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 Bismarck.Magnuss
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2015-08-06 20:01:45
I am afraid I am not familiar with that dialect Jassik.
Neapolitan(my dialect) is an italianized mix of ancient spanish and french because the Kingdom of Naples has belonged to the french Bourbons and the spanish Aragons(I'm an Aragon btw.. *puts down crown*). If I speak it to someone from another italian region they wouldn't understand anything of what I say, it has its own rules, grammar and phonemes.
Cockney is a sort of slang version of British English. Lots of words meaning other things. I was just curious what regional dialect you were taking about. If it was a clear dialect or more of a slang dialect/accent. If you want to be specific, Cockney is actually not a dialect, either. It's actually an insult to the English lower class. Derived from centuries of British social warfare, its first truly publicized form comes from Canterbury Tales by Chaucer and is referred to as a "cokenay", which is a misshapen egg, identifying the combination of a rooster and a human being. This insult was used in a critique of John Keats, and eventually used as the blame for his untimely demise by another Romantic poet, Percy Bysshe Shelley.
Today, the word Cockney is used to describe a dialect and language variation to the British language, but will forever have its roots in lambasting the lower class. It's like the lower class British equivalent to the "N" word.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-08-06 20:07:09
The o at the end of spertoso is semi-silent which makes it rhyme with noce, yeah.
Is that like the Italian version of cockney?
We spoke Italian primarily in my house as a child, but it basically stopped when I started school except when cousins came to visit. I haven't even heard my mom speak it in at least ten years.
A couple of questions?
Have you lived in Idaho all of your life, and did your parents stop specifically when you went into school?
The only reason I ask is when I was in the second grade my teacher had a conference with my parents (mostly my mother) about NOT speaking German in the household, because, at the time, it was perceived as a hindrance to have a child learn (or retain) a second language in elementary school, according to my teachers and administration.
I didn't find out until I was in college (when more studies about children's retention of languages came out) that my mother was pretty forward with her objections with the school staff's take on second languages in the household. Apparently, she was insulted by the fact that they adamantly objected to the example that she approached them with, which is the European standard. English as a language presented at the elementary school level. Then, a second language, of the student's choice, tagged on at the middle school level equivalency.
I've been reading and singing to the sweetman in German and translating in English. My mom now unabashedly will prattle on with him in German, since it's acceptable over twenty years later.
EDIT: On the subject of Cockney...
Sorry. Had to.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-08-06 20:12:04
The only reason I ask is when I was in the second grade my teacher had a conference with my parents (mostly my mother) about NOT speaking German in the household, because, at the time, it was perceived as a hindrance (or retain) to have a child learn a second language in elementary school, according to my teachers and administration.
They encouraged it here so I had to have English classes with a bunch of random people I didn't like once or twice a week
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-08-06 20:20:19
My sister speaks Swedish with her little ogre so she's learning at least
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-06 20:20:53
A couple of question?
Have you lived in Idaho all of your life, and did your parents stop specifically when you went into school?
The only reason I ask is when I was in the second grade my teacher had a conference with my parents (mostly my mother) about NOT speaking German in the household, because, at the time, it was perceived as a hindrance (or retain) to have a child learn a second language in elementary school, according to my teachers and administration.
I didn't find out until I was in college (when more studies about children's retention of languages came out) that my mother was pretty forward with her objections with the school staff's take on second languages in the household. Apparently, she was insulted by the fact that they adamantly objected to the example that she approached them with, which is the European standard. English as a language presented at the elementary school level. Then, a second language, of the student's choice, tagged on at the middle school level equivalency.
I've been reading and singing to the sweetman in German and translating in English. My mom now unabashedly will prattle on with him in German, since it's acceptable over twenty years later.
I grew up in Idaho for the most part, lived elsewhere for about 10 years, then moved back to Idaho, but to a different county. I believe it was around 1st grade when we suddenly no longer spoke Italian, but there was no discussion about it or parental conference to my knowledge. I think I just started speaking English more because everyone else around me did and my mom went with it.
I have heard similar accounts to yours. Surprisingly, when I lived in AZ, my nephews had friends who spoke Spanish at home and spoke very little English outside their home, and the teachers would just speak to them in Spanish rather than attempting to use English. I kinda got under my skin to hear about it.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-08-06 20:39:25
A couple of question?
Have you lived in Idaho all of your life, and did your parents stop specifically when you went into school?
The only reason I ask is when I was in the second grade my teacher had a conference with my parents (mostly my mother) about NOT speaking German in the household, because, at the time, it was perceived as a hindrance (or retain) to have a child learn a second language in elementary school, according to my teachers and administration.
I didn't find out until I was in college (when more studies about children's retention of languages came out) that my mother was pretty forward with her objections with the school staff's take on second languages in the household. Apparently, she was insulted by the fact that they adamantly objected to the example that she approached them with, which is the European standard. English as a language presented at the elementary school level. Then, a second language, of the student's choice, tagged on at the middle school level equivalency.
I've been reading and singing to the sweetman in German and translating in English. My mom now unabashedly will prattle on with him in German, since it's acceptable over twenty years later.
I grew up in Idaho for the most part, lived elsewhere for about 10 years, then moved back to Idaho, but to a different county. I believe it was around 1st grade when we suddenly no longer spoke Italian, but there was no discussion about it or parental conference to my knowledge. I think I just started speaking English more because everyone else around me did and my mom went with it.
I have heard similar accounts to yours. Surprisingly, when I lived in AZ, my nephews had friends who spoke Spanish at home and spoke very little English outside their home, and the teachers would just speak to them in Spanish rather than attempting to use English. I kinda got under my skin to hear about it.
It was forth or fifth grade in Texas when I saw ESL specifically for Latin-American immigrants in our schools. My mom had a lot to say about the contradictions of that, later. Granted, her stoicism and her understanding that Latin-Americans aren't afforded the same standard of education that Europeans are wouldn't allow her to scream the word "Hypocrisy!" at the time.
If you and your sweetpea decide to have kids, definitely capitalize on having multiple languages in the house.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-08-06 20:40:45
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »My sister speaks Swedish with her little ogre so she's learning at least
Where's your sis? I always thought she was in Sweden.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-08-06 20:49:25
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-08-06 21:09:04
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Australia
Does she come visit often? Or do you get to see her? I hope so.
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-06 21:11:32
I vote we get a new king.
Because I wasn't here and no one else apparently has the wherewithal to make the required response:
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-08-06 21:35:33
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Australia
Does she come visit often? Or do you get to see her? I hope so.
I haven't seen her for a few years now
I think about 4 or so
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-06 22:40:06
A couple of question?
Have you lived in Idaho all of your life, and did your parents stop specifically when you went into school?
The only reason I ask is when I was in the second grade my teacher had a conference with my parents (mostly my mother) about NOT speaking German in the household, because, at the time, it was perceived as a hindrance (or retain) to have a child learn a second language in elementary school, according to my teachers and administration.
I didn't find out until I was in college (when more studies about children's retention of languages came out) that my mother was pretty forward with her objections with the school staff's take on second languages in the household. Apparently, she was insulted by the fact that they adamantly objected to the example that she approached them with, which is the European standard. English as a language presented at the elementary school level. Then, a second language, of the student's choice, tagged on at the middle school level equivalency.
I've been reading and singing to the sweetman in German and translating in English. My mom now unabashedly will prattle on with him in German, since it's acceptable over twenty years later.
I grew up in Idaho for the most part, lived elsewhere for about 10 years, then moved back to Idaho, but to a different county. I believe it was around 1st grade when we suddenly no longer spoke Italian, but there was no discussion about it or parental conference to my knowledge. I think I just started speaking English more because everyone else around me did and my mom went with it.
I have heard similar accounts to yours. Surprisingly, when I lived in AZ, my nephews had friends who spoke Spanish at home and spoke very little English outside their home, and the teachers would just speak to them in Spanish rather than attempting to use English. I kinda got under my skin to hear about it.
It was forth or fifth grade in Texas when I saw ESL specifically for Latin-American immigrants in our schools. My mom had a lot to say about the contradictions of that, later. Granted, her stoicism and her understanding that Latin-Americans aren't afforded the same standard of education that Europeans are wouldn't allow her to scream the word "Hypocrisy!" at the time.
If you and your sweetpea decide to have kids, definitely capitalize on having multiple languages in the house.
I'm sure we will, and yes, they will speak English and Russian.
As far as ESL programs, don't they emphasize using English in class similar to normal second language classes?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-08-06 23:07:13
As far as ESL programs, don't they emphasize using English in class similar to normal second language classes?
As far as I know, in Texas they weren't at the elementary level in the early 1990's.
My mother was more or less upset that certain kids were able to test out of a certain language credit via AP testing when my brother and I rolled around, too, when our teachers explicitly kept us from continuing that opportunity for our foreign language credit.
This is a multi-layered effect that, I would hope, isn't persistent now. Believe me, it's a lot when we're talking about European immigration versus Latin-American. Some people would be quick to call it racist, but there is some merit in it. European immigrants would regard their (Latiin-American) situation more or less as "amnesty" but still see the discrepancies.
It's strange when comparing the two.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-08-07 09:08:45
Nikolce, don't ruin my day(year) dream of having enough energy and motivation to chase life goals after kids leave home...yet. 
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-08-07 09:20:11
I am afraid I am not familiar with that dialect Jassik. Neapolitan(my dialect) is an italianized mix of ancient spanish and french because the Kingdom of Naples has belonged to the french Bourbons and the spanish Aragons(I'm an Aragon btw.. *puts down crown*). If I speak it to someone from another italian region they wouldn't understand anything of what I say, it has its own rules, grammar and phonemes. Cockney is a sort of slang version of British English. Lots of words meaning other things. I was just curious what regional dialect you were taking about. If it was a clear dialect or more of a slang dialect/accent. I found a great video a few months ago that explained this exact point, especially in Italy.
Start at 11:00 minutes to get right to this topic. This guy is a really great language expert that believes all language is nonexistent.
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He also mentions the only reason black english is considered degenerate and proper english as prestigious is because of our society. If black people owned all the largest companies and white people just worked for them for example, their language and slang would be considered proper english and the stuff we're taught in schools right now as the literary standard would be considered degenerate language you need to learn to stop using. I watched the whole video. If Chomsky thinks that "proper language" is just a subjective description based off numerous chronological, socio-economical and political factors (which I agree with), does he have any suggestions concerning whether or not we should teach kids "proper" language?
I think one of the greatest benefits of having standardized, national forms of language in our modern times is ease of communication, especially for non-native speakers. I mean, it's how I'm able to communicate with you. English is probably not a good example (written English, at least - for example, I had to download subs while watching The Big Lebowski to ensure that I don't miss any dialogue), but if I learn Italian and try to speak to someone from Seha's area, they'd be able to understand me if they were schooled.
I'm also much more forgiving when it comes to grammar, but not lexicon (not including neologism, ofc).
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-08-07 09:24:04
Speaking multiple languages improves the development of a child's intellect, which is good. However we need to have a "world language" and english is perfect for it. Easy enough that anyone can learn it, something that can't be said about the other candidate which is chinese..not that you can't learn chinese, but what a pain that would be!
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:26:55
Speaking multiple languages improves the development of a child's intellect, which is good. However we need to have a "world language" and english is perfect for it. Easy enough that anyone can learn it, something that can't be said about the other candidate which is chinese..not that you can't learn chinese, but what a pain that would be!
Spanish would actually be my choice. It's far simpler than English and between Spanish, Portuguese, French, etc., there are enough romance languages spoken worldwide to make the transition a little easier. Chinese doesn't even really count as one language. Mandarin would be the "choice," but even people in different regions of China barely understand each other sometimes.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-08-07 09:35:11
Bleh work Friday.
Day starts with the greatest question of the day.
Start the day with...
Orange juice or
Apple juice.
Hmm
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-07 09:35:53
Actually most of the Cyrillic languages would be ideal. Easy to learn as the word structure is very phonetic.
By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:36:44
Actually most of the Cyrillic languages would be ideal. Easy to learn as the word structure is very phonetic.
So is Spanish, and the alphabet is simpler. Also, already more widely-spoken.
That said, there is a certain allure to the Cyrillic languages. But as a whole I don't think "ideal" is accurate.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-07 09:39:09
Actually most of the Cyrillic languages would be ideal. Easy to learn as the word structure is very phonetic.
So is Spanish, and the alphabet is simpler. Also, already more widely-spoken.
That said, there is a certain allure to the Cyrillic languages. But as a whole I don't think "ideal" is accurate.
like 95% of everything ever written is translated into English or Russian.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-08-07 09:41:33
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:42:40
like 95% of everything ever written is translated into English or Russian.
Yeah, I know. But English itself isn't exactly an intuitive language; it just seems that way because it's so widely used. Much like Chinese.
We've got a lot of *** up rules and exceptions, different pronunciations, etc.
Sticking with Spanish as my vote.
Or there's always when it was tried already a la Esperanto.
But knowing Esperanto just sort of makes you sound conceited, fairly or no.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-07 09:42:56
I guess it comes down to the individual.
I was terrible at Spanish in high school, actually failed it. Did ok in French just enough to pass the class. So I was turned off of foreign languages for a long time. Then a few years ago I was surprised just how easy it was to learn Russian. It really made me rethink my ability to learn another language.
I gave Chinese a shot, but I was horrible at it, lol.
So yeah.
Serbian Latin and Cyrillic is easy as hell now as I just pick it up as I go along.
I remember German being not so bad as a kid, but I never studied it or anything, just kinda picked up for the time I was there.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-08-07 09:43:56
or 
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:44:39
No, *** it.
I'm changing my answer.
Gaelic ftw.
Cá bhfuil an leithreas?
By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:47:31
or 
Also, what the *** *** is wrong with the world? I Google "apple jack" and I get 1-2 pictures of cereal (which I expected), ZERO pictures of the alcohol, and roughly a million *** brony pictures.
Seriously. Every time I almost forget they're out there, there they are, shitting up some otherwise innocent name or phrase!
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By Ramyrez 2015-08-07 09:49:56
And if you want an honest answer, Misa, I'd do the OJ cut with water.
Juice is tasty but sugartastic.
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=royal_kingdom_of_ni
Continuation from: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/2873/ffxiah-linkshell/732/#150486
Update: Sorry Eternaltriumph, too much has changed D: (Page 698)
Eternaltriumph said: Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
One Year Anniversary!!!Asura.Ludoggy said: Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
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