Obama Cries Over Snowden

this is odd, atavistic thinking.

the most bloated defense budget in the world, & somehow meeting with another superpower makes us weak?

I don't think so.

Oh boy, being poisoned via isotope or being tortured at a secret CIA black ops facility until I ***my pants. Can I just opt for being shot by firing squad instead?

I mean we can argue which country is worse but frankly the idea that the US isn't engaging in some of the same things that make Russia such an inhospitable place to freedom loving individuals is laughable and we're only moving further in that direction.

Not sure what any of this has to do with Freedom of Speech...

Manning let out a ***load of information that did in fact compromise security abroad and messed with foreign relations... Good intentions do not make an act good... even in the trial they admit that he released many things that he shouldn't have...

Arresting and breaking up protests? Are you talking about protests in the US? There are plenty of protests that go on all the time with no interruption... Hell there are some every week that I used to watch from the window in my building... People who are arrested at protests in the US are usually released pretty quickly and its usually for doing something stupid not just protesting... or things get out of hand though there have been some pretty shitty acts committed by cops... I'm personally not aware of anyone being arrested for a substantial period of time for simply protesting though I could be wrong on that...

In the immortal words of Lee Ving....

swap out budwieser for vodkaa and it's just russia 2.0 over here with less history.

The corrected version of that is that some southern politicians do want to pass laws that would imprison, detain or oppress gays.

Politicians are elected by people so on some level the people feel the same way. Of course that doesn't mean everyone wants to but the most fevered Bible beating morons don't elect themselves and Rick Santorum wasn't a bad, diarrhea induced dream.

He would not get a couple years or just a fine for what he did... even just the stuff you admitted he should be prosecuted for...

I think you misunderstand me and I don't know if I even understand what you're getting at but Im not talking about examining a computer so they can build that computer themselves... I'm talking about taking everything Snowden had with him and making copies of it so they have all the information that Snowden stole from the US government... Information that they should not have...

So you don't see how the government having a head hunt for a whistleblower might be problematic?

Well I guess you could just ask yourself where you would rather live...

Edward Snowden, a good case of:

Do the means justify the ends or do the ends justify the means?

I can't wait to see who plays him in the inevitable movie that will result from this. If Julian Assange can get one, then dammit Snowden can get 90 mins of screentime!

I said nothing of the sort... I said I was not aware that they were attempting to kill him... Do you have proof that this did as much? Because Snowden himself said that while he did not discount that it is a possibility that he saw no evidence at this time that they had made an attempt on his life... I mean unless you have information that I don't have that they did this...

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying that there's a difference in severity of moral lapses between Russia and the United States. It's not fair to ignore this.

Morality is an opinion anyway, so the debate is pointless.

I disagree, & will continue to ignore this.

I'm not ignoring it. It would require dissecting both nations and making subjective assessments of actions each nation has taken. There are certain issues I think we're ahead of Russia on like general daily human rights for citizens and overall freedoms. Take things up to the governmental level and it gets hazy quick.

I just felt it was unfair to toss out 'human rights violations!' or 'arming regimes!' on Russia like some great moral judgment when the US clearly skirts rule of law, human rights and regimes as it sees fit. Things are quite a bit more complex than a good/bad judgment here. Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides.

Not quoting and editing down that whole post on my offer. It's directly above my post he quoted.

Absolutely it does. Russia did this in spite of our requests. Why give them what they want? Make their ego a little bigger? I see no point.

then you loose sir!

/does the entire gene wilder you loose scene from willy wonka and the chocolate factory

GOOD DAY SIR!

No blazed yet?!?! /shocked

we would have done exactly the same thing had snowden been a russian national tattling on them. keeping a dialog going with other superpowers in just as beneficial to us as it is to them, throwing a temper tantrum over a problem that we created makes us look stupid, imo.

"We can't let their ego eclipse ours!" is exactly how wars get started rather than rational people hashing things out at the treaty table even if they don't really like eachother much.

America has enough phallic shaped missiles to be secure about itself. We aren't going to look weak unless the army we go up against is a ragtag militia of religiously and economically motivated irregulars. Then perhaps things get murky and that's only because we have issues with leveling entire civilian populations. One reason the 21st century trumps previous centuries of warfare as hellish as warfare is already.

The notion that we could 'look weak' is hilarious though. Yeah man, all those F-22s, Aircraft Carriers, ICBMs and nukes make us look soooooooo weak. All we need at this point is an ion cannon that rains death from space.

Not too long ago 10 or so russian spies were found out here in the states and not too long after that they were sent back to Russia in a trade...

Not saying we haven't turned spies or taken in political dissidents, though I don't know much at all about it, but we've dealt with them before on this... and they've done the same to us... so I mean... it's not that surprising to see this happen...

Beyond all that just because we might do the same or its been done before isn't an excuse to do nothing when it happens... not only that but this is highly publicized as well... to take a hit and do nothing is foolsih as well.. The idea is that this hurts Russia a lot more than it does us by not showing up to the meeting...

I think we both lose anytime political leaders refuse to sit down and have diplomatic discussions no matter how fruitless it may seem. The more often two parties meet, the greater the chances some progress could be made.

Demained already! *** yeah!!!

that's what we get for not agreeing with everything everyone says.

/losermusic.mp3

Blame Snowden for running to a country we had a meet with then!

That's not necassarily true anyways...

Sorry, little late to the party, but here we go.


That is the only defense people have when they call Obama a crybaby.

So point still stands.

I was a little slow on the quoting, so it looked like I was talking to Sparth, sorry.

See ya guys in about 2-5 hours, hopefully I get lots of love then!