ACA Reaches Sign Up Goal Of 7.1 Million...

Last I checked, nowhere in the constitution does it say congress MUST past laws. Last I checked, we the people give government power to uphold and pass laws that are JUST and dare I say Perfect. The ACA is a massive failure passed by one party, with no regard to what it would do to the economy and despite what the supreme court says is at least borderline Unconstitutional.

Dare all you like. ***in one hand, dream of perfection in the other, tell me which fills up first.

Part of what is wrong with this country... Democrats and Republics... Really we as a country strive to stop the divides when it comes to race, sex, sexual preference, young vs old and so on and son on ... yet we have 2 parties that cant get along, cant talk, cant do ***together and for damn sure none of them have the true feeling of the people that they should be supporting. It is all a *** joke...

Obama forced this through to get back at the Rep party and prove he could do it, Rep party didnt want to pass it cause they see the holes but didnt want to share on how to fix them and work together... in the mean time the insurance companies have been licking their fingers waiting for it to get pushed through and forced on ppl. Over the past 4 years look at the cost of health care and the cost of benefits you may get from work... if you look you see that every year since this has been announced and he said he was going to force it they have increased drastically compared to previous years. You want to know the problem... ACA is NOT AFFORDABLE!!!!! I got a 8% raise last year.. this year my pay checks are over $300 lower than they were before and all because of forced benefit costs with the ACA. If our so called pres wanted to get it right why didnt he put regulations on the insurance companies to not jack ppl and instead force them to create cost beneficial policies for the lower income families that cant get them... instead it has turned into my rates going up, since I pay them, so that the lower/non-paying individuals/families can get insurance... bunch of bull ***in my opinion and NO ONE thought this through with any real feeling for the ppl.

ftfy

"So-called"? He's the President-elect, unlike his predecessor.

Anyhow, why didn't he put those regulations in? POSSIBLY BECAUSE IT ISN'T HIS JOB!

The President does not write legislation.
The President does not write legislation.
The President does not write legislation!

Why didn't Congress put in those regulations? Well, because they did, and then the Republican Party took them out. Although I'm sure it would have still been flawed, if the Republicans had done nothing, we would have gotten better legislation than this hacked-up mess of compromises and selling-points meant to appease people who explicitly refused to cooperate.

so you are saying he admittedly forced something on the ppl knowing it was a hacked-up mess to prove a point? if he was going to push it through why not just push through what he "thought" would be good legislation? and you are kidding your self if you think he cannot put regulations down for insurance companies.

You clearly don't understand legislature. The president does not have the means to write everything up perfectly and just pass it through.

Sadly, most Americans seem to think like you, unless it's the legislation passed during the presidency of their favored candidate... then they suddenly seem to know that the president doesn't get to implement legislature as he wants it, verbatim.

If it was written by the other why did they not try and pass it when the had the house, senate and sitting president?

It was written in the early 90's, before both* parties shifted hardcore to the right.

The ACA has definitely filled both hands up with ***.

So it was passed exactly how it was written in the early 90's? I highly doubt it.

I do too, I hadn't read entirely into it, but the major parts, including the insurance mandate were.

Also you should really look into the Romneycare that was passed by Romney, as it is almost the same thing.

I'm sure somebody else who's more interesting in arguing against your paranoid delusions may be entertained enough to do the research, I'm not quite that bored yet.

As to the "perfect legislation" thing earlier: what you're talking of is impossible, even if we had statesmen instead of the politician ***we have. It was impossible when we drafted the Constitution, and anyone with a brain realizes that.


Note how it says "more perfect" not perfect, it's a "try" session.

It really does not matter, republicans held all three chambers a few times since the 90's and it was never brought to the floor.
So your point is moot. Does Romneycare force people to buy ins?

Comparisons between ACA and the Republican-crafted legislation:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/
and Massachusetts health care reform:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/romneycare-vs-obamacare-key-similarities-differences/

Both plans had a mandate, yes.

Funny when I read that the ACA does not fit any of it. The ACA actually takes away from it......

Matter of opinion.

But nice distraction from admitting that your argument holds no merit.

There is no law that says you have to get your health insurance through your employer. There is a law that says your employer merely has to provide a health care option. If you don't like the amount of money being taken out of your paycheck, you should probably take the initiative to find cheaper health insurance policies that meet your needs.

Either way it still comes out of your paycheck.

Neither does yours.

My argument that your argument holds no merit? I just proved that yours doesn't, you make zero sense.

You proved that Republicans wrote it two decades ago and never brought it to the floor to be voted on. Sounds to me that they thought it wasn't going to work. Thanks for the help.

That was a different discussion in this thread, learn to differentiate between the two discussions.

I never proved or mentioned anything about them bringing it to the floor or voting on it, nor did I argue against your assertion of the subject, I don't feel like researching whether or not they did so I dropped that, we were talking about something else, really try to keep up.

Or the same reason most bills don't make it to the floor - it didn't have enough votes to pass.

Um no.. you rewrote my words and said ftfy, thus prompting me to call out your b.s. Its not my fault you don't wanna research why they did not bring it to the floor for 20yrs. So next time you wanna keep talking about the current topic, don't bring up stuff that derails the tread. ktxbye.

More like the majority of republicans said no to it for 20 years cause they thought it was b.s. Just because a small group of republicans write something doesn't mean they all approve.

Again: wasn't my argument at all, and the point you're talking about (which I had already dropped) isn't moot at all, it's very relevant to the discussion of the way politics has progressed in the past 20 years.

You guys are sad: it was drafted by the Heritage Group then championed by Bob Dole in his 94 campaign. Dole lost pretty handedly and everything supported by him was dropped by the party, (except viagra). That's the way the political cookie crumbles. Everything is a popularity contest when it comes to politics.

um... yes, again I dropped that point and was talking about something else entirely when you brought it back up, and I corrected you because you were wrong. I don't give a ***why it wasn't brought to the floor, that's the difference.

You're the one who keeps bringing up something I already had dropped...

loldole

Sorry, couldn't help it. XD