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 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-13 13:10:52
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Yeah and then you would ask for a source to such bold statements. Like you don't know that wouldn't be the rebuttal..
You can't cite independent thoughts. Just the place(s) that made you think differently.
Yet everyone is always asking for it when a statement is made. Go figure.
You're just pretending to not see the issue it seems.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-13 13:14:14
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I get it. Something like cancer research is more understandable to you. However, what is and isn't true doesn't revolve around what you're able to understand.
If I don't understand something I question it until I do. Otherwise I rarely take it on faith alone. Especially when there is a lot of controversy from both sides.
There isn't though, there's a consensus on the one side and big oil backed political nonsense on the other. I don't even include your "Gore" crap into it as he's irrelevant.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:15:20
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You've all convinced me. I am a believer supporter of the claims on climate change now!
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-13 13:15:41
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah and then you would ask for a source to such bold statements. Like you don't know that wouldn't be the rebuttal..
You can't cite independent thoughts. Just the place(s) that made you think differently.
Yet everyone is always asking for it when a statement is made. Go figure.
You're just pretending to not see the issue it seems.
There's a difference for asking for somebody to cite an opinion, and to cite an assertion/claim.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:18:49
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah and then you would ask for a source to such bold statements. Like you don't know that wouldn't be the rebuttal..
You can't cite independent thoughts. Just the place(s) that made you think differently.
Yet everyone is always asking for it when a statement is made. Go figure.
You're just pretending to not see the issue it seems.
Just poking holes in people's logic.
The issue really isn't relevant imo in this case, sure, you got me there.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-13 13:21:17
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Just poking holes in people's logic.
The issue really isn't relevant imo in this case, sure, you got me there.

Except you're not actually doing that. You're selectively ignoring most rebuttals and answering only what you want to answer. When you don't have an actual reply, you just post empty rhetoric.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-13 13:22:56
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You've all convinced me. I am a believer supporter of the claims on climate change now!
I seriously wonder why anyone argues with you. You seem to have nominal interest in your own beliefs, make trite and throwaway comments on an almost compulsive basis, and appear to largely be interested in fomenting annoyance more than debate or conversation.

I'd comment further, but you do rather advertise your modus operandi in your username.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:24:15
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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Just poking holes in people's logic.
The issue really isn't relevant imo in this case, sure, you got me there.

Except you're not actually doing that. You're selectively ignoring most rebuttals and answering only what you want to answer. When you don't have an actual reply, you just post empty rhetoric.
Why should I when no one answers the most basic questions about the formation of such a conclusion?

Seems very one sided. So I work with that.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:25:47
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You've all convinced me. I am a believer supporter of the claims on climate change now!
I seriously wonder why anyone argues with you. You seem to have nominal interest in your own beliefs, make trite and throwaway comments on an almost compulsive basis, and appear to largely be interested in fomenting annoyance more than debate or conversation.

I'd comment further, but you do rather advertise your modus operandi in your username.
I would guess boredom. But that's just speculation.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-13 13:28:47
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You've all convinced me. I am a believer supporter of the claims on climate change now!
I seriously wonder why anyone argues with you. You seem to have nominal interest in your own beliefs, make trite and throwaway comments on an almost compulsive basis, and appear to largely be interested in fomenting annoyance more than debate or conversation.

I'd comment further, but you do rather advertise your modus operandi in your username.
I would guess boredom. But that's just speculation.
Should really do a study on that. End the speculation.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:30:14
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
You've all convinced me. I am a believer supporter of the claims on climate change now!
I seriously wonder why anyone argues with you. You seem to have nominal interest in your own beliefs, make trite and throwaway comments on an almost compulsive basis, and appear to largely be interested in fomenting annoyance more than debate or conversation.

I'd comment further, but you do rather advertise your modus operandi in your username.
I would guess boredom. But that's just speculation.
Should really do a study on that. End the speculation.
Working on it >:D
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Trying not to break the 4th wall too much though.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-13 13:31:30
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Why should I when no one answers the most basic questions about the formation of such a conclusion?

Unless this is another tide-goes-in, tide-goes-out question, I believe the general idea behind AGW have been explained.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-13 13:33:54
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I just heard on the news that the antarctic melting is irreversible now, and so is global warming.

Whew, glad we don't need to pour anymore money into it. Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:36:46
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I just heard on the news that the antarctic melting is irreversible now, and so is global warming.

Whew, glad we don't need to pour anymore money into it. Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?
Actually I heard that the antarctic ice is getting bigger.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-13 13:39:04
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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I just heard on the news that the antarctic melting is irreversible now, and so is global warming.

Whew, glad we don't need to pour anymore money into it. Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?
Actually I heard that the antarctic ice is getting bigger.
Of course it is, have you any idea how cold the weather is down there?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-13 13:39:08
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?

Even if AGW wasn't a thing, I don't particularly enjoy breathing that stuff in.

Why are you guys pro-CO2 emissions again?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-13 13:40:36
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?

Even if AGW wasn't a thing, I don't particularly enjoy breathing that stuff in.

Why are you guys pro-CO2 emissions again?
Jokes on you, we were breathing in CO2 before there were cars.

I'm pro co2 cause most co2 is emitted in the process of generating power and there is a direct relationship to the amount of power one consumes to their quality of life.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:41:27
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I just heard on the news that the antarctic melting is irreversible now, and so is global warming.

Whew, glad we don't need to pour anymore money into it. Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?
Actually I heard that the antarctic ice is getting bigger.
Of course it is, have you any idea how cold the weather is down there?
I think it's because the hole in the ozone is over the north pole and not the south, but I could be wrong.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:43:10
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?

Even if AGW wasn't a thing, I don't particularly enjoy breathing that stuff in.

Why are you guys pro-CO2 emissions again?
Decaying plant life and animals (including humans) emit CO2, no?

Can't we just let cows fart in peace?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-13 13:44:28
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Can we all loosen up the restrictions on co2 emissions now? I mean its pointless now right?

Even if AGW wasn't a thing, I don't particularly enjoy breathing that stuff in.

Why are you guys pro-CO2 emissions again?
Jokes on you, we were breathing in CO2 before there were cars.

I'm pro co2 cause most co2 is emitted in the process of generating power and there is a direct relationship to the amount of power one consumes to their quality of life.
why are you limiting it to just cars? There are quite a few things that cause air pollution. Also, there was nothing in the history of mankind with relative size or scope to the amount of pollution we creat today.

Personally I think it's already bad enough and I don't want to end up like other places where the air pollution is so thick it actually remains visible. So bad that it's recomended that I walk around with a mask on to reduce the negative effects it may have on my body.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-05-13 13:44:33
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I'm pro co2 cause most co2 is emitted in the process of generating power and there is a direct relationship to the amount of power one consumes to their quality of life.

That's actually not a bad way to justify it. So you'd totally be cool with humoring us and cutting CO2 emissions if there are other sources of energy that's cheaper and more efficient?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-13 13:44:38
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There were various studies that said the ice caps were melting at an alarming rate, and to a degree they were, considering the region. With the global climate in perpetual flux, now there are studies, from many of the same researchers stating that the ice is now forming at an alarming rate.

The general fluctuation (where as we had little knowledge of the ice caps prior) is cause for study. The lack of understanding of the fluctuation is where cause for concern and fear sets in.

Even experts in the field aren't quite sure what it means, but they can only go on currently known hypotheticals, unless something happens that causes a drastic change in thinking about it.

Then they have to formulate a new theory and explanation based off of the data they've collected and analyze it to use in an experiment, if in fact a reasonable experiment can be conducted at a smaller scale.

If it can't be, then they have to use hypothesis, collected data, to show a reasonable explanation as why something is happening.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:46:33
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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I'm pro co2 cause most co2 is emitted in the process of generating power and there is a direct relationship to the amount of power one consumes to their quality of life.

That's actually not a bad way to justify it. So you'd totally be cool with humoring us and cutting CO2 emissions if there are other sources of energy that's cheaper and more efficient?
Who wouldn't be? That's why the research into fusion is needed, where it can actually be put to good use.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-13 13:46:35
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-13 13:47:09
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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I'm pro co2 cause most co2 is emitted in the process of generating power and there is a direct relationship to the amount of power one consumes to their quality of life.

That's actually not a bad way to justify it. So you'd totally be cool with humoring us and cutting CO2 emissions if there are other sources of energy that's cheaper and more efficient, and practical?

as corrected in general terms, sure.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-13 13:47:45
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So nuclear energy.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-13 13:48:09
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
There were various studies that said the ice caps were melting at an alarming rate, and to a degree they were, considering the region. With the global climate in perpetual flux, now there are studies, from many of the same researchers stating that the ice is now forming at an alarming rate.

The general fluctuation (where as we had little knowledge of the ice caps prior) is cause for study. The lack of understanding of the fluctuation is where cause for concern and fear sets in.

Even experts in the field aren't quite sure what it means, but they can only go on currently known hypotheticals, unless something happens that causes a drastic change in thinking about it.

Then they have to formulate a new theory and explanation based off of the data they've collected and analyze it to use in an experiment, if in fact a reasonable experiment can be conducted at a smaller scale.

If it can't be, then they have to use hypothesis, collected data, to show a reasonable explanation as why something is happening.
I thought the science was settled?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 13:50:39
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
So nuclear energy.
Well actually if you use Helium-3 for fusion (sorry used fission before) it's not labeled as radioactive.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-13 13:52:46
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People claiming the science is settled, and the science being settled are two invariably different things.

But as I pointed out, there has been little evidence to show contrary to humans having and increasingly large effect on the environment, since one of our greatest tools is to manipulate the environment to suit our needs. By doing so, we destroy so that we can create.

Essentially humanity is chaos in this sense.

Edit: Not everything we create is necessarily a boon, and not everything we destroy is a boon either. Sometimes we create our own disadvantages by ignoring the longterm effects of what we destroy.
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