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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:15:09
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Not all liberals are dirty some of them shower !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-02 09:15:31
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Oh, and 91k raised.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-02 09:15:33
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Add in the people like Nausi who want to support them just because he hates gay people and wants to stick it to the dirty liberals...
Projecting another argument.

You should really check that.

That you can't see they're related is just another part of the problem.

It's okay. You've got plenty of company, I'm sure you'll do just fine anyhow.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-02 09:15:59
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Well I heard big money has come out against this law, so it'll go away soon enough. I think we can stop caring about it now.

My question is, how can a person say he/she won't serve gays specifically because they're gay, and in the very next sentence say they don't have anything against gay people?

Please reread. It isn't not refusing to serving folks because they are gay. I'd let anyone buy my pastries or what not. But I won't involve myself in an event (by supplying a "wedding cake") that directly contravenes my deeply held religious beliefs.
One is general commerce. The other is a direct contribution/involvement in an activity I hold sinful.
There is a difference, if you'd open your closed mind enough to see it.
Would you serve people that have already been divorced once and are getting remarried? Those that engaged in premarital sexual intercourse?

The problem here is it always seems that these stances all take a stop at gay marriage and nothing else.

I always wonder what people will say to god when god asks about how they treated their fellow man.

They aren't bound to live by anyone elses standards but their own. There's no book of government "approved" religious beliefs.
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:16:17
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And to think I thought Lilith Fair was a *** fest...

Yeah, see, the problem is, you had that thought in the first place.

Then again, sometimes you're joking, sometimes you're entirely serious, and sometimes you're hiding your serious sentiments behind jokes to make them come off as softer.

It can be hard to tease the three apart sometimes. -.-;

A rare triple entendre !
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:18:35
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Gay people that are Christian...my mind is blown !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-02 09:19:06
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fonewear said: »
Not all liberals are dirty some of them shower !

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-02 09:19:35
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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It will never cease to amaze me how people rally around hate.

And it will never cease to amaze me that the people frothing at the mouths on the other side of the fence don't realize that hate is the very thing they're using as a weapon against it.
While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.

This country is not made only for the religious and should not be governed as such. It does not infringe upon a persons personal beleifs. I don't get how serving at a wedding is any different than serving them in general either. Do you draw the line when you see a gay married couple walk into your establishment? The whole thing seems ridiculous anyways.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-02 09:20:38
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Add in the people like Nausi who want to support them just because he hates gay people and wants to stick it to the dirty liberals...
Projecting another argument.

You should really check that.

That you can't see they're related is just another part of the problem.

It's okay. You've got plenty of company, I'm sure you'll do just fine anyhow.
I'm sure that if there was a gofundme page asking for legal fees to sue that pizza place for discrimination, you would fund it because you hate straight people who wants to stick it against poor, innocent gay people.

See how that works?

Not making that argument, but trying to show the hypocrisy you are portraying.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-02 09:21:02
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Asura.Emoneaone said: »
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Well I heard big money has come out against this law, so it'll go away soon enough. I think we can stop caring about it now.

My question is, how can a person say he/she won't serve gays specifically because they're gay, and in the very next sentence say they don't have anything against gay people?

Please reread. It isn't not refusing to serving folks because they are gay. I'd let anyone buy my pastries or what not. But I won't involve myself in an event (by supplying a "wedding cake") that directly contravenes my deeply held religious beliefs.
One is general commerce. The other is a direct contribution/involvement in an activity I hold sinful.
There is a difference, if you'd open your closed mind enough to see it.
Would you serve people that have already been divorced once and are getting remarried? Those that engaged in premarital sexual intercourse?

The problem here is it always seems that these stances all take a stop at gay marriage and nothing else.

I always wonder what people will say to god when god asks about how they treated their fellow man.

They aren't bound to live by anyone elses standards but their own. There's no book of government "approved" religious beliefs.
So it's just bigotry then? You pick and choose the religious laws you wish to follow? Which ones are too sinful and which ones aren't?

If that is the case wouldn't that kinda make the whole religious argument moot?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-02 09:21:24
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.
Determining what is just and unjust is subjective.
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:21:39
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Clearly we need a gay only pizza shop.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-02 09:22:04
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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It will never cease to amaze me how people rally around hate.

And it will never cease to amaze me that the people frothing at the mouths on the other side of the fence don't realize that hate is the very thing they're using as a weapon against it.
While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.

This country is not made only for the religious and should not be governed as such. It does not infringe upon a persons personal beleifs. I don't get how serving at a wedding is any different than serving them in general either. Do you draw the line when you see a gay married couple walk into your establishment? The whole thing seems ridiculous anyways.

So using death threats is perfectly acceptable as long as the cause is just? Shitting on this family in fact such a cause?

The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-02 09:23:28
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
If that is the case wouldn't that kinda make the whole religious argument moot?

This has been one of my biggest gripes with religion for years, one shared by several very religious people I know. You don't get to claim to follow Jesus, but only certain parts of what he said because this group of people is icky to you.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-02 09:24:06
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Determining what is just and unjust is subjective.
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The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.

So...segregation is/was okay?
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:25:32
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Segregation only works in determining what part of town you live in !

Whites on this side of the street. Blacks over there somewhere. We have strict guidelines about where races can live.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-02 09:26:21
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Determining what is just and unjust is subjective.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.

So...segregation is/was okay?

Segregation isn't ok because segregation was "government" instituted racism.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-02 09:27:37
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Add in the people like Nausi who want to support them just because he hates gay people and wants to stick it to the dirty liberals...
Projecting another argument.

You should really check that.

That you can't see they're related is just another part of the problem.

It's okay. You've got plenty of company, I'm sure you'll do just fine anyhow.
I'm sure that if there was a gofundme page asking for legal fees to sue that pizza place for discrimination, you would fund it because you hate straight people who wants to stick it against poor, innocent gay people.

See how that works?

Not making that argument, but trying to show the hypocrisy you are portraying.
Hate straight people that want to stick it to poor innocent gay people? lol...

That's not how it works in any case and that's a silly example. There are no grounds for a discrimination suit at this point anyways.

I don't get why you guys have a problem with this anyways. If a company came out and said it was pro abortion and then people who were anti-abortion came out and said they no longer wish to support this business publicly or posted on Yelp would you have an issue with it?

Personally I don't really care whether or nto people refuse service and the outcome of that is on them. Public opinion is preety powerful and if I choose not to frequent an establishment because of their business practices then I don't see a problem with that either or making other people aware of why I don't.

The bigger issue though is the slippery slope that this could lead to. Can a power company refuse to provide electricity because they don't support a certain lifestyle? Can a grocery store? Can anyone for whatever reason and just cite religion?
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:28:53
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Gay electricity make it happen ! While we are at it let's apply sexuality to everything we do. Walking talking etc.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-02 09:29:54
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
It will never cease to amaze me how people rally around hate.

And it will never cease to amaze me that the people frothing at the mouths on the other side of the fence don't realize that hate is the very thing they're using as a weapon against it.
While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.

This country is not made only for the religious and should not be governed as such. It does not infringe upon a persons personal beleifs. I don't get how serving at a wedding is any different than serving them in general either. Do you draw the line when you see a gay married couple walk into your establishment? The whole thing seems ridiculous anyways.

So using death threats is perfectly acceptable as long as the cause is just? Shitting on this family in fact such a cause?

The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.
Did you not read my post? Or are you like politicians who like to ignore the whole to focus on the most outrageous action and then double down on that?

No death threats are not ok. According to you though they should be as long as there are no actions taken. I mean wasn't it you yesterday that was talking about how all speech is protected? You can spew hateful speech but appearantly if its against your cause then you like to play the victim lol... Talk about hypocrisy.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Segregation isn't ok because segregation was "government" instituted racism.

With schools, sure.

But it was also practiced on a private level in restaurants, etc.
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:31:16
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I believe in the first amendment as long as it doesn't offend my sensibilities !

Once you infringe upon a feeling we need to make a law against it.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-02 09:32:45
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.
Determining what is just and unjust is subjective.
Not really. On a personal level for sure. On a national or state level it's less subjective. We may not all agree on everything but there is a collective understanding. That's why we elect representatives and create laws to be governed by.
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Determining what is just and unjust is subjective.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.

So...segregation is/was okay?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-02 09:33:08
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
It will never cease to amaze me how people rally around hate.

And it will never cease to amaze me that the people frothing at the mouths on the other side of the fence don't realize that hate is the very thing they're using as a weapon against it.
While I will admit some people do take it too far but fighting against an unjust action is not using hate as a weapon against it.

This country is not made only for the religious and should not be governed as such. It does not infringe upon a persons personal beleifs. I don't get how serving at a wedding is any different than serving them in general either. Do you draw the line when you see a gay married couple walk into your establishment? The whole thing seems ridiculous anyways.

So using death threats is perfectly acceptable as long as the cause is just? Shitting on this family in fact such a cause?

The only way this works is that everyone has a right to refuse service per if it violates their beliefs.
Did you not read my post? Or are you like politicians who like to ignore the whole to focus on the most outrageous action and then double down on that?

No death threats are not ok. According to you though they should be as long as there are no actions taken. I mean wasn't it you yesterday that was talking about how all speech is protected? You can spew hateful speech but appearantly if its against your cause then you like to play the victim lol... Talk about hypocrisy.
Again you didn't comprehend anything I wrote, my point was I can call you names, I cannot incite violence or make threats. Everyone accepts these exceptions to "free speech".
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:33:55
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Really ? I thought we elected representatives to make us feel !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-02 09:35:27
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I don't get why you guys have a problem with this anyways. If a company came out and said it was pro abortion and then people who were anti-abortion came out and said they no longer wish to support this business publicly or posted on Yelp would you have an issue with it?

Nope. If the business was shut down due to intimidation and threats sparked by a sensationalist, cherry-picking media, then I would be in full support of the company, though. I condemn such tactics when they're coming from my side of the fence too. It's a novel idea, you guys should try it sometime.
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By fonewear 2015-04-02 09:36:49
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So in order to enjoy Starbucks I have to protest all the *** they do that is unrelated to coffee. I get it now !

I'm going to boycott them till they believe what I believe damn it !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-02 09:36:51
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
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Segregation isn't ok because segregation was "government" instituted racism.

With schools, sure.

But it was also practiced on a private level in restaurants, etc.

You mean in like ethic clubs in schools and colleges?
Or perhaps even sexist businesses like "curves"?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-02 09:38:01
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
That's not how it works in any case and that's a silly example.
So, it's perfectly ok when you create a hate-filled argument to fight "injustice" but when it is used against you, "that's not how it works" and "it's a silly example."

Sure, whatever bub.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I don't get why you guys have a problem with this anyways. If a company came out and said it was pro abortion and then people who were anti-abortion came out and said they no longer wish to support this business publicly or posted on Yelp would you have an issue with it?
Who said I have an issue with this? Notice I have been very quiet about the whole issue?

Thanks for lumping me in there bub.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrites as they are.
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