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Skip the tip, restaurant CEO says
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-03-22 11:08:43
Quote: No need for your internal Emily Post to debate the merits of 15 percent or 18 percent here. At Noodles & Co. (NDLS -1.63%), the recommended tip is nothing.
"Respect doesn't cost you anything," Noodles CEO and Chairman Kevin Reddy said in an interview. "Being nice doesn't cost you anything, and we don't really feel that folks should have to pay something additional for us to appreciate that they're choosing us over another restaurant."
The no-tipping policy also plays into an emphasis on relative value at Noodles, which has about 380 locations in 29 states and Washington, D.C., that serve a variety of noodle and pasta dishes, he added. The average meal sets diners back about $8 -- a price tag that's higher than those of fast-food giants like McDonald's (MCD -1.17%) or Wendy's (WEN -1.08%) but lower than those of casual dining chains like Darden Restaurants' (DRI +2.76%) Olive Garden or DineEquity's (DIN +0.12%) Applebee's.
"We don't want our guests to feel we're trying to upsell them," Reddy added. "We'd rather have them feel we'd rather upserve them than upsell them. That's why we're really cautious even about the price increases we pass on."
Reddy stressed that the recommended policy isn't about denying team members tips since the policy means that Noodles must pay workers enough to make sure that it's not an issue. (He also mentioned that some customers insist on tipping despite the policy, which workers will then accept.)
While the company did not share payroll data, Noodles mostly pays workers above minimum wage, Reddy said. Since its pay is generally higher, potential hikes in the minimum wage rate won't affect the business too much, he added.
In recent months, the federal minimum wage has been a hot-button issue. Last month, President Barack Obama boosted the minimum pay for federal contractors hired in the future to $10.10 per hour. He's also voiced his support for the federal level for all workers to rise to $10.10 from the current $7.25. Separately, organized protests of fast food workers have lobbied for a jump to $15.
If minimum wage rose much higher than expected, the move could reset expectations across the industry, Reddy said.
Although he said he supports the idea of trying to pay people fairly, he doesn't think there's an easy answer to the minimum wage debate.
"I'm not opposed to things that help folks, but I'm also very pragmatic and I'm frustrated at times that good intentions don't get executed well and that there is waste in our government," he said. "So to me, I think as a society we should help people and set up a system where people can be successful and have high self-esteem."
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-22 11:20:50
If tipping factors into whether or not you can afford to eat out, I'd say you have some serious priority issues.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-03-22 11:24:42
Believe it or not, but most businesses would prefer to have repeat customers more often, even if they don't/can't tip, than those who may come once in a while, even if you do tip well.
It shows you have a vested interest in the restaurant, the people, and enjoy the food and service.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-22 11:27:42
inb4 "pay the waiters/waitresses a living wage" argument.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-22 11:32:12
If tipping factors into whether or not you can afford to eat out, I'd say you have some serious priority issues. I know people who eat out and don't tip because they can't afford it. I tell them that then they shouldn't eat out. That being said: imo it depends on the place of business. I'm sorry but I don't tip at buffets where I may see them twice at most...
Granted I've been trying to not go to those, or eat out much anymore, but it's hard when my coworkers love to, and I like to get out of the office for a bit.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2014-03-22 11:35:35
I would rather pay more for the meal than be expected to pay for good service.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-22 11:47:06
I would rather pay for the meal and give a little extra to somebody who gives good service.
To enforce a "no tip" rule would just placate the service at the restaurant.
Of course, it is up to the manager or owner to make sure the service doesn't slack, but they can't be around all the time, and all it takes is one lazy manager to have service slip for an extended period of time.
By fonewear 2014-03-22 12:17:15
Here's a "tip" get a different job. We discussed tipping at length not too long ago if I remember correctly.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-03-22 12:48:28
Here's a "tip" get a different job. We discussed tipping at length not too long ago if I remember correctly.
Its more about whether it's prudent for a CEO to try to enforce a no gratuity policy if it's going to significantly impact the income of his employees. Moreover, it should be up to the customer if they want to tip an exceptional server, I would even if they had a policy in place, I'd just do it discretely.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-03-22 12:52:53
I tip if I eat in. If I call it in and get it to go, I generally don't (or just round the change up to the nearest dollar. So 5.45 I'd just give 6)
If I'm not being served, I don't feel I need to tip.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-22 12:53:25
Quote: Reddy stressed that the recommended policy isn't about denying team members tips since the policy means that Noodles must pay workers enough to make sure that it's not an issue. (He also mentioned that some customers insist on tipping despite the policy, which workers will then accept.) just in case people didn't read it...
By Jetackuu 2014-03-22 12:53:54
I don't tip for carry-out.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-22 12:54:10
I tip if I eat in. If I call it in and get it to go, I generally don't (or just round the change up to the nearest dollar. So 5.45 I'd just give 6)
If I'm not being served, I don't feel I need to tip. Agreed.
That is what I hate the most. I pickup or even go through the drive thru and I get asked for a tip.
People seem to think that tips should be mandatory....
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-03-22 13:03:50
I'll usually go into this small place called Kristina's. Probably 2-3 times a week. It has much better food than chain breakfast restaurants and is incredibly cheaper
(3 egg bacon/cheese omlete is 4.95; vs 8 bucks at iHop) then each extra egg is 50 cents, so I make it a 7 egg omelet for 6.95 (comes with has browns and toast).
Sometimes I'll eat there. Will tip 2.50 if paying w/ card, or 3 if paying cash, so 30-40%. I'm little trouble. They bring the drink once and never have to refill (I eat fast); in and out in about 10 minutes and they never even have to check on me. Literally the easiest customer you can get.
So yea, when I don't feel like eating in and call in to go, I'm just gonna pay the 7 bucks and gtfo
Edit:
Damn it, now I want Kristina's. Looks like I'll try to get Ghaleon to head there w/ me tonight
By fonewear 2014-03-22 13:09:57
People at Starbucks now want tips for "handing me a cup of coffee". I would probably tip if they are nice and bring me my coffee to my table. Otherwise no thanks.
I do think bartenders and waiters deserve tips though. Most of them work hard for that tip.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-22 13:11:02
People at Starbucks now want tips for "handing me a cup of coffee". I would probably tip if they are nice and bring me my coffee to my table. Otherwise no thanks.
Starbucks stopped accepting tips 5yrs ago.
By fonewear 2014-03-22 13:11:27
People at Starbucks now want tips for "handing me a cup of coffee". I would probably tip if they are nice and bring me my coffee to my table. Otherwise no thanks.
Starbucks stopped accepting tips 5yrs ago.
Not true they just released an app for your phone to tip them.
http://www.clickz.com/clickz/news/2334152/starbucks-to-roll-out-digital-tip-and-shake-to-pay-app-features
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By Valefor.Blizz 2014-03-22 13:26:27
Why bother to tip name one waiter or waitress or delivery driver that truthfully reports all there tips. They play the system to there benefit. State assistance higher tax refunds weaker child support payments.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-22 13:50:46
I disagree with tipping for a couple of reasons.
1.) It was originally meant to be reserved for exceptional service. It was an additional thank-you, on top of the server's wage. Now, with everyone and their furby getting tips for just normal (or even sub-par) service, it takes the gratitude out of it.
One of my friends moved to a new development community that was kind of hard to find at first, so when she ordered a pizza she tried to give directions. They wouldn't listen. The delivery girl got lost on her way to the new house, which was understandable, but when she called to get directions she was quite rude about the house being hard to find. My friend stood outside on the porch so they could find the place easier, and when she told the delivery girl that she was on the porch, the girl snapped into the phone "There's NO ONE on ANY porches!" because she was on the wrong road. She was rude the entire time my pal was trying to give her directions, and even ruder when my friend tried to figure out where she actually was so she could help.
Then when she finally did show up, she was rude and crabby about having been lost. She shoved the pizza forcibly into my pal's hands and just dropped the soda on the porch. And... my friend gave her the exact same tip that she would have given a polite deliverer.
Tipping is meaningless because being expected to tip everyone takes the thank-you out of it.
2.) It allows restaurants to pay below minimum wage, even down to less than $3 an hour. ( http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm) I can understand not paying servers a bajillion and two dollars for pouring you a drink, but making LESS than minimum wage is just simply not ok.
This does two things. One, it forces the server to depend on the generosity of others for their livelihood. Not really ok. Two, it makes the customer pay the employee's wage as opposed to the employer paying the employee's wage. Of course, customers pay the employees' wages indirectly anyways, but having customers directly pay the wages takes the safety net out for the employees.
I see your "if you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out" and raise you an "if a business cannot afford to pay employees minimum wage, then they cannot afford to have a business."
I realize that I'm the minority here-- most people consider tipping to be simple good manners. But I'm not exactly alone, either.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abolish_tipping_it_s_bad_for_servers_customers_and_restaurants.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/19/ban-tipping-restaurants-debate-bad-economics
http://theweek.com/article/index/248286/why-restaurants-should-get-rid-of-tipping
I'd much rather eat at a restaurant that did not allow tipping. I know, I know, most of you simply won't agree, but that's just me. I'd love it if restaurants did away with the weird and awkward tipping tradition.
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By fonewear 2014-03-22 13:52:58
You have to consider that people getting tips can make more than your hourly wages though. So people boo hooing people that work for less than min. wage can far surpass min. wage.
To me tipping encourages workers to work hard to earn their tips. Working for a flat hourly rate doesn't motivate me to work any harder than anyone else.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-22 13:53:52
You have to consider that people getting tips can make more than your hourly wages though. So people boo hooing people that work for less than min. wage can far surpass min. wage.
They COULD make more. Or, they could make less. It's going to depend on how busy the place is, how much they were able to serve, how generous people were feeling, etc. Like I said, it takes the safety net away.
By fonewear 2014-03-22 13:54:47
What incentive do I have to work hard if I don't make more working at a flat wage ?
By Tymoris 2014-03-22 13:55:41
Another CEO trying to do his marketing thing on the backs of his employees.
Tipping should always be left in the discretion of the customer not the owner since he is not the one serving the customers nor he has any right to tell how the customer should treat his or her wallet.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-03-22 13:55:49
I realize that I'm the minority here-- most people consider tipping to be simple good manners. But I'm not exactly alone, either. I do it pretty much for that reason, and I generally stick with a lower percentage, unless, of course, the service is exceptional or my bill is so low that idc if it's 40%, it's only 2 bucks.
By fonewear 2014-03-22 13:57:34
I think tipping is good because it shows you appreciate the service you are getting. And it is more fair than hey if you work hard or you are lazy you get the same amount of money.
By Jetackuu 2014-03-22 14:00:24
@Liela: I wouldn't have paid for the damn pizza, much less tip the ***.
By fonewear 2014-03-22 14:00:39
I much rather take the risk to earn more money than work at an hourly wage and know I can't make more.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-03-22 14:02:30
I much rather take the risk to earn more money than work at an hourly wage and know I can't make more. That's not really the issue. I'm fine with tipping good service.
The issue is the people who do give shitty service and still feel entitled to a tip because it's customary to do here
By fonewear 2014-03-22 14:04:11
Again no one is saying you have to work at a job that gets tips. If you don't like it work somewhere else. But don't take away the opportunity of others that can make more on tips.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-03-22 14:05:14
I'd tip anyways for good service regardless. I just don't care to feel obligated to tip shitty servers.
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Quote: No need for your internal Emily Post to debate the merits of 15 percent or 18 percent here. At Noodles & Co. (NDLS -1.63%), the recommended tip is nothing.
"Respect doesn't cost you anything," Noodles CEO and Chairman Kevin Reddy said in an interview. "Being nice doesn't cost you anything, and we don't really feel that folks should have to pay something additional for us to appreciate that they're choosing us over another restaurant."
The no-tipping policy also plays into an emphasis on relative value at Noodles, which has about 380 locations in 29 states and Washington, D.C., that serve a variety of noodle and pasta dishes, he added. The average meal sets diners back about $8 -- a price tag that's higher than those of fast-food giants like McDonald's (MCD -1.17%) or Wendy's (WEN -1.08%) but lower than those of casual dining chains like Darden Restaurants' (DRI +2.76%) Olive Garden or DineEquity's (DIN +0.12%) Applebee's.
"We don't want our guests to feel we're trying to upsell them," Reddy added. "We'd rather have them feel we'd rather upserve them than upsell them. That's why we're really cautious even about the price increases we pass on."
Reddy stressed that the recommended policy isn't about denying team members tips since the policy means that Noodles must pay workers enough to make sure that it's not an issue. (He also mentioned that some customers insist on tipping despite the policy, which workers will then accept.)
While the company did not share payroll data, Noodles mostly pays workers above minimum wage, Reddy said. Since its pay is generally higher, potential hikes in the minimum wage rate won't affect the business too much, he added.
In recent months, the federal minimum wage has been a hot-button issue. Last month, President Barack Obama boosted the minimum pay for federal contractors hired in the future to $10.10 per hour. He's also voiced his support for the federal level for all workers to rise to $10.10 from the current $7.25. Separately, organized protests of fast food workers have lobbied for a jump to $15.
If minimum wage rose much higher than expected, the move could reset expectations across the industry, Reddy said.
Although he said he supports the idea of trying to pay people fairly, he doesn't think there's an easy answer to the minimum wage debate.
"I'm not opposed to things that help folks, but I'm also very pragmatic and I'm frustrated at times that good intentions don't get executed well and that there is waste in our government," he said. "So to me, I think as a society we should help people and set up a system where people can be successful and have high self-esteem."
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