Shut 'em Down!

It must be difficult to understand base 10 when you have 11 toes...

Are you saying that Democrats are unwilling to do the same? If you believe the economy would be destroyed and those are the certain consequences then aren't they also deciding to do that knowing the disaster it would cause? And aren't they willing to accept that kind of carnage if they thought it would benefit them politically? I think you know they would.

Ohohoho you got me good. You're just hurling insults now time for bed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-ted-yoho-government-shutdown-is-the-tremor-before-the-tsunami/2013/10/04/98b5aa8c-2c3c-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

Defaulting on the debt will bring order to chaos. Viva la Gold Standard baby, END THE FED.

and you are just posting random ***?

You clipped my post to avoid the point. The argument is ridiculous in the first place.

Alternate headline - Sen. Yoho: "YOLO"

Also,

GOP idea of internal debate: Force the Speaker to choose between two career crippling decisions, either follow the Hastert rule and shut down the entire government, or ignore a radical faction of your party and rely on Democrats to help you pass a budget. But hey, at least they are debating right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24419564


Edit: in case people want to see what markets are doing beyond the dow. This article is not as good as some in FT but that requires a log-in account.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-06/s-p-futures-drop-asian-index-contracts-rise-yen-gains.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/a-u-s-default-seen-as-catastrophe-dwarfing-lehman-s-fall.html

At this point I think the pubs are just passing all these smaller bills to fund popular programs and hoping to god that the dems don't pass em so they can attempt to use it against them in the next elections... so you didn't want to fund this bill to reopen the national parks?!?! or cure cancer babies?!?! omg what a terrible person... you know even though we could of passed a bill originally that had our own numbers so that no one would of had to go through this in the first place... :)

Breaking: "Spite house" shuts down part of the Amber Alert system amberalert.gov, but keeps funding open to Michelle Obama's http://www.letsmove.gov/.

Talk about paying politics, the AMBER Alert program is a voluntary partnership between law-enforcement and broadcasters that issues urgent bulletins following cases of child abductions. It does run on government money but the proper system is still in operation. There is no reason to shut down a website that is already up and running, either. It doesn’t save money unless they’re turning off the servers, and they’re clearly not doing that becauwse the proper system is still running. The website might not get updates if the staff running it is furloughed, but once up and running it should more or less run on its own — much like the World War II memorial does when NPS officials are not on duty.

I guess Michelle's site is far more "non-essential".

Obama is throwing one hell of a temper tantrum. He's even got the National Park Service is kicking people out of their own privately owned homes.

I can't believe you liberal sheep are falling for this.

I can't believe you make it through each day into the next but hey... it seems to happen...

Edit: How can you continuously ignore the fact that the Republicans can end this shutdown whenever they want with the agreed upon CR numbers which were in their favor? Instead they would like to attempt to stick it to the dems as much as possible before they have to get back to business... The pubs can end this at any time... They could have prevented it from ever even getting this far... Instead you would like to let it drag on and pick out things as they come up in an attempt to gain some kind of favor after plunging the nation into this position in the first place lol...

You do realize that liberalism has promised to give you and everyone else who voted for it more stuff than there is money available in the entire world to pay for it right?

Better get working....

you wish!

/asserts diabolical powers

PREPARE TO SUSTAIN YOURSELVES BY EATING YOUR HEMPEN CLOTHING FOOLS!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The world is mine!!!!

Wtf are you even talking about... your statement doesn't even make sense... if they're going to give me more stuff than money is available for it why can't I just sit around and do nothing until the world crumbles around around me?

/relaxes

I do love how everyone who disagrees with you is an evil and lazy liberal out to bankrupt the world for more handouts! lol...

Is Obamacare not another handout? Christ you are blind.

The republicans want changes to Obamacare, they've offered several different possible outcomes that they would be willing to accept, none of which call for it's complete abolishment. Obama's the one that's saying "I won't negotiate". Polls might be opposed to the government shutting down to begin with, but people want compromise as a resolution, and only one party isn't advocating that. It's the democrats.

I don't know how you rationalize that Obamacare is off the table because people re-elected Obama. The logic on that is completely flawed. People also re-elected republicans to a clear house majority. They campaigned against it, much more aggressively than Romney did I might add. And despite the denial of some on this thread, the law has met consistent and clear opposition from the public ever sense it was passed. How do you count one instance but not the other, nice double standard there. Democrats can also end the shutdown pretty quickly to you know, all they need to do is compromise.

Also you fail to even acknowledge the roll Obama even plays in the shutdown, and the things he does simply out of spite. He is using tyranny to gain political points, that's pretty bad and also unprecedented. You simply ignore it, pile the blame onto republicans, as though you are a bad parent. Excusing the results of your child's tantrum because another child called him a bad name.

Erm. Just to let everyone else know the gross world product (gwp) was $71.83 trillion in 2012. Currency in circulation (which really has no bearing on anything in the world today) is over $2 trillion.


Under economy:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html

maybe...

I haven't had a chance to read the obamacare law in it's entirety but what I have read suggests it forces individuals to get heath insurance (much like you are forced to get car insurance).

It gets a little hazy on the enforcement side. If you don't get insurance you pay a penalty but you don't get any sort of insurance when you pay the penalty...

I assume that those that don't pay the penalty will be put into stocks and we can throw eggs and rotten fruit at them until they are unconscious...

and then they can just go to the emergency room for treatment like they do now and stick the hospital with the bill

Unfunded Federal liabilities totaled 84 trillion dollars in 2012

Mostly I just ignore you because well all you do is spout nonsense for the most part... you follow the party line in ignoring anything you do and then trying to blame anyone else for any little thing you can find and just push that... You don't ever even ask answer any questions... you just find what you consider to be a fault... spew some nonsense like you're right and the other side (whoever that is atm) is wrong lol...

I'm well aware that Obama and the dems are also at fault for the state that the nation is in but to say that the republicans have no fault or are even working for the best interest of the people is a ridiculous statement lol...

Obamacare isn't perfect for sure... The republicans have attacked it a great deal of times since it was brought up and then voted on and incorporated into our government... Things have been changed... things that they didn't want to change... conversations have been had... compromise... now they just want it delayed again so they can take it out completely or just neuter it so it has no effect... this is not the time or the place to do what they are doing... don't act like they couldn't have gone about this in a rational way and that the only thing they are doing now is trying to pass popular programs to buy more time while they stamp their feet some more... They will not get anything changed on ACA and they will not get it off the table... this is a fruitless effort and an idiotic one...

It maybe somewhat flawed but if you want to play it that way I mean the dems took the senate and the oval office so they win! lol... the pubs took the lowly house... we shall see going forward how this all plays out for the upcoming elections though... public opinion is a fickle ***...

I believe its treated as a tax so the IRS will beat you with a stick if you don't pay!

If you haven't read the bill, then you're in the same boat as congress. You can more likely afford the penalty if you cannot afford a plan off the exchanges. If you opt to pay the penalty instead of buying a plan then you can just wait until you get sick before buying insurance because we're made it law now that NO ONE can be denied coverage. So just pay the penalty, wait till you get really sick and the government will heavily subsidize your the insurance you buy to get well.

Total handout. Not only are we paying for the more expensive coverage once people are sick, but we're promoting a system where people avoid the dr because paying a penalty is cheaper than paying for coverage.

Could just go to the site itself and see that for the year 2014 its a mere financial slap on the wrist versus the penalties in 2016 and beyond: https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-someone-doesnt-have-health-coverage-in-2014/

The penalty increases each year. It's 90ish dollars this and supposed to be over 600 in five years.

Even though its meant to give you clarity the reality will probably scare someone like yourself more:

As of Q4 2012 included household and not-for-profit net worth of $66.07 trillion , non-financial corporate business net worth of $17.59 trillion, and non-financial non-corporate business net worth of $8.06 trillion, for a total of $91.72 trillion.

Those are links to the source information from the FED for those values..

Yeah but it's a nerf stick if you are a registered democrat!

Republicans get the rusty iron pipe.

Thats 2016, check the link from my previous post: The penalty for 2016 is 2% of income or $695 per person, whichever one is the higher value.

2014 is 1% of income or $95 per uninsured adult, whichever on is the higher value will be the penalty. For uninsured childred in a household the penalty will be 47.50. Households for 2014 will have cap at a max penalty of $285.

edit: typo of 95% to correct type of $95.

Ok. When someone gives a number like $71.83 trillion this means you need to add 12 zeros.

So that number is actually $7,183,000,000,000,000.

This is greater than $83.592 billion or add 9 zeros to get $83,592,000,000,000 which brings your rounded number up to the $84 trillion number.

This number is from p.12 http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st338.pdf of the study that was in your link.

Edit: I confused and used both Danish and American decimal systems =/

I think you're in the same boat as you say congress is in then...

Its a bit of lie, and a certain something advocates that are in the fight need to clarify people on. It is true the penatly for 2014 is something anyone can afford but come 2016 its not affordable especially coupling in the fact the unsubsidized cost of health care for a person without insurance is astronomical.