps that I can speak it), but when I was living in Arizona that ranchero music drove me nuts.

Where is the failure of your understanding occurring?

We have increased the amount of refinable oil through hydraulic fracking?

-We have! This isn't in dispute, Kara in the post right before yours threw it out there again.


And in case you guys missed it I did too a few pages back when I posted this:


And you've got a severe memory impairment, you posted it as well.


So it's not that oil production hasn't increased, cause we've covered that. Could it be that hydrological fracking requires drilling? Can't tout "drill baby drill" if we're getting all this increase in oil production without drilling right?

Or perhaps it could be the fundamental economics of supply and demand. You know when things are more available, the price inevitably goes down. So again, what are you failing to understanding? Because it cannot be that the supply has increased. Everyone's covered this.

CO2 is not "dirty". We have clean cheap energy, too bad Obama and the libs hate coal and fracking.

I'm not touting polar bears being alive as proof that global warming isn't real. Alarmists like yourself have touted that the dwindling population of polar bears will suffer because of global warming. The article and myself are arguing that because the population of polar bears has increased despite the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, then the argument put forth by alarmists (of global warming will kill the polar bears) is full of ***.

It's just another example of how ignorant they are of "climate mechanics". But I guess you've got no shot at maintaining credibility if I cannot point out the mistakes you and other alarmists have continued to make.

Yeah nobody I have met sees it as anything more than a nuisance... and almost everyone I met in Monterrey Mexico was bidding their time until their eventual return. the one guy had gotten picked up in wisconsin and spent a hellishly long week on the world slowest bus back to mexico but still his only hesitation which was whether or not he should move that far north again...

You, much like AO, focus on only one part of the equation and ignore all other information while claiming victory for your side.

No one is disputing that the U.S. is not producing more oil. No one is saying that it doesn't affect the market. It just doesn't affect it on as significant a level as you seem to think it does.

Just increasing supply does not drive prices down like this. You fail to see the whole picture or even comprehend how the market actually works and try to reduce it to a simplistic form which completely supports your objective. It doesn't.

Edit: that and you don't even fully comprehend the articles you yourself post.

Don't you have henchmen and/or robots patrolling the borders to prevent that kind of thing, Nik?

Construcción Sans Frontières

not nearly as revered as their hoity toity medical counterparts, either.

Ok, so you concede that fracking produces more oil, increases supply, but you fail to understand that the increased supply will bring down costs.

If the US's supply had fallen by a few million bpd in the past 5 years instead of increasing a few million bpd, do you think that the price would fall as well?

Or are you just so stuborn or avoid conceding that increased supply via fracking = lower costs to the pump that you'll insist that decreased supply = lower costs?

the funding fell through due to extreme squeamish queasiness over the indeterminate nature of the killbots killing methodology.... they're programmed to basically sprays bullets at anything that moves inside the kill radius....everybody looses their resolve when they start gunning down children

pansies

I'm going to throw your global warming argument back in your face and state that since gas prices are still too damn high, fracking isn't at all effective....

You have not posted any articles that relate to oil costs. US supply, whether low or high, has not affected gas prices. The US does not dictate the cost of oil, period.

/sigh

Do you even read other peoples posts? Do you treat everything like a "omg I saw this one part of somethingthat looks like it supports my thoery so I'm going to use that to bolster my own words and then bastardize everything else!"

Even in your simplistic understanding of any kind of market you're still completely ignoreing the demand side as well as the rest of the world. Just because NA is producing more oil does not equate to a drastic decrease in the price of a barrel of oil for the world.

Like we've tried to explain to you before. there has been a decrease in demand across the globe especially in emerging asian markets... the increase in the US's BPD production is statistically small globally compared to what we've already been producing. the Saudi's have been pushing the market price down.. among other reasons that your own articles have given...

I don't get what's so hard to understand about "yes it does have an effect but not as great as you would like to believe". Do you not understand that this is a global market? That the US does not control the price of Gasoline and domestic production isn't the sole reason the price fluctuates?

Even less of this has to do with fracking...

You seem to have a misunderstanding of what average temperature is, as opposed to average high and average low.
If you assume a duty cycle of 50% (half time at upper average, half time at lower average), an average high of 12C and low of 7C would give you an average temperature of 9.5C. That's 2.5C lower than an average temperature of 12C.

Now, assuming a duty cycle of 50% is quite often wrong when dealing with temperatures, since in most places very little relative time is generally spent at the maximum and minimum values. But that should clarify what the difference between average temperature, average maximum temperature, average minimum temperature.

Also, from http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/:





So the straightforward answer to this:
is this:

Earth.

But every bit as valuable.

Now all we need is a Mexican guy looking into a camera saying to the American people "You didn't build that."

Gringo.

It also can't be that demand has changed. It also can't be that it doesn't necessarily straightforwardly follow supply vs demand.
Here's a graph comparing global oil production, consumption, and the US crude oil acquisition cost.

You may notice the acquisition cost doesn't necessarily map well to changes in supply and demand post 2000ish.

The shitty hotair says nothing about increasing populations. Polar bears exist within the entire Arctic circle, not just Alaska. Arctic land ice is disappearing and this WILL affect the wildlife that relies on it.

I didn't even address the fact that their entire argument revolves around a cherry picked quote from a TV ad. lol

I still say polar bears are *** and they should all be rounded up and put in zoos...


no it isn't.... it's just in it's more liquidy form is all.

By all means continue to argue that increasing the supply of oil through fracking doesn't lower prices at the pump.

Its not an argument, its common knowledge. This is just another topic you know nothing about.

Get that positive spin on it.

"We've increased the size of the Arctic Ocean! It's amazing!"

First, the article states "11) Polar Bears are alive and well and not dying out." If a species is not dying out it is instead multiplying. Thanks for playing you lose.

Second you attempt to brush me off and discredit based on the fact that I bring up Polar bears, then you double down on the polar bear argument yourself.

Classic Pleebo!

the real question is, would you change places with a polar bear, today?

There's also oil reserves currently inaccessible thanks to that Arctic Ice. When that dissapears, we'll be given access to billions of barrels of untapped crude baby.

Just imagine, 5cent/gallon fuel! World peace, here we come.