Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
we have more female teachers who give male students worse grades because they are boys
And again, feminist =/= man hater
Washington State Gets Rid Of "sexist" Language
Washington state gets rid of "sexist" language
Never encountered this. And most of my teachers were female too.
And again, feminist =/= man hater
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: »
Feminism is what sexists call anti-sexism.
You don't have to consider the genders unequal to see that feminism is nowhere near a push for equality.
http://community.feministing.com/2010/06/07/being-allies-against-male-circumcision/
http://feministing.com/2010/06/15/redefining-parenting-paid-daddy-leave-vs-the-fight-for-maternity-leave/
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Damn two things I'm impressed.
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
we have more female teachers who give male students worse grades because they are boys
And again, feminist =/= man hater
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
we have more female teachers who give male students worse grades because they are boys
And again, feminist =/= man hater
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
"We can’t honestly call ourselves allies until we start doing these things."
It's an article by a feminist stating what she'd like to see out of feminism, not the reality of current feminism.
Again, this is just an article talking about the issues. It's from a feminist source, but it's not any form of action against the issues. The rallies do not focus on these things.
This is what I imagine reading this thread:
Not a hamster, but it'll do.
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Not a hamster, but it'll do.
Thread reminded me of this scene. I laugh hysterically every time I watch it. Worth your time.
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Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
I was arguing that male rape is a serious problem, and part of the reason it's ignored is the stereotype that men are animals. I'm not sure where your standpoint is. I only pointed out common things men seem to have to fight for that are frequently ignored- domestic abuse support, rape support, fairness in custody hearings. Are you arguing that these aren't problems for men?
However, as you seem to be true to same respect for both genders i would like to know what exactlöy brought you upon the realisation that feminism is "equlality" for both genders?
i do not mean this in any disrespectful way, i am merely interested what drives your gears in a personal manner. as you stated those unfair treatments that men get in divorces, or that men get raped too but are seen as funny or not worthy of discussion, are real problems. They do however get pushed back and called unimportant by the very feminist leaders you seem to be holding onto.
This doesn't make sense to me.
It's like saying you are a chritian but you don't believe in the resurrection.
See, I've never once said I follow any "feminist leaders". The majority of the movement that I have seen fights for true gender equality, male and female. The idea of gender equality is the basis of my take (and many others) of the feminist movement, and you can't have gender equality with either side having special rights. That's why I don't like getting special treatment as a girl, good OR bad. I hold doors open for guys, and if someone tries to do something chivalrous for me I politely decline. There is no "true feminist doctrine". That's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. There is no litmus test for feminism. It's not a religion. You asked about me personally, and while I identify as a feminist, that doesn't mean I can't care about men's problems too, just like when there are male feminists. There are men I care about and I feel they shouldn't get screwed over, even if society benefits them as a whole in a lot of cases. That doesn't excuse them getting screwed over though.
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
"We can’t honestly call ourselves allies until we start doing these things."
It's an article by a feminist stating what she'd like to see out of feminism, not the reality of current feminism.
Again, this is just an article talking about the issues. It's from a feminist source, but it's not any form of action against the issues. The rallies do not focus on these things.
It is a real problem that more isn't done for the issues men and women share with gender equality. It is a real problem that some feminists don't acknowledge these things. Still, I was trying to make the point that it's a thing in the movement, and it's getting better. Movements like this are ever changing, anyways.
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
It's a real problem that you've become so emotionally invested you're linking things with no content in the hopes people will back down without taking the time to read them. I get it, you are a 'real' feminist and you believe in equality. That is not the direction the movement has been going, and there's nothing to suggest that's the direction the movement will go. You need to take a realistic look at the changes that have been brought about by feminism, and those that will be brought about in the future.
I'll repeat myself, watching the videos Saevel linked by GirlWritesWhat is an extremely informative experience that touches on a lot of the issues feminism completely overlooks in their quest to further women's stature.
I'll repeat myself, watching the videos Saevel linked by GirlWritesWhat is an extremely informative experience that touches on a lot of the issues feminism completely overlooks in their quest to further women's stature.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
That and sometimes the foreskin can make it really hard and uncomfortable to go to the bathroom from what I hear, depending if it engulfs the whole penis.
....God, why do I know this?
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Personally, I was circumsized as an infant and I'm a little bit bothered that I'll never know the maximum feeling I could have had during sex. It's not a life-ruining thing, but as enjoyable as it is now, it's always going to be a little bothersome to know it could be better. I do feel that circumsized penises are more aesthetically pleasing, but very few women seem to care to any extent and I'd much rather have the additional feeling.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Some could argue in countries with very high HIV rates it decreases infection, but it's largely medically unnecessary in developed countries. It's more a debate over the bodily integrity of the young boy, not giving them a choice in the matter. Some say the snips diminish feeling in the area. Also, there is a small rate of complications with the procedure on newborns, including death. (rarely)
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Personally, I was circumsized as an infant and I'm a little bit bothered that I'll never know the maximum feeling I could have had during sex. It's not a life-ruining thing, but as enjoyable as it is now, it's always going to be a little bothersome to know it could be better.
I'm curious as to how it works, and I think they do it early because later on the risks of performing a surgery on the fully developed organ could probably induce a more permanent feeling loss.
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
It's a real problem that you've become so emotionally invested you're linking things with no content in the hopes people will back down without taking the time to read them. I get it, you are a 'real' feminist and you believe in equality. That is not the direction the movement has been going, and there's nothing to suggest that's the direction the movement will go. You need to take a realistic look at the changes that have been brought about by feminism, and those that will be brought about in the future.
I'll repeat myself, watching the videos Saevel linked by GirlWritesWhat is an extremely informative experience that touches on a lot of the issues feminism completely overlooks in their quest to further women's stature.
I'll repeat myself, watching the videos Saevel linked by GirlWritesWhat is an extremely informative experience that touches on a lot of the issues feminism completely overlooks in their quest to further women's stature.
It's so telling that you keep throwing out the word "emotional" to discredit anything I post that you can't reply to. Also, I had no idea liking posts did anything other than liking them, as I told you earlier this is the first thread I've participated in. Who's throwing out ad homonyms now?
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Personally, I was circumsized as an infant and I'm a little bit bothered that I'll never know the maximum feeling I could have had during sex. It's not a life-ruining thing, but as enjoyable as it is now, it's always going to be a little bothersome to know it could be better.
I'm curious as to how it works, and I think they do it early because later on the risks of performing a surgery on the fully developed organ could probably induce a more permanent feeling loss.
Infection is a big risk, and also they can cut too much and cause some really bad pain conditions when they're older, also they can even snip...parts of it off accidentally. Which just sounds terrible >.<
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
and you can't have gender equality with either side having special rights.
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don't like getting special treatment as a girl, good OR bad.
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I hold doors open for guys, and if someone tries to do something chivalrous for me I politely decline.
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You asked about me personally, and while I identify as a feminist, that doesn't mean I can't care about men's problems too, just like when there are male feminists. There are men I care about and I feel they shouldn't get screwed over, even if society benefits them as a whole in a lot of cases. That doesn't excuse them getting screwed over though.
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Personally, I was circumsized as an infant and I'm a little bit bothered that I'll never know the maximum feeling I could have had during sex. It's not a life-ruining thing, but as enjoyable as it is now, it's always going to be a little bothersome to know it could be better.
I'm curious as to how it works, and I think they do it early because later on the risks of performing a surgery on the fully developed organ could probably induce a more permanent feeling loss.
Infection is a big risk, and also they can cut too much and cause some really bad pain conditions when they're older, also they can even snip...parts of it off accidentally. Which just sounds terrible >.<
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Its equally as positive for a woman.
Dunno if it matters but talked to a lot of guys who've had..phimosis(totally not sure how it's spelled in english)problems and said they wished they were circumcized as children instead of an age where you can't remove the trauma, lol. From my understanding it's a very widespread issue.
Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
and you can't have gender equality with either side having special rights.
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don't like getting special treatment as a girl, good OR bad.
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I hold doors open for guys, and if someone tries to do something chivalrous for me I politely decline.
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You asked about me personally, and while I identify as a feminist, that doesn't mean I can't care about men's problems too, just like when there are male feminists. There are men I care about and I feel they shouldn't get screwed over, even if society benefits them as a whole in a lot of cases. That doesn't excuse them getting screwed over though.
I am not saying feminism gives special rights. I am saying that feminism fights to have womena and men treated equally, which means no special rights for either.
Plenty of women buy into the double standard that women need special treatment so they can be kidgloved and get away with ***, sure. I call them out of that.
I am a feminist because it is fighting for pure gender equality, which is the same thing you seem to be arguing for. We're agreeing here, and I'm not sure why you don't see that.
Circumcision is medically considered an elective procedure. If the foreskin develops wrong, in rare cases, it can squeeze the penis resulting in some problems. This can be treated through circumcision.. and does not carry any higher risks than doing it at birth. I would gladly have taken the risk of going through it later in life given the low probability of these occurances and the obvious benefits of having a more sensitive dingaling. If I had a child, knowing my own thoughts on it, I would not have them circumcised. Anesthesia goes a long way, and while phimosis isn't obscenely rare: 50% of people will have a retractable foreskin by 1 year of age, 90% by 3 years of age, and 99% by age 17 without medical intervention.
I read and addressed both of your articles in a prior post. So, again, you would be the one throwing out ad homonyms. If your goal is simply to win, you're already assured that due to your gross overconfidence in your own point. Nothing I say seems capable of changing your idealistic view of feminism. If you're looking to educate yourself and others around you, perhaps you should focus more on the points brought into the picture than attempting to garner sympathy. Again, those videos are incredibly informative and well-thought-out. They're even presented by someone with a vagina.
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It's so telling that you keep throwing out the word "emotional" to discredit anything I post that you can't reply to. Also, I had no idea liking posts did anything other than liking them, as I told you earlier this is the first thread I've participated in. Who's throwing out ad homonyms now?
Sorry for derailing with penis talk, carry on with feminism. Vagina rules, or something.
Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Its equally as positive for a woman.
Idk....I have heard some women that like them as nature made them >.> Seriously, there's science behind it, it's more protected from friction and gives it more natural lubrication and why am I talking about this
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry for derailing with penis talk, carry on with feminism. Vagina rules, or something.
Phoenix.Melpomenae said: »
Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Sorry if I'm not that well informed about the weewee, but isn't circumcision ultimately a positive thing for the man?
Its equally as positive for a woman.
Idk....I have heard some women that like them as nature made them >.> Seriously, there's science behind it, it's more protected from friction and gives it more natural lubrication and why am I talking about this
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Circumcision is medically considered an elective procedure. If the foreskin develops wrong, in rare cases, it can squeeze the penis resulting in some problems. This can be treated through circumcision.. and does not carry any higher risks than doing it at birth. I would gladly have taken the risk of going through it later in life given the low probability of these occurances and the obvious benefits of having a more sensitive dingaling. If I had a child, knowing my own thoughts on it, I would not have them circumcised. Anesthesia goes a long way, and while phimosis isn't obscenely rare: 50% of people will have a retractable foreskin by 1 year of age, 90% by 3 years of age, and 99% by age 17 without medical intervention.
I read and addressed both of your articles in a prior post. So, again, you would be the one throwing out ad homonyms. If your goal is simply to win, you're already assured that due to your gross overconfidence in your own point. Nothing I say seems capable of changing your idealistic view of feminism. If you're looking to educate yourself and others around you, perhaps you should focus more on the points brought into the picture than attempting to garner sympathy. Again, those videos are incredibly informative and well-thought-out. They're even presented by someone with a vagina.
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It's so telling that you keep throwing out the word "emotional" to discredit anything I post that you can't reply to. Also, I had no idea liking posts did anything other than liking them, as I told you earlier this is the first thread I've participated in. Who's throwing out ad homonyms now?
Never tried to win, or garner sympathy. The only reason I've kept posting is to try and make yall understand that I am not disagreeing with you on some of these major points, we're on the same team, not mutually exclusive, ect.
Also, how many times do I have to repeat myself? I said that I am not representative of the movement as a whole, only that I've experienced more friendliness to men than some think. Dear god.
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