The Mentally Disabled State Of Texas (Loud And Clear)

Let me counter your supposed straw man argument with several of my own! lol

Do you realize agriculture is one of the most protected industries in the US? Same with oil. Protected, in this sense, means it receives tax breaks, incentives, tarrifs against imports, etc.

The south has a very large portion of their population on social security and medicade/medicare.




The south has some of the highest poverty rates in the US

If you looked at a county-by-county ranking instead of state-by-state you would find some very interesting patterns regarding voting patterns, demographics, crime, and poverty in those states. There is a good chance for a mass migration to the remaining states. As for tax breaks, who needs a tax break from a government you no longer belong to? Again, I am not advocating secession, but you can't say that a tax break is absolutely beneficial anymore than I can take $10 from you, give you $5 back, and expect you to thank me.

Also, that graph does not take into account TX has lower than avg cost of living because of no state income tax.

There is no way you can actually believe that those are the issues unless you are just pulling things out of your butt to justify your delusions of superiority.

We're not talking about people being upset because they are required to show up for work or do something while they're there. We're talking about being required to work extended shifts without overtime pay in many situations, required to work religious holdiays under the guise of "at will employment", substandard insurance and retirement options, the constant threat of being replaced simply because you have been there long enough to be elidgable for benefits. These are all very well documented practices of companies like Walmart.

It's bad management to ever let your employees believe they're irreplacable, but constantly showing people the door to save a buck on benefits or running a revolving door to take advantage of federal tax credits for creating jobs is utterly despicable.

Neither does FL, it's doing better poverty wise.

Also, this wasn't just about TX but the claim that people in the South are more hard working and take less government handouts.

Yes, it is a poverty map so I expect to find poverty. I would also expect to find higher unemployment and higher levels of crime. Demographics, blame it on the immigrants? Uh huh.

I've already mentioned why seceding is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Are you advocating that the entire south secede now?

You ignored everything I said except tax breaks, which fyi, is not how a tax breaks works in the US. You don't need to prepay all of your taxes to the federal government before filing your taxes. Which means your "tax break" money can be sitting in a financial account earning interest or being used to pay for lobbysts, whichever the business thinks would be more beneficial.

Any person who thinks their state would be better off seceding is foolish, but I do think TX would handle it the best. Its the nations largest exporter of goods and has enough natural gas/oil/minerals that could sustain itself, as it supplies 30% of Americas oil/gas. And all the agriculture here as well

People tend to stop producing goods like oil and food when their entire savings disappears and they no longer have a valid form of currency. Succession has far more implications than your current industry and economics.

Really businesses are fleeing from here? Funnily enough, we had a huge jump in the right direction of our unemployment number last month with record businesses coming into the state.

All I know is that you are from Texas and now I have a reason to never go there. You sicken me more than any person I have ever interacted with in my life. You are a highly intellengent person, I will agree, but you're also a huge hypocrite.

TIL Silicon Valley is in decline and heading towards Texas. Or something.

tl;dr NYC is still the king :0

Holy assumptions/blatant ignorance of american history batman.

I am in no way jelly of corporate greed/"success" nor do i wish to be that kinda of "successful" nor am i madbro at "success" in any way.

I just wouldnt like to see the country turn back into the people literally working themselves to death for little to nothing because they have no choice as one business runs everything and is the only hiring entity. You didnt have choices in the industrial revolution age before these laws, you certainly wont if you strip away all or part of the legislation holding that back. But you are right, that is well beyond the point of actually making any type of relevance.

Sounds like you're the one spouting ignorant rhetoric without reading. Or jumping to conclusions, i havent decided which would sound more liberal and drag this out for 19 pages.

-You also mentioned "Welfare Queens" which is an ignorant propaganda rhetoric which targets a minority and props it up as the majority.

-comparing apparent twisting of words to "slave labor".

-Walmart pays minimum wage (In some cases above), but has forced all its full-time employees out and brought in a flood of part time employees with no benefits. Walmart is also the closest thing to a legal monopoly and performs as such.

-a job is a job, saying that they do not do physical labor (not even breaking a sweat or a nail!?) so they shouldn't *** is being lazy in itself and not recognizing the issue.

-You also describe people as items to be bought,which is not true. An employee can name any wage they feel their skillsets and abilities in that particular field are valued at as long as it is okay with the employer and as long as it is above minimum wage.

-If people think jobs are beneath them we wouldnt have trashmen or postal delivery people. The problem is finding jobs not the qualities of the positions.


Its only a straw man because you know its right. These politicians and corporate heads only want those laws stripped so they can force $.1 an hour,lax safety procedures,lax product safety standards,and lax waste disposal to save themselves money at the cost of nothing for themselves. This is not propaganda,this is not rhetoric, this is the facts of rampant capitalism in the good ole black and white of whatever chapter in your middle school history book the industrial revolution,minimum wage,the robber barons,and anything related to the 19th century is about.

Technology is here to stay, those markets may ebb and flow, but they are solid as cement as a whole. The sheer volume of talent and knowledge compressed into Silicon Valley almost ensures its not going anywhere. Even with Microsoft's attempted expansions in the pacific northwest and things like Intel setting up facilities in AZ, it hasn't phased the epicenter of technology.

Do your own research or change your avatar. I said county-by-county, not state-by-state. It paints an entirely different picture, and your line of thinking is old and debunked numerous times. You want to paint the states negatively as a whole when what you really have is isolated counties bringing the averages way down. Try to wish it away, but reality won't allow it.

That's EXACTLY what I'm advocating... except for the 2-3 times I specifically said I was not advocating secession.

Oh, so that was "advice"? I guess words don't have meanings here. Tell you what, if businesses only go where uncertainty is absent, how do you explain the flight of businesses to China, India, and other more volatile regions? That's a bigger leap than simply remaining in a newly-seceded Texas.

um what...

wth does their avy have to do with that...


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sorry let me just sit back

A monopoly for jobs? Seriously? They employ 1% of Amercia, a huge number to be sure, but not exactly a "monopoly". Why do you think they had to go to P/T workers (like most employers of unskilled labor)? That's right! The federal government. And by the way, I know you may have to front for the guys here on the forum, but you and I are both from the New Orleans area, and you know the Welfare Queen is no myth.

I'm saying that the reference to slave labor/sweatshops/whatever the asinine comparisons were is ridiculously overstated. I may be a doctor now, but I did my rounds in restaurants, retail, and hospitals. I know the mentality like the back of my hand.

No, no, NO! Your skillsets have a market value. Period. You can't be good at cutting grass and declare your market value as pulling $400/hr.

How do you figure? SOME people aren't too proud to earn an honest living, and many people are.

Okay, so if we say the EPA is obstructive and WAYYY overreaching then we must be for nuclear waste in our infant formula? That is a classic example of a straw man argument.

Because he uses an avatar I have used on other sites, the Credible Hulk, who uses facts. I just never imagined I'd see a liberal use it unless ironically...
;-)

Tenshibaby invoking facts,
now I've heard everything

Don't you mean you've seen? >.>

Documented sources? I must have missed those posts.

He just has it in for me and his anger drives him to type nonsense lol

Anyway, MY avatar is waiting for me to take her out for sushi. later...

It's because as we all know here, personal beliefs = facts as long as you try to spout it out at people long enough.

Your claim:

The only extraordinary claim here is yours.

Back up your theory with data. I pointed out that the states with the highest average poverty are in the South. I pointed out that a significant portion of the south receives social security and medicare/medicaid. This points to reliance on the federal government.

Refute me. You have you actually use sources rather than cop out with the "do your own research"




Yes, I can clearly see by these statements how you really aren't advocating for secession. /sarcasm

Who's "he"?

Talking about sylow?

If Texas wants to secede, let them, it'll backfire soon enough.

If/when it happens though, you sure as hell know I'm packing everything I own and moving back to Massachusetts. Mass. might be bad, but that might be worse.

Having that less than a 2 hour drive away doesn't seem like a fun time.

And I like fun times. D:

S/he was talking about that article comparing TX and CA economies. Red states take more than they give, for the most part.

And yeah, Kara, he is.

While he should not have been cleared if they wanted a conviction they should have tried him for 3rd degree/reckless endangerment if they wanted to win. The defense argued that he never intended to shoot the escort just the car she was trying to escape in. As such it can not be considered first or second degree murder by US law. Oh darn my education in Texas taught me something about laws. The fact is the prosecutor thought he had an open and shut case so they didn't prepare which caused them to loose. Sucks for the girl and her family and I agree he should not be let free because recklessly firing a gun like that is illegal in Texas, the prosecutor who tried the case was flat out awful and should loose their bar accreditation for this imo.