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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:01:28
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Korpg said:
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Rather than opting for a government provided health insurance plan for people who don't have health insurance, the latest proposal is to fine individuals $950 and families $1,600 if they don't have health insurance.

I thought it was 3,800 for families.

Yeah I had the figures wrong. It's a minimum of $1,500 for families, maximum $3,800. Minimum $750 maximum $950 on individual.
New plan
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By Pandemonium.Eternaltriumph 2009-09-09 22:02:54
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Moving to Mexico. With $16.52 I can build a mansion with a moat, bridge, alligators. The whole she-bang. *** you guys.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-09-09 22:05:07
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Rowland said:
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Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.

Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, or anything else you want to contribute.

We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.

Edit: From page 698:
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Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy ***he said what?"

Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.

Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.

Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.

Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.

Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).

Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.

Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.

Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!


We're starting this as page 738 I guess. If your post is on the top of the next page write the correct page number till we get at least page 1000. We broke the forums with the other thread. If you'd like a little Bio for yourself put it as your first post.

Rowland: Shellholder
Alyria: Pearlsack, obvious reasons
Ludoggy: Pearlsack, having high post count
#2: Pearlsack epeen purposes, doesnt do anything.
Sav: Pearlsack, being the token white girl
Everyone on Ramuh: Pearlsack (dasva, kiri, thunderz, haseyo) I took urial's pearlsack away because he's gay.

Continuation from: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/?topic_id=2873&page=737


I want Sack.....
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-09-09 22:05:26
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How are they charging private companies and doctors to pay for their own company? Are they sending them a bill each month for "mai health that u pay4 plz"? lol

I thought this article was pretty interesting myself: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html - The single-payer plan Japan and Swizz seems pretty interesting, but single-payer is like a socialist buzzword at this point. lol
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By Pandemonium.Eternaltriumph 2009-09-09 22:06:02
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Which reminds me I need to update that summary of people. >_>
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-09-09 22:06:27
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>.>;
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I was thinking that, too! More specifically me! lol
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:07:16
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Korpg said:

Its getting to a point where I'm not glad of being an American.

Edit: oh yeah, new taxes for everyone when this comes into effect.

Its not gonna happen. or you'll see democrats losing 20+ seats in senate and like 200 in congress xD

As I see it's just another back door plan of the far Lefts vision of America.
Just waiting until they try to shut down talk radio again, maybe by then people will remember why Democrats dont stay in complete power for more then 2-4 years.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-09-09 22:09:19
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Caiyuo said:
How are they charging private companies and doctors to pay for their own company? Are they sending them a bill each month for "mai health that u pay4 plz"? lol


That is exactally why they are taxing them. Its their bill, but the private companies have to pay for it.

Makes you wonder about Democrates' view on socialism now. I mean, Captialism is all about the private sector, and freedom to do what you want.

Now, the democrates are taking the freedom of doing business out.....wait, isn't that unconstitutional?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:09:26
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I still think Bill Clinton was an awesome president. Although I can't stand Gore.
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-09-09 22:11:11
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Ludoggy said:
Korpg said:

Its getting to a point where I'm not glad of being an American.

Edit: oh yeah, new taxes for everyone when this comes into effect.

Its not gonna happen. or you'll see democrats losing 20+ seats in senate and like 200 in congress xD

As I see it's just another back door plan of the far Lefts vision of America.
Just waiting until they try to shut down talk radio again, maybe by then people will remember why Democrats dont stay in complete power for more then 2-4 years.


but it IS happening. They are trying to shut down talk radio, it IS going to take effect in 2012.

Democrates are having a ball with their power, and going to *** EVERYTHING we hold dear up.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:11:32
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Korpg said:
Caiyuo said:
How are they charging private companies and doctors to pay for their own company? Are they sending them a bill each month for "mai health that u pay4 plz"? lol


That is exactally why they are taxing them. Its their bill, but the private companies have to pay for it.

Makes you wonder about Democrates' view on socialism now. I mean, Captialism is all about the private sector, and freedom to do what you want.

Now, the democrates are taking the freedom of doing business out.....wait, isn't that unconstitutional?

I thought the public option was supposed to be paid for by taxing the extremely rich?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:11:40
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Chaosx said:
I still think Bill Clinton was an awesome president. Although I can't stand Gore.

Wait...what did Bill do after failing at Hillary care? =P
I remember him just signing every bill being shot out of Republican controlled house.
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By Pandemonium.Eternaltriumph 2009-09-09 22:12:04
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Clinton got a *** in office, and said "Know what? *** it. She smoked my penis. AND you're not gonna impeach me because I'm just that *** awesome. I'm so powerful, Monica will be forever known, until she dies, as "that chick who sucked Clinton's cawk." Even on her tombstone." He is therefor the most awesome president ever.

In totally unrelated but still relevant news. It annoys the ***out of me that Samurai Jack's entire series was never played completely on TV.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:14:45
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Eternaltriumph said:
Clinton got a *** in office, and said "Know what? *** it. She smoked my penis. AND you're not gonna impeach me because I'm just that *** awesome. I'm so powerful, Monica will be forever known, until she dies, as "that chick who sucked Clinton's cawk." Even on her tombstone." He is therefor the most awesome president ever.

He also made us think about what the word "is" really means too.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:14:51
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Chaosx said:

I thought the public option was supposed to be paid for by taxing the extremely rich?

What happens when the Rich run out of money?
even if you take close to alll their money it still wont be enough to cover an extra 80million people...also how do you cover and extra "40+" million people with no new doctors? =P

Korpg said:

but it IS happening. They are trying to shut down talk radio, it IS going to take effect in 2012.

links please? =x I thought they were still just lurking and planing
Like FCC czar Mark Lloyd
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-09-09 22:17:41
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Korpg said:
Caiyuo said:
How are they charging private companies and doctors to pay for their own company? Are they sending them a bill each month for "mai health that u pay4 plz"? lol


That is exactally why they are taxing them. Its their bill, but the private companies have to pay for it.

Makes you wonder about Democrates' view on socialism now. I mean, Captialism is all about the private sector, and freedom to do what you want.

Now, the democrates are taking the freedom of doing business out.....wait, isn't that unconstitutional?
Freedom to what you want to the extent that you're *** over everyone else in the process, including your own customers? lol It's kind of shocking to see and hear people argue on behalf of insurance companies /while/ they're being *** in the *** for the sake of 'merican freedom. Where is it said that they're going to force private companies to pay for public healthcare? Specifically.

Mentioning "socialism" in any capacity is a joke stirred up by unhappy people who have nothing better to argue upon other than a word that scares people. It may as well be McCarthyism. lol
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-09-09 22:19:54
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Chaosx said:

I thought the public option was supposed to be paid for by taxing the extremely rich?


Why do you want to tax the extremely rich for being rich? You should tax everyone at a flat rate, and give discounts on taxes for being poor.

If you tax people JUST because they are rich, then whats the point in trying to BE rich? More taxes? What the *** is up with that statement?

Why do YOU want the extremely rich to be taxed? Because they are more sucessful then you? Then get off your lazy *** and get to work, because there is NOTHING stopping you from getting rich.

Taxing the rich because they are rich is, guess what, a COMMUNIST idea. Thats not right to punish somebody because they worked harder than you to get that money.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:21:27
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Caiyuo said:

Mentioning "socialism" in any capacity is a joke stirred up by unhappy people who have nothing better to argue upon other than a word that scares people. It may as well be McCarthyism. lol

Everyone says "socialism" cause...well besides this how Canadian healthcare started..."you can keep your insurance if you like it...but if you lose it big brother is here" well after awhile its only big brother left.

Honestly...if I ran my own company and then there is a government option..you know damn right I'm kicking all my employees to the curb and telling them to go with government.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:22:30
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Ludoggy said:
Chaosx said:

I thought the public option was supposed to be paid for by taxing the extremely rich?

What happens when the Rich run out of money?
even if you take close to alll their money it still wont be enough to cover an extra 80million people...also how do you cover and extra "40+" million people with no new doctors? =P

Korpg said:

but it IS happening. They are trying to shut down talk radio, it IS going to take effect in 2012.

links please? =x I thought they were still just lurking and planing
Like FCC czar Mark Lloyd


That was their initial idea. Don't ask me, lol! Just like the idea that floated around about dividing California up into 4 states. w00t
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You guys bore me with politics and information that I won't care to remember tomorrow. XD
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Politics are lame.
Health care is lame.
Everything is lame.
Except me of course.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-09-09 22:25:00
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Korpg said:
Chaosx said:

I thought the public option was supposed to be paid for by taxing the extremely rich?


Why do you want to tax the extremely rich for being rich? You should tax everyone at a flat rate, and give discounts on taxes for being poor.

If you tax people JUST because they are rich, then whats the point in trying to BE rich? More taxes? What the *** is up with that statement?

Why do YOU want the extremely rich to be taxed? Because they are more sucessful then you? Then get off your lazy *** and get to work, because there is NOTHING stopping you from getting rich.

Taxing the rich because they are rich is, guess what, a COMMUNIST idea. Thats not right to punish somebody because they worked harder than you to get that money.

Ask Obama and the Democrats this, not me, it wasn't my plan! I just know this was their initial idea.
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By Asura.Luelle 2009-09-09 22:25:31
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Alyria said:
You guys bore me with politics and information that I won't care to remember tomorrow. XD

QFT
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:25:48
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Chaosx said:


That was their initial idea. Don't ask me, lol! Just like the idea that floated around about dividing California up into 4 states. w00t


you guys already get enough senators damnit!
lol
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Freedom to what you want to the extent that you're *** over everyone else in the process, including your own customers? lol It's kind of shocking to see and hear people argue on behalf of insurance companies /while/ they're being *** in the *** for the sake of 'merican freedom. Where is it said that they're going to force private companies to pay for public healthcare? Specifically.

Mentioning "socialism" in any capacity is a joke stirred up by unhappy people who have nothing better to argue upon other than a word that scares people. It may as well be McCarthyism. lol

How are insurance companies *** you over? You honestly think they have no bills to pay? You honestly think that they make a 50% Margin? Think again.

I'm fairly sure that the most ANY insurance company gets is a 5% Margin. Thats not a whole hell of a lot of money every year. Thats barely enough to survive and grow on.

Companies don't get rich just to screw the consummer over. They get rich to thrive and prosper, and grow into a bigger company. The bigger they are, the smaller they grow, until they reach a point of no growth. This is the time in the companies life to try to keep that point stable, and as soon as it is unstable, the company will fall.

Big corporations are actually the biggest donors to all sorts of causes also, they run the biggest charaties, and they support economies in 3rd world countries and help then DEVELOP into 2nd world countries. Take Mexico for example. You honestly think that without the support of corporations that they would be about to be as rich and prosperous as they are? I know they aren't as rich as the USA, but they are a HELL of a lot better now than they were 40 years ago.

Like it or not, you try to take away corporations and all of the sudden, you are looking at life in Africa at home. If you want to live like tribes, go to Kenya, and leave us AMERICANS the *** alone.
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By Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra 2009-09-09 22:27:32
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Reminds me of when Obama won and my whole school was going crazy with glee. They loved the idea of taking from the rich, giving to the poor.

In class one day, I remember silencing most of them with one simple statement:

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Well, being in AP we all have 95%+ averages. I propose that we split our averages with people not passing and barely passing. Let's all take averages of around a 70%. It's only fair.


Is that the gist of what's going on?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-09-09 22:27:38
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Luelle said:
Politics are lame.
Health care is lame.
Everything is lame.
Except me of course.

You're lame.
Chaosx said:

Ask Obama and the Democrats this, not me, it wasn't my plan! I just know this was their initial idea.


Maybe if it was actually obama and dems actually writing bills instead of crazy far left interest groups and the apollo alliance writing those bills =p
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-09-09 22:29:32
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Ludoggy said:
Caiyuo said:

Mentioning "socialism" in any capacity is a joke stirred up by unhappy people who have nothing better to argue upon other than a word that scares people. It may as well be McCarthyism. lol

Everyone says "socialism" cause...well besides this how Canadian healthcare started..."you can keep your insurance if you like it...but if you lose it big brother is here" well after awhile its only big brother left.

Honestly...if I ran my own company and then there is a government option..you know damn right I'm kicking all my employees to the curb and telling them to go with government.
That's assuming there will be no provisions for companies to benefit by insuring their employees which would be silly to attempt to pass public insurance without such provisions. So far I'd guess it'd just be another tax cut for a company. Either way the upside being if that's how you treat your employees they'll no longer have to stick with you for the sake of employer-based healthcare, which can certainly happen for working adults.
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