G.O.P. Succumbs To Rare Outbreak Of Sanity

So, basically both of you would rather let the slaves stay slaves instead of having them change their situation for themselves.

Yup, that is what you are saying.

Now now, no need to demean yourself and your friends there.

Do you guys think he is just trolling? Has to be trolling.
*Edit* Nope, seems like he's not trying to troll. Wow.

KN, in all my illustrious time here at FFXIAH.com, I have never seen such a stupid comment in years of posting here and we've had hall of fame idiots grace these halls. I think parts of my brain will no longer function having read that statement. I also can't move my arm and I think I'm having a stroke, someone help.

The combination of stupidity, ignorance, dogmatism and sheer lack of self-control regarding what rolls off the presses of your cerebrum have resulted in what I can only describe as a Pearl Harbor attack on the integrity of these forums and our good sense. You truly have mastered the GOP method of saying something so astronomically stupid in order to hold your line that you undermine your own credibility in the process.

Nausi, you're off the hook about earthquakes. Your throne has been usurped by "slavery? so easy to escape, just run." Typing that just blue screened part of me.

I am impressed he's able to type while wearing a straightjacket.

And it occurred in this thread, no less.

Might as well lock it; there's no downhill from here(that we want to visit).

You aren't walking back that stupidity, just sit and let it stew.

Today, February 14, 2014 -- a date which will live in infamy -- the FFXIAH.com forums were suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of KingNobody.

Yes, I read that in my best FDR voice.

I'd like some elaboration, where were the slaves supposed to run, what happened to the slaves that did run away, what happened to the other slaves that didn't run away. Do tell.

. . .

You know, he's been building towards that level of insanity for a while, but I still can't believe he reached it.

Well, building may be the wrong word. Digging is probably more apposite. I wasn't expecting the shovel to be replaced with a nuclear warhead, though, to speed the job along.

Er, yeah, not touching that one. Time to get the popcorn ready.

I'm just scared to ask what stupidity was said about earthquakes.

I was going to take my time and offer a thoughtful response when I got back from the gym, then I refresh my page and see I'm dealing with one of the Tunts.

Not even going to waste my time lol.

I keep forgetting, I'm dealing with the "it's too hard to do live" crowd here.

Of course, you guys make it sound like slaves running away from their masters never happened before. Nope, no such thing as the Underground Railroad here!

"Because I was born in a slave camp as a piece of property, I must forever be that piece of property! I can never change that fact and trying to change it is too hard! I'll just live my life as a slave, even though I know I'm better than that, woe is me~"

Man you guys either A) give up too easy or B) endorse slavery or C) all of the above.

Oh yay, you're running with this.

Okay, I'll play along. Mostly because the "OMG U SO STOOPID LOLZ" comments are overwhelming and essentially pointless. Sure, some slaves had/have the opportunity to improve their life situation, but it's a huge gamble that is not comparable to modern American life. If I had a minimum wage job and my life sucked, deciding to improve my situation wouldn't typically involve:
A. Risking my life.
B. Risking torture if my life was spared.
C. Risking more oppressive slavery to ensure I didn't try to escape again.
D. Risking the loss of family/friends.

They will never understand this. It requires accepting personal responsibility for ones own destiny. I didn't know this when I was younger and dumber. It's something that comes with success, focus and learning when to take risks.

Actually I think risks is the central theme here. The liberals here are extremely risk adverse, they want success to come to with without them having to take risks. They see others who are successful and make it seem easy, they see that and think that success was "lucky" and never understand that it came with risks and that every successful person has a life full of failed risks. Hell most successful business owners went through several failed business's first.

As for how I know people here are left leaning? Simple they all accuse me of being Republican or being on "the other team". On conservative forums they accuse me of being an evil socialist / liberal and being on "the other team". When both sides accuse you of working for the enemy, that's how you know your in the center.

For a lot of people it is risking A, and D.

It's like people don't think that individuals have families and lives to support or something. It's like they can arbitrarily just up and quit their job whenever they are displeased with how they're treated and just easily turn around and find another way to support their family.

"Out of touch"

Oh ***. You come in here regularly and brand us all socialist, wealth redistributing, green-eyed liberals, and if anyone dares to call you Conservative or Republican for spouting the same idealistic bootstrap nonsense those crowds regularly spew it just reinforces the bias you came in with already. Being a centrist doesn't mean that you annoy liberals (or "left-leaning", nice backtracking but a considerably more concise adjective) 50% of the time and annoy conservatives 50% of the time. It's a broad term that can encompass a large spectrum of political philosophies. (And on a side note, I actually do consider you as mostly centrist, but I'm not sure if that's only in comparison to the right-wing mouthpieces that regularly post here.)

No one here knows who you're talking about when you shoot off these generalizations. It's like watching Clint Eastwood address that empty chair. I mean, I've read through a lot of my responses here as well as the those of the regular posters and I have no idea where these insinuations comes from.

I guess because I (or we, but I don't want to speak for everyone) have the gall to believe that maybe, just maybe, our lives and our successes aren't completely in our control at all times that means I'm just simmering with jealousy and impotent rage over the ineptitude you've projected onto us. It's incredibly self-centered and unrealistic to think otherwise.

So are there any more "central themes" or "central differences" you'd like to fill us in on? How many centers does this muthafucka have?

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I never implied that they could just "up and quit their job" or that they could easily find another source of income. But I also wouldn't go as far as to say that it's impossible for most to improve their situation if they tried.

If Americans were actually educated decently: probably not, but they aren't.

It's highly improbable for most to actively seek other work when what they have is stable and even barely supporting their family, they'll even take a second shitty job to make ends meet, the market sucks, and some of the best jobs keep vanishing oversees.

It wouldn't be as much of a problem if wages kept up with inflation, and the one side didn't create such a canyon of wage disparities on the backs of their employees, but hey.

Americans are not educated decently because most choose not to be, I am not saying we have a great education system, but even if you made it better, the majority of uneducated would still choose to be uneducated because it is "hard".

While we are on it, I know that if everyone stood up and said "I want a job" there wouldn't be enough jobs out there to supply everyone, but there are tons of poor people that are poor because they choose and want to live off the system or made life choices that keep them poor, but there are tons of people that are poor because the stars didn't align for them.

I think the system should be revamped to make people go to college or learn a trade while receiving aid. Not just dole out thousands of dollars and hope someone finds a good job or wants to find a job.

Another thing is that it isn't just the republicans shipping jobs that reduces the power of the work force, it is also democrats not making good policies for American workers.

Also remember, our 200 million dollar health care site was outsourced to the Canuks. Apparently Americans can't haz da webz.

You are correct. While very few slaves were successful in escaping, many were not and were made examples of. Even the ones who were successful were made examples of in the forms of their family suffering.

That wasn't the point that I was making. The point is, those who tried and succeeded always had a better life than those who did not. Those who tried and didn't succeed, then never try again always had a worse life than those who did not try in the first place. Those who try until they succeed always have a better life than those who never tried in the first place.

Yes, life is tough, but you know what, get over it. Just because you were not born in a middle/upper class family doesn't mean that you are doomed to stay in the bottom forever. Those who were born in the bottom of the barrel and don't try to get out are going to be slaves of poverty for their entire lives, and should not complain that they are slaves because they will not do anything to get themselves freed from poverty in the first place. THAT is what the liberals want to do, they WANT to keep the poor in their place and not improve the lives of EVERYONE, they want them to be DEPENDENT of the government for their entire lives.

That is why they keep using the excuse "but what about those who were born poor? They can't leave their lifestyles so they shouldn't even try."

1. It's still not an excuse for our education system being the way it is.

2. The level of technology we've reached and population we've reached can't sustain the "work for a living" model, I've long since realized that, and you're starting to realize that. The problem with that is what to do about it, I have come up with some ideas, but most people are so appalled by the concept they won't even get to the part of admitting there's a problem, so they can't even begin contemplating how to resolve said problem.

So we can continue in our class war, which has happen before in history and has been a continuous struggle and will eventually lead to another war.

Ignoring the personal attacks and hypocrisy...


Of course nobody wants to stay poor. That is why they try to get out. How much effort they try before succeeding depends on the person, and how much effort they try before giving up also depends on the person. But if you do give up, then you will find your life worse off than not trying to do it in the first place. Oh wait, that sounds like something I said before already:


But besides that, about education, of course there is enough loans for everyone to get a degree or certification. There are a lot of grants and scholarships out there too. There is no real excuse for anyone to NOT get a degree, except for those who didn't even try in high school, and lets face it, they won't even try in college either.

And for those who can't get enough money for loans and grants to attend Harvard? Try a state school instead, those generally cost around 5-7k a year, instead of 25-100k a year. Or get a part-time job to pay for the rest.

If you truly want to get out of poverty, you would put forth the effort to get out of poverty. It is as simple as that.

I know that life is hard for you, but flipping burgers is not supposed to support you and your 3 kids.

Agreed, it should have been in the "Republican makes a REALLY stupid comment" thread.

...you do realize that finding a part time job to:
1. Adjust to your schedule and still give you the hours that you need to do both
and
2.Give you enough hours and still be able to make enough to pay your bills

Is very, and I mean, VERY, rare to find nowadays?

Most people I know who have gone to school and worked at the same time either had to quit the job because they couldn't get their hours changed so they could focus on schoolwork, or were able to both but were very miserable about the choices they've made.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but with most businesses nowadays not willing to work with people individually, it's that much harder to go to school and work at the same time.

It's sad when I see students that attend OU that have to constantly request leave of absences because they can't work the hours they're given, combined with the fact of management unwilling to accept availability changes (yes, Target tells you that no availability change is 100% and not to expect it when you request it, which is *** in itself).

Depends on where you are.

In San Antonio, there are many places looking for part-time work. Even McDonalds is offering benefits and assistance with school if you work part time with them here in SA. I know that it isn't the same everywhere though, but you know what? You shouldn't be limited by location to succeed. Maybe in the 1800s, but not today.

If you can't find a job to work at within a 5 mile radius around your mother's house, look for one within a 10 mile radius. Don't limit yourself because of "convenience."

There is always a 3rd option: Save for school. It means that you can't start school until you are 22+, but you can still limit the amount of bills or eliminate it all together, depending on how you do it. You don't HAVE to go to college right out of high school.Again, you shouldn't be limited by your part time work either. If Target doesn't want to work around your schedule, go work at McDonalds, where they are more than happy to have a body there flipping burgers. Or work in the college itself, there are many admin part-time positions to assist students with paying their bills right there too.

Yes, life is hard. That is the whole point in changing it for the better. You shouldn't go right out of high school and demand a living wage with no skills or knowledge.