Shut 'em Down!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I'll raise you a...

EDIT: Also, for those who use the "What's going on in...Oh Lawd!" meme to death, same movie.

Useless trivia, enjoy.

Individual policies are dead, that's the point. The individual mandate allows consumers to approach insurance providers as a group with much higher purchasing power. You show an absolute lack of understanding of even basic economic functions.

EDIT: you might also want to read the rest of that article, as it takes a lot of the steam out of your point.

Sorry, Obama said your premiums would go down, they didn't. You just said cost increases were wildly exaggerated, they clearly aren't.

Like I said, keep digging.

I really don't know why libertarians keep linking sob stories about skyrocketing premiums and all those oh so sad stories of people who are being sodomized by the government and Obama when effectively your solution is to cede all power to the free market whose sole purpose is to milk profits at almost any cost. You know, things like pre-existing conditions and throwing up every possible roadblock to getting decent healthcare.

If you oppose Obamacare, fine. But don't pretend as if you give a ***about any of the people you use as examples when your solution is bootstraps, 'people should fail', free market worship and Randian doctrine.

ahhh don't lump his dad in there!

; ;

I think he might be referring to the nutter, Ayn Rand.

The VAST majority of purchasers premiums WILL go down, those people's premiums went up because their policies were incomplete. And considering that only ~16 million americans are even effected by that and 60% of those will qualify for subsidies, and all of those people could get MUCH lower rates by participating in a group buying program like the exchanges, it IS wildly exaggerated. Even your article explains all of that, yet you can't get off that talking point.

You proved yourself wrong and still won't admit you're wrong.

oops. ***, you're probably right.

I don't pretend to give a sh!t about those sob stories I post. I post them to expose they outright fabrication that the proposed "government" led system:

A) produces higher quality
B) is less expensive
C) is more convenient to use
D) is more concerned with caring for the people

Just keep telling yourself that.

So it has come to this....

Well then I would like to go ahead and take this opportunity to thank everyone for their participation....yes even Nausi. Thank you for the spagettios and soviet era famine... If nothing else Campbells soup stock is probably roaring back as we speak. and even sparthosx even though he made the same exact post 147 times...

I'm sure nobody learned anything... but whatever we did do when we were ignoring each other, we did it with gusto and finesse and as usual, a complete lack of decorum and civility.

Thanks to modcat and girlboy for letting us troll on each other for 34 wonderful pages.

Sooner or later the government will return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast of absolute nonsense... so until next time... keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars... whatever the hell that means casey kasem...

In other words...

You are really going to ignore deductibles skyrocketing and still act like the cost is going down?

Oh, don't let this thread get closed!

At least, not until the government opens up and brings us more reason to hate on each other!

Different plans have different deductibles. The only data I have seen on it is apples to oranges. If there's some actual credible information on it, I never deny or ignore it.

He keeps hammering on about premiums, which are also apples to oranges. Let the market stabilize, then we can talk about cost actually changing.

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It's been a whole 10 days since the system went live, forgive me if I don't think the sky is tumbling from the celestial heavens just yet.

Your original claim was that libertarians were 'wildly exaggerating individual cost'. Premium increases would fall under that umbrella.

When Obama says you can keep your plan and it will be cheaper, then your plan is changed to conform to the new regs and is thus more expensive by 1800 dollars:

A) you can't keep your plan.
B) the premium has skyrocketed.

You can't discredit those points under the attage of "apples to oranges" because the original plan (which is no longer lawfully compliant) no longer exists. There are no more apples, there are now ONLY oranges.

Nor can you point out that if they participant simply didn't participate in healthcare, he'd only have to pay a fine of ~90 bucks (even though it would surely decrease his individual cost, amirite?).

It has also been 10 days since the government shutdown, forgive me for the same reason.

Also, the sequester has been ongoing for 8 months and 10 days. Sky still hasn't fallen, earth hasn't imploded, people haven't spontaneously incinerated yet. Dogs love cats though, can't explain that though.

....BUT we've kicked out war vets from national memorials in favor of hosting illegals and an immigration rally to push a political agenda!

False equivalence much? The sequester is slow burning whereas the rollout of Obamacare is like any major launch in that the first few weeks/months will suck before things stabilize.

Nausi, stop it!

Yes, it sucks that it happened, but harping on it will not help your message any.

There are millions of faults with the Obama Administration, it is just time to go to the next fault, like instead of trying to negotiate with Congress about the shutdown, the Obama Administration instead is planning on giving additional money to Egypt...

That is why I'm not harping on the Obamacare exchange openings.

I'm waiting until the bill comes due when we will all see Obamacare for what it really is. Higher overall costs for less benefits. Exactly opposite as to what the bill is supposed to be!

Edit: Also, there hasn't been any effect on day-to-day activity, now has there?

I saw 200 people were arrested in that pro immigration rally, including several sitting Congressman, but in Nausi's world, thats "allowing."

When in doubt, use military vets to enhance your argument.

you can keep your plan wasn't the end of his sentence, it still had to conform to federal regulations. so their premium changed because their plan changed. that is a different conversation. i don't agree with the plans being forced to change, they should have had a grace period with the exchanges open before forcing existing policies to.be changed. but it's a temporary problem for a very small part of the population, not the universal doomsday we keep hearing about.

Do you understand why we fund Egypt?