I don't know your buisness but after 13 years of sales I've regretted NOT having a paper trail more than I've regretted not making a call instead. It's more of a "CYO" for me.
I don't know your buisness but after 13 years of sales I've regretted NOT having a paper trail more than I've regretted not making a call instead. It's more of a "CYO" for me.
I don't know your buisness but after 13 years of sales I've regretted NOT having a paper trail more than I've regretted not making a call instead. It's more of a "CYO" for me.
I usually give you a free ride as english is not your first language but I'm really having a hard time understanding you when you type stuff like this. I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Is it worse if I forgot and can't remember what I WAS trying to say??? >_<
Hmmm I believe I was trying to also clarify which part you see as the cop out. But I believe it is in the finger pointing. I believe I was trying to say that many people have been spurned by others and do not want to just accept the blame. I won't try to sell you how my boss usually tries to do the write thing and fix it if we are at fault. Nor the part where he does stick it to people who have stuck it to him before. Or fact that I have adopted this as my policy after years of his tutelage. Or I usually try to act as a conscience when we know we are "double dipping" a bit. I guess I want to say, ain't no one virgin anymore in these things. /shrug. Gotta order some trim.
I don't know your buisness but after 13 years of sales I've regretted NOT having a paper trail more than I've regretted not making a call instead. It's more of a "CYO" for me.
Why not both? :D
Sadly, the nature of my business means I deal with a lot of lower end construction workers, farmers, and "wreckers" (tow trucks). Some people don't much understand them new fangled electronic mails (or their fancy pants,
non-rotary, pocket phones for that matter). There's good reason for both but I was more making a point for not scoffing at the email 100% of the time (as it sounds his boss does).
Paper trails ftw! Doing stuff only by phone is silly. Even after some calls I draw something up and send it to the person I was talking to to confirm that is what we discussed. Makes it a lot harder to refute when you have everything in writing.
Absolutely correct, but sometimes explaining and getting a simple question answered via phone is better than emailing and being in-personable. I have a great report with a GC's team of estimating. They will usually consult with me on odd things that come up, that I may not even be bidding on for them. Sometimes they will email "Hey Skull, give me a ring we got a question for you" and I drop what I do and give them the fullest of my attention. /shrug
But that paper trail when something goes wrong, is damning and wonderful. Depending on which side you are on.
I don't know your buisness but after 13 years of sales I've regretted NOT having a paper trail more than I've regretted not making a call instead. It's more of a "CYO" for me.
I usually give you a free ride as english is not your first language but I'm really having a hard time understanding you when you type stuff like this. I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Is it worse if I forgot and can't remember what I WAS trying to say??? >_< Hmmm I believe I was trying to also clarify which part you see as the cop out. But I believe it is in the finger pointing. I believe I was trying to say that many people have been spurned by others and do not want to just accept the blame. I won't try to sell you how my boss usually tries to do the write thing and fix it if we are at fault. Nor the part where he does stick it to people who have stuck it to him before. Or fact that I have adopted this as my policy after years of his tutelage. Or I usually try to act as a conscience when we know we are "double dipping" a bit. I guess I want to say, ain't no one virgin anymore in these things. /shrug. Gotta order some trim.
Still, it remains a cop out. I do business in a dishonest way because all these other guys do business in a dishonest way. This is nothing but an excuse to continue on that way.
Absolutely correct, but sometimes explaining and getting a simple question answered via phone is better than emailing and being in-personable. I have a great report with a GC's team of estimating. They will usually consult with me on odd things that come up, that I may not even be bidding on for them. Sometimes they will email "Hey Skull, give me a ring we got a question for you" and I drop what I do and give them the fullest of my attention. /shrug But that paper trail when something goes wrong, is damning and wonderful. Depending on which side you are on.
I guess I kinda find it funny because you're saying emails are stupid but you're responding to an email they sent to you with a call. Why don't you just respond to all those other emails that you say they are all sending to you with a call if that's how you want to do it?
Still, it remains a cop out. I do business in a dishonest way because all these other guys do business in a dishonest way. This is nothing but an excuse to continue on that way.
Maybe so, but when trying to recuperate money lost on a project (and one project in mind has screwed me big time, also partially due to my "calling" instead of emailing) dishonestly, I don't hold back the chance to get them back for anything. Usually GCs and Subs can trade off favors, such as borrowing equipment or doing some extra work for free as a trade off. But at this project we are not as friendly anymore, and no, not ONLY because of my mistake. And it is a shame, we had good dealings with them for years. Continuing to do business as usual and make a profit, is what most companies do. No one hides it. I am sure your company that employes you (I am making an assumption you are not self employed) would like to make a profit and even find ways to recuperate loss. Not an excuse, but just the way it is. Nobody pretends to be holy in this anymore.
I guess I kinda find it funny because you're saying emails are stupid but you're responding to an email they sent to you with a call. Why don't you just respond to all those other emails that you say they are all sending to you with a call if that's how you want to do it?
It is funny, because I have *** up due to it but I obviously know the benefits of the paper trail to calling and vice versa calling. Where do I decide which way to proceed? Well, I don't, I have been doing the call and follow up with email to confirm decision discussed. Hell, last week I drew sketches to show what I meant, scanned it in, emailed to them with some explanation, and called the Project Manager to explain in more detail, so he could explain to the Owner/Architect.
And I am dead serious about faux fur throws, man! It's like magic! I need another one since mine's been barfed on one too many times. Tis the price you pay for sharing blankets. :(
My sis gave me one of them, its awesome! The blankets, not the mashed up fooded black coat. I buy my own coat and food it up myself! /sticks nose in air.
I like when I find little spots of puke or mashed up (random food here) on my nice black coat that I think I look professional in.
Isn't that wonderful! I have a yellow barf spot that takes up the entire right breast of my white peacoat that I wear with skirts and dresses. I still need to take it to the dry cleaners.
That becomes less and less, so does the tolerance for it.
Ten years ago, spiced rum and Kentucky Deluxe were the only barf inducers. Not a barfer. I did accidentally laugh while taking a Patron shot, and not only did I spit it into my BF's eyes, but also cried literal tequila tears from that incident. :/
I did accidentally laugh while taking a Patron shot, and not only did I spit it into my BF's eyes, but also cried literal tequila tears from that incident. :/
I did accidentally laugh while taking a Patron shot, and not only did I spit it into my BF's eyes, but also cried literal tequila tears from that incident. :/
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
[h1]H1[/h1]
[h2]H2[/h2]
[h3]H3[/h3]
[figlet]Figlet[/figlet]
[spoiler="Custom spoiler!"][h1]Yay[/h1][/spoiler]
[soundcloud]http://soundcloud.com/matas/hobnotropic[/soundcloud]
Will try to get to more stuff when I can.
Disclaimer: Your Feelings May Get Hurt In Your Stay Here.