Shut 'em Down!

Yeah, go read about the experiences of others. You might find out why some people support Obamacare.

Honestly, the prices reflect the costs it takes to treat people without insurance who clog up ERs everywhere. The first solution is to make ABSOLUTELY SURE everyone is covered first, then *** around with why a bandaid costs 50 dollars.

ANOTHER PAGE FOR SOCIOCOMMUNISM!

Let evolution take it's place.

Heartless, but effective, and then we wouldn't have Obamacare shoved down our throats.

So, here is a solution.

Since the government is forcing a cap on insurance that can't have more than 20% overall profit, why can't they do that to the hospital and care system?

"Your markup cannot be more than 20% of the cost to provide it (inventory cost)"

"Your markup cannot be more than 20% of the cost to preform the procedure (labor cost)"

"Your markup cannot be more than 20% of the cost to maintain the building (administration/variable cost)"

"If your markup is over 20%, you must give a refund to those who you overcharged (additional costs associated with recordkeeping)"

Still not a good idea, but it is better than a price ceiling and Obamacare combined!

/waits for the liberals here to justify the costs that hospitals charge while keeping with their principle that it is ok to do the same to insurance companies...

There are tax credits for the consumer in the instance of being overcharged. Performance incentives for doctors and hospitals that range from bonuses to penalties in the nature of complete loss of funding for a hospital and license removal for a physician. There is even a program to increase the volume of specialists, physcians and general healthworkers to mitigate costs with respect to supply and demand of service availability over the next 7 years.

..and now I remember why I can't have a conversation with any of you guys.

You are too extreme when it comes to situations. "It has got to be the most dire of situations, that is why we must kneejerk reaction to a stubbed toe!"

Problem is you need people who can give and take. Someone like kingnonsense won't do much besides reaffirm their position. There are pros and cons besides the misinformation.

Not 'if we just don't pay for any care to millions then when they lose teeth from not affording dental visits they can just evolve to not need teeth' misinformation, but ads telling millennial to skip the ACA.

Where in the code did you see this?

I have read the code, and I did not find any mention of these tax credits or performance incentives that you are speaking of.

I should have said "rebate" instead of tax credit.

List of all the additions 2013-14 and exemptions for 2013-2017 to the IRC
The links within each section will take you to the specific literature in the tax code.


Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) is not in the tax code with respect to how it functions; however the means to apply taxes on the actual rebates for overcharges as earned income are

How to tax rebates examples given are insurance premium specific but the rebates on over charges for services tie into the fuction of the PCORI.

The only tax credit are ones that go directly to the plan providers in the instance of over reporting/under reporting wages whether by the individual or employer i.e Form 1095-A. I think its IRC 6055-56. I don't recall the specific section of code it's been a few months since I read it. But I'm sure you'll find the specific section. Post edit: http://www.irs.gov/uac/The-Premium-Tax-Credit

Performance incentives in the IRC:

That would be Patient-Centered Outcome Research Institute. Where it appears in the code is the excise tax that funds it. However there is no mention on what the PCORI does in the IRC,but the Heritage Foundation has a lot to say about it's bureaucracy.

This is information pretaining to the fee/excise tax.

This the is Federal Register Publication pretaining to PCORI<---This is an annoying read due to its formatting but is highly detailed.

You have freedom of choice, just like car insurance. But then again, allstate doesnt have a government option for liability,accident,and total loss...so...not EXACTLY like car insurance, but yea.

My question is, why are you supporting a system that forces people into buying a product? I understand why some people support Obamacare, I just don't understand how they support a system that strips you of your freedom of choice.

they have definitely done a piss poor job of making the information accessible and easy to understand.

We've lived in a system that forces people to buy a product for some 5 or 6 decades now... This is just the newest in the line...

for me... I don't particularly like being on the front lines for the rollout of the new line because there are always bumps or potholes in the way at first before they usually work things out and it all settles down... My personal hope though is that this does turn into a very good thing for the country because we've really needed a revamp to our medical system in the states to correct the way it functions...

We've lived in a system that forces people to buy a product for some 5 or 6 decades now... This is just the newest in the line...

for me... I don't particularly like being on the front lines for the rollout of the new line because there are always bumps or potholes in the way at first before they usually work things out and it all settles down... My personal hope though is that this does turn into a very good thing for the country because we've really needed a revamp to our medical system in the states to correct the way it functions...

Stop being so negative. We'll call them Life Panels!

Wouldn't it have been better to just pay a subsidy like NI, In the UK everyone pays NI contributions that provide free (not totally free because you pay in NI contributions, but you don't get hit with a bill every time you go see a Dr)healthcare and the government adds to it. Right now the NHS has gone to ***, but back in the day before it became a World healthcare service it was the best of it's kind.