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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I think some people need to go back and take a refresher course on Home Economics, particularly cooking and baking. Of course, when I say that, I mean they should also include how to budget what they buy, so they can get the most out of buying less. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I think some people need to go back and take a refresher course on Home Economics, particularly cooking and baking. Of course, when I say that, I mean they should also include how to budget what they buy, so they can get the most out of buying less. Schools teach home economics still? The reality is that if family or close friends don't impart these skills onto you or you don't learn through your own personal interest you'll most likely just go for the Entemann's or whatever prepared food you can buy with money. It's amazing how many times friends of mine have actually been impressed that I, a 24 year old male can cook his own meals and by meals I don't mean boiling Kraft Mac 'n Cheese and pouring the cheese packet. I'm hardly an impressive cook and I don't see myself as anything other than a guy trying ***he sees in passing on Food Network but apparently that's enough to be noteworthy. Go figure. Siren.Flavin said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Odin.Jassik said: » More oversight and stiffer penalties would discourage people from abusing the system, for sure. Another big issue is how cryptic and undefined a lot of these programs are. The girl who won the lottery but was still entitled to welfare because she technically had no income is a good example. Why does it take that kind of exposure for the gaping holes in these programs to be addressed? Another example being the young couple I was behind in line at Fred Meyer buying a bunch of groceries with food stamps and a PS3 with cash. I think you should have to submit a full breakdown of your finances and be regularly auditted if you are receiving that kind of aide. That's not to say that people shouldn't be allowed some luxuries even while accepting aide, but they should have to justify thier non-escential expenditures. The 350 bucks they spent on the PS3 would cover the majority of thier food expenses for that month, how is it they can afford that but require assistance for food? I say strong possibility because of personal experience. When my brother got married and had a kid at the ripe age of 18, obviously they didn't have any money. They werent' on assistance, but I would give him money to buy gifts for the kids to avoid the shame of his sons seeing the whole family buying their clothes and things instead of thier parents. I doubt the kids would notice, but I know how it can affect a person's self worth knowing they can't provide for thier children. I know other people that have done the same. Again, it is just an observation and its equally possible that couple were riding some loophole that allowed them to afford $400 dollar entertainment purchases while qualifying for assistance. I wouldnt' say I chose to believe they are or aren't conning the system, it just strikes me as strange that my wife and I worked our butts off to afford the most basic of things for years only to see people getting aide that apparently can afford the food they bought with food stamps because they are using cash to purchase a playstation. From the outside it definately looks suspicious.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I think some people need to go back and take a refresher course on Home Economics, particularly cooking and baking. Of course, when I say that, I mean they should also include how to budget what they buy, so they can get the most out of buying less. Schools don't teach many life skills anymore. We had basic finance classes that dealt with budgetting and various life skills like basic cooking and sanitation. The killed most of those courses when "no child left behind" went into effect. Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » @Flavin: I noticed these trends in every field of work I've ever had the pleasure, or displeasure of working in. Promotions, Culinary, Security, and so forth. it's also quite evident just by talking to people and listening, watching how they work and interact with others. On the flip side, regardless of what they are paid, there are some people who do exceptional work, simply because they take pride in their work and efforts. Berated seems kinda harsh... Being berated is pretty harsh, and I've left jobs because of it. They aren't "forced" to keep the workers in most cases, they just keep them around because they are (and i'm quoting this from several former managers) "bodies to have around, in case we need someone." I've honestly done the work of what it takes 4 prep cooks with 8 hours each, in the span of 4 hours by myself. I've also had to constantly reorganize the day fridge. When something wasn't perfectly done, the Assistant Kitchen Manager, or floor manager would pull me aside, and *** at me. One of my previous kitchen managers even kept a guy on staff who had threatened to stab me. I did everything right in the situation, kept my cool, reported the incident, and the *** was still allowed to come to work the next day. Sad thing is, he spent most of his time goofing off, or eating company product while on the line. Aside from being lazy, he was also being rewarded for stealing - he ended up quitting long before they had the nerve to fire him. You'd be surprised how many times a stupid, lazy worker will get ahead just my stepping on the back of others to get to the top.
Happens all too often, and the higher ups are to busy to see what's really going on. So they get rewarded. It happened to my brother, and not even two months later the person responsible was fired. Too little, too late.
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There are tons of jobs that reward intentionally slowing things down to bank more profit. Construction jumps out or anything bureaucratic for that matter.
Further, a positive work ethic and a firm grasp of the job offends and threatens some higher ups who know full-well you could easily take their job and do it better so you're encouraged to slow it down, play a bit dumb if you desire to keep your position within this esteemed organization.
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When I was in High-school we were required to take "Independent Living" class or we wouldn't be allowed to graduate.
It covered everything from cooking yourself healthy, cost effective foods, to changing a car tire. We did also have to do shopping budget tests, learned about finance, credit card charges, and learned how to do some basic electrical wiring, among other things. The class taught a lot of things, just not everyone chose to take it seriously.
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Fenrir.Stiklelf said: » When I was in High-school we were required to take "Independent Living" class or we wouldn't be allowed to graduate. It covered everything from cooking yourself healthy, cost effective foods, to changing a car tire. We did also have to do shopping budget tests, learned about finance, credit card charges, and learned how to do some basic electrical wiring, among other things. The class taught a lot of things, just not everyone chose to take it seriously. We'd see a difference in the "I'm Special" generation, that's for sure. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I think some people need to go back and take a refresher course on Home Economics, particularly cooking and baking. Of course, when I say that, I mean they should also include how to budget what they buy, so they can get the most out of buying less. Schools teach home economics still? The reality is that if family or close friends don't impart these skills onto you or you don't learn through your own personal interest you'll most likely just go for the Entemann's or whatever prepared food you can buy with money. It's amazing how many times friends of mine have actually been impressed that I, a 24 year old male can cook his own meals and by meals I don't mean boiling Kraft Mac 'n Cheese and pouring the cheese packet. I'm hardly an impressive cook and I don't see myself as anything other than a guy trying ***he sees in passing on Food Network but apparently that's enough to be noteworthy. Go figure. Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll never go hungry again. It's a pretty sad state we live in as a set of first world nations (Canada and the US) when essential life skills that would severely cut down on government dependency are chopped from the educational cutting board. I used to watch various culinary shows like the Urban Peasant, which taught people about 100 different ways to prepare macaroni and cheese, for example. A box of Aunt Jemima's pancake batter ($3.50 for a 905g box) makes 52-59 pancakes, which is roughly 14-15cents a pancake. A dozen large eggs can be bought for $2.50, is 21c an egg (use 2, can make scrambled eggs for 4 people) a slice of fruit, a glass of milk, and *maybe* a few slices of bacon. That's roughly 1.25-1.50 for breakfast, for a family of 4, which also falls within the health and wellness guidelines of the Four Food Groups Pyramid. Somebodyloved mentioned he had to budget 10 dollars a day for 3 meals a day, for 4 people. Well, you're at 1.50/10.00 already. Also, a 10.00 bag of potatoes (usually around 20lbs) is doing a hell of a lot more for you and your family for a whole week, than a 1 dollar bag of chips will do when you multiply it for the same number of people, for the same amount of time. A bag of chips is roughly 75g or less. and most of the bag is filled with air. That's already 4 dollars a day for a SNACK bag. If you include it as a side to your meals, that's 8 dollars a day. That's 56 dollars on average you're spending, or 46 dollars you're over spending, that you could use a portion of that bag of potatoes to make healthier baked chips as snacks or as part of meals. Edit: I just saved you 46 dollars a week with that bag of chips/bag of potatoes analogy you used. Odin.Jassik said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Odin.Jassik said: » More oversight and stiffer penalties would discourage people from abusing the system, for sure. Another big issue is how cryptic and undefined a lot of these programs are. The girl who won the lottery but was still entitled to welfare because she technically had no income is a good example. Why does it take that kind of exposure for the gaping holes in these programs to be addressed? Another example being the young couple I was behind in line at Fred Meyer buying a bunch of groceries with food stamps and a PS3 with cash. I think you should have to submit a full breakdown of your finances and be regularly auditted if you are receiving that kind of aide. That's not to say that people shouldn't be allowed some luxuries even while accepting aide, but they should have to justify thier non-escential expenditures. The 350 bucks they spent on the PS3 would cover the majority of thier food expenses for that month, how is it they can afford that but require assistance for food? again one of the other million possibilities! another seemingly negative one brought up by you... It doesn't look suspicious to me at all... Edit: also forgot to add that just becuase it's your personal experience that a situation would be one way in no way makes it a strong possibility that it actually is that way...
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Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. You know what? I might be bitter about it all, sure. But I don't sit there and let it control the way I live my life. I learn from these people and make sure I don't let myself turn into them. I want to work for my pay, work for my retirement and education, not have someone do it for me. And by the way, you'd be surprised to hear how many people don't want to be on public assistance but have to.
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One should only believe half of what they hear, and half of what they see. Seeing someone do something doesn't tell the whole story. Wanting to say to these people "Stop having kids and work like I do" is extremely short sighted, and with this, I have to agree with Flavin and Jassik.
They have an education, they have two jobs they work hard at, but still require assistance to make ends meet, and buy groceries every week. Assuming you know the whole story, simply because you experience something you've seen, is damning everyone but yourself. There are certainly going to be people who abuse the system with the clear intent to do so, and those who abuse it without knowing it, but that doesn't mean they are the majority.
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Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. An old saying says "Don't envy others or what they have 'cause you've no idea what they've given up to obtain it." Well, something like that.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » One should only believe half of what they hear, and half of what they see. Seeing someone do something doesn't tell the whole story. Wanting to say to these people "Stop having kids and work like I do" is extremely short sighted, and with this, I have to agree with Flavin and Jassik. They have an education, they have two jobs they work hard at, but still require assistance to make ends meet, and buy groceries every week. Assuming you know the whole story, simply because you experience something you've seen, is damning everyone but yourself. There are certainly going to be people who abuse the system with the clear intent to do so, and those who abuse it without knowing it, but that doesn't mean they are the majority. I'm not speaking for the majority, but when all you hear is people going out to party spending their food stamp card and money for pointless stuff... it gets to you. I've said this before and I'll say it again, working Retail changes you, most of the time for the worse. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. An old saying says "Don't envy others or what they have 'cause you've no idea what they've given up to obtain it." Well, something like that. I have no kids, live with my boyfriend and we're doing just fine. I'm thankful for what I have and that's all I can say. Gotta work hard to be able to do more now. that's why I can never work a retail position. I hate
If your neighbors set your blood to boiling so quick you'd have an aneurysm seeing what larger companies do with regards to subsidies given to them by the government as these organizations wallow in unprecedented profits.
The rage at food stamp benefits is simple misdirection at its best. Being a welfare queen is no glamorous life and the misery is washed down with beers, drugs and whatever crap can be shoveled into the mouth to dull the void of worthlessness. Even the peasant farmer doing subsistence farming gets more out of the backbreaking work of maintaining a small farm than someone who has chosen to be on the system and never get off it.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » that's why I can never work a retail position. I hate They don't understand that you're not deaf or blind to the actions of other while you're taking care of them as well. You see these people talk on their phones, hell, I've had people tell me about how they're able to leech off the system and how I should abuse it because I was so nice. It saddens me that people think I'm close-minded, not knowing what I've experienced is just corrupt and downright wrong. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. Why be bitter about it at all? I mean you've already gone on about having morals and ethics... why can't knowing that be enough? Why let what other people do bother you like that? that's certainly something to strive for... but those are your goals and not everybody elses... Why would I be surprised about that? Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » One should only believe half of what they hear, and half of what they see. Seeing someone do something doesn't tell the whole story. Wanting to say to these people "Stop having kids and work like I do" is extremely short sighted, and with this, I have to agree with Flavin and Jassik. They have an education, they have two jobs they work hard at, but still require assistance to make ends meet, and buy groceries every week. Assuming you know the whole story, simply because you experience something you've seen, is damning everyone but yourself. There are certainly going to be people who abuse the system with the clear intent to do so, and those who abuse it without knowing it, but that doesn't mean they are the majority. Why let it get to you though? I mean I worked in retail for 2 years and it didn't change me any more than I was before... Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » that's why I can never work a retail position. I hate Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. Why be bitter about it at all? I mean you've already gone on about having morals and ethics... why can't knowing that be enough? Why let what other people do bother you like that? that's certainly something to strive for... but those are your goals and not everybody elses... Why would I be surprised about that? Because, usually, these are the people that make your very lives hell at the job you work. Work retail and see how these very people treat you. Like ***on your shoe that needs to be scraped off. Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » One should only believe half of what they hear, and half of what they see. Seeing someone do something doesn't tell the whole story. Wanting to say to these people "Stop having kids and work like I do" is extremely short sighted, and with this, I have to agree with Flavin and Jassik. They have an education, they have two jobs they work hard at, but still require assistance to make ends meet, and buy groceries every week. Assuming you know the whole story, simply because you experience something you've seen, is damning everyone but yourself. There are certainly going to be people who abuse the system with the clear intent to do so, and those who abuse it without knowing it, but that doesn't mean they are the majority. Why let it get to you though? I mean I worked in retail for 2 years and it didn't change me any more than I was before... Thing is, I did. I knew about a lot of people. Knew what they did, how they functioned, and all that. I knew. And honestly, I would have rather not known. I've proven I can manage people. I've worked as a team supervisor many times before. I've worked hard enough that the majority of my team has respect for me, and can do a task I need them to do, just by asking once. That takes stronger inter-personal skills. I can deal with people, I just can't deal with stupid people.
My entire life, people have been telling to take jobs educating others for one reason or another. I simply hate doing paper work. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I can deal with people, I just can't deal with stupid people. Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. I won't argue with having people you work with being unpleasant lol... I don't know if you can ever escape that wherever you work... though I never let it affect me to the point that I've taken the viewpoint you have... Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Valefor.Applebottoms said: » The difference is the effort used to get that said money. I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it. I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others. You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards. I apologize. I won't argue with having people you work with being unpleasant lol... I don't know if you can ever escape that wherever you work... though I never let it affect me to the point that I've taken the viewpoint you have... I've been trampled into the ground several occasions. The further down you go, the harder it is to get out of it. |
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