The Mentally Disabled State Of Texas (Loud And Clear)

Oh Economics seems to dictate that the lower your wage is the less likely you are going to work fulltime or much of it if you do work at all. This is true even if you will go hungry or even starve if you don't work.

If you are getting paid with very low wages, you will not work full time unless you have no other choice. If living off foodstamps and working minimal hours/wage is possible, you will choose that even if that option will leave you worse off than working full time. Take away food stamps and you might just kill yourself, living off garbage or just join the criminals but you are less likely going to work more hours with very low wage.

Actually, economics have dictated that the lower a wage a person works for, finds those workers seem to be the most depressed in their professions. What actually leads to people living on welfare/food stamps is economics itself. If they can't afford to live by working fulltime, have access to education/re-education for updated or new employable skills, then it's more economically friendly for them to receive 600 dollars a month in food stamps as well as another set amount of money from welfare. They get MORE this way for doing less.

the single highest demands for employment comes from food and hospitality in the US, where the majority of employees are servers, who receive little over 3 dollars an hour as a guaranteed wage. Employers will scoff tips, part of tips, or find reason to penny pinch them out of what a customer had left them. This leaves them without enough money for rent/food, and other necessities such as transportation or access to medicine. Many of them work multiple jobs just to make ends meet, and are still overwhelmed.

Granted, if you're not being paid well, you're less likely to work to your potential, causing standards to slip, quitting, finding work elsewhere, making excuses to not come to work because it's just so damn depressing. Hell, I've seen kids younger than me who get paid more do even less than bare minimum work, and get rewarded for it. Which brings me to another point - Employers, or atleast a large enough group of supervisors/managers/owners seem to punish hard work, and even discourage it, while rewarding lazy employees by letting them keep their jobs, and so on. It's a perpetuating cycle.

I thought part of the issue was that some folks could be put in the position where working full time would actually be the worse proposition as it would give them enough income to no longer qualify for food stamps while still being insufficient to sustain them. Work full time and be unable to pay bills vs work part time w/food stamps and be able to survive; A real catch-22. I don't know if that's an even remotely common scenario, but I've heard of it happening to people.

It's a flipside on a single coin - Not as common as it's made out to be, but common enough to hear about it more than you'd care to.

Who are you to decide what is decent food? I could argue that pork should not be bought with food stamps because some religions take offence to eating pork.

You say force them to eat healthy if there on food stamps, well do you also plan to pay more food stamp? Healthy Food tends to be more expensive then junk food. When a bag of chips are $1 a bag and a bag of potatoes $10 if your gonna force the Potatoes then you best be ready to dish out more to each person recieve stamps.

It would appear you may have misunderstood a few things I said, I mentions the sodas because I personally know someone who does this crap, she takes her stamps and buys friends a case or 2 of sodas for a few beers or a pack of cigs....***like that needs to be stopped. Also i do realize the people adopt but a buddy of mine in High school use to brag how his mom got $600 a month in stamps, she had 1 child but 4 on her case 2 where Hispanic the 3rd was a nephew who didn't even live in the same town and she was able to get bye with this for years.

Now you want support for a statement ive got all the support you could ever need its called life ive lived it been there done that, feed my wife and 2 kids on $320 a month stamps, now on your statement i should feed 4 people for around $10 a day 3 meals per day....When you figure how to provide a healthly meal for that price let me know,

Now before you say "i only said junk food like chips and soda's" Do you think the government will really stop there? Placing a quantity on things would be a good idea but its still not gonna solve to problem and store owners are gonna find ways around it just to make sales.

To fix the problem you have to start at the source the case workers are LAZY and have a high class complex issue (wheres my proof? Well hows a fellow co-worker who retired from CPS who now works part-time and complains that "when i worked in CPS if we where told to be there at 10 we got there at 10 had breakfast and then started working" when she is reprimanded for being late to work and not starting work on time)

Life my friend its the best proof that your liberal bull**** is nothing but more imprisonment on the american people.

I don't decide what is decent food, the health and wellness system does. Healthy people are able to get better jobs. A 10 dollar bag of potatoes can be used in over a dozen meals, as the crux of the meal. Swinging batshit crazy with the religion card doesn't make pork any more or any less decent food. It makes it a religious matter versus a health matter.

Not to mention, I brought this up solely because there are people like your buddy who use it to buy junk food in spades. Marketing and managing food stamps for healthy food, which lasts longer than a *** snack is a hell of a lot better than any kind of alternative you've offered - which was none. You swing wildly, and can't even hit a single fact with all the vigor you put into your responses.

I've reiterated many times in many different threads that I am not a liberal by any means. I'm an Independent voter. Supporting a statement with anecdotal evidence does not make a compelling argument, nor does it reinforce any kind of fact or possible argument. I'm also actually for getting people off of food stamps and welfare, by doing things that limit the dependency of it. If you're going to use the system, and the system wants you to use those food stamps for healthier foods that last longer and give better health benefits, then you have the choice to opt in to it, or out of it.

I have figured out how to provide a healthy meal for less than 10 dollars a sitting - it's called a series of events that include bargain shopping, local foodbanks, produce programs which sell organic produce for mere dollars for a hefty weight (in some cases, 25 dollars for 40 lbs of food) that even offer delivery if you can't pick it up. Not to mention you could always change what you eat, when you eat, how you prepare meals, and so forth. I've worked and educated myself in a 10 year career span as a cook which included meal planning. You're just bitchy because you can't plan for ***.

I just wish they could make it all like WIC, where it says on the voucher what you can't and can buy, and we even got a little booklet at Walmart saying what they could and couldn't.

I had a woman *** me out because she couldn't get the canned fruit she wanted with her WIC.

"Well it's all fruit right? Why can't I get it?"

When fruit is filled with artificial sugars and heavy syrup vs. water, there's a problem. :|

Or hell, at least require the people on food stamps to send in a receipt of their purchases every month that matches up to the amount spent on the card...

Just something needs to be changed to the system. Buying milk, eggs and fruits and veggies would help out a lot to those farmers more than Doritos and Coca-Cola.

This would all fly in the face of Democrats wanting to maximize the number of people getting handouts from the government. They will in no way ever restrict the use of food stamps and would stand in the way of any reforms.

That'd be great if there were no restrictions aorund the use of food stamps. But okay, Democrat commie liberals want the world on food stamps, not for there to actually be some type of program like foodstamps for the people that cant fiscally afford food. Yup, totally.

I never heard about the woman that remained on welfare... there was a guy in FL that won a million or two and he set it up in an account with deferred payements that kept his income low enough that he was still elligible to remain on welfare... and probably because who sits there and thinks to themselves that someone who wins the lottery is going to want or need to continue on with welfare...

As for the PS incident did you ever think that they put away $10-20 every paycheck and saved up for something like that? That it might have taken them 6 or so months to save up the money to get something like that...

If you want further and more detailed observation of each and every person on welfare with the government determing whether or not they are able to make purchases or what kind of purchases they are allowed... can they put money away for things like that or should they not be allowed to make any purchase like that until they get out from under government assistance... You'll also have to think about the cost and viability of such oversight... Most likely these jobs are already understaffed...

What field did you observe this behavior in?

You're also be surprised at what eating slowly with a smaller portion while drinking a large glass of water does to you..

A full meal in America nowadays usually fits as much on the plate as possible while having to feel extremely overfull or else you have to eat more.

No wonder why we're all so fat. :|

Edit: I don't feel as bad now: Mexico is now fatter than America, wtf?

I think the real problem with that is if you can save up 10-20 dollars a month for a PS3, then you should be using that money towards bills/rent/food, not for a luxury while relying on public assistance.

If I can't afford a PS3 when I have to pay my own bills with my own money with no handouts, why should someone else be able to get one with handouts?

It's not fair, that's what it is.

There is also the strong possibility that someone gave them money to appear to thier children as if the PS3 was from their parent's as a gift. There are a million possibilities, I can only comment on how it appeared as a bystander.

Unfortunately, there's no indication that life is or was ever meant to be fair.

10-20 dollars a month saved up for 6 months or more actually covers your allotted "recreation and entertainment" budget for those on welfare and food stamps.

@Flavin: I noticed these trends in every field of work I've ever had the pleasure, or displeasure of working in. Promotions, Culinary, Security, and so forth. it's also quite evident just by talking to people and listening, watching how they work and interact with others. On the flip side, regardless of what they are paid, there are some people who do exceptional work, simply because they take pride in their work and efforts.

You can make a breakfast for 4 fairly easily using cheap, but ultimately healthy foods. One of which was a breakfast which cost no more than 2.50 a plate. You can also make healthy and delicious snacks for as little as a 1.00 - 1.50, lunches for roughly 2.00 a person, mid day snacks for 1.00, and an evening meal for no more than 3.50 (usually less, which includes leftovers). Of course, using leftovers can drastically reduce your home food bills by leaps and bounds. If you're stuck eating ramen for meals (where I shop, they're 25c a package) you can bulk it up with bits of vegetables like carrot slices, peas, and bits of potato. A single carrot can be chopped up and served in 3-5 packages, a small handful of fresh peas, and even a 1/4 of a small-medium potato can be as well. Instead of throwing out raw meat bones or even cooked ones, you can boil them back up again to make soup stock, which again, cuts back so heavily on costs it's ridiculous.

That's the point I was making, is people see it as a "it's not fair" mentality.

Life isn't fair, I certainly know that. If it was, I'd weigh 100 pounds less, would have been living with my boyfriend 7 years ago and Paula Deen wouldn't have been caught spouting the N-word.

What I was saying is if you're under assistance you shouldn't have room to save money for recreation purposes, especially if others who earn their money by working can't.

Do I see it as fair? Nope. Will I still be angry about it? Probably. Do I just move on and do what I gotta to to live? Yep.

Also: I used to add veggies and stuff to ramen. Even with canned vegetables it's relatively cheap and delicious.

How do you know it's a "strong possibility" that someone else gave them the money? Not saying it isn't just interested on how you come to that conclusion... and if there are a million possibilities why do you, as a bystander, choose to believe their conning the system in some way when you have no actual details that lead you to that assumption?

NOT the worst abuse at all. Many small groceries run a scam. They take someone's card, charge nonexistent purchases on it, give the cardholder 50% - 70% of the total.


Waitafricking minuet. WHAT caseworkers? The few there are are horridly overworked. Examine people's cupboards? They don't have time to look at the school records of their cases' kids. After all when Republicans cut the civil service rolls, jobs that tend to be filled with Democrats (or at least the jobs that they KNOW just must be filled with Democrats), go first. So caseworkers, librarians, teachers, etc. all get RIFed.

If that's the law, then I support this ruling.

Didn't you just go on about how life isn't fair and how you understand that?

Should they not be able to go out and see a movie? or even go rent one for a dollar? Should they not allowed to have a television? Should w block anyone on public assistance from any luxury item or unecessary entertainment?

I don't really agree with your pov and don't think it would help they system either... Taking the "lifes not fair" stance and pouting your feet doesn't really account for anything other than a personal feeling...

While I have witnessed varying work ethics in different environments I don't think I've ever seen management reward workers for having a terrible work ethic and then go and punish those with a good work ethic... Do these people have some sort of reason for wanting their business to be sluggish or just don't care? Patronage or something involved?

Edit: from personal experience I've been slammed for things as little as "not leaving a proper note in the file" lol... I mean it's pretty hard to escape an environment where there is a lack of work ethic in certain employees but I've never seen it awarded while the good is punished...

As I was explaining before, this is the MENTALITY that people think when it comes to this issue.

Poor me, everyone has everything easy, and I don't.

I even said life isn't fair and I accept that.

To take my words and spin them around against me isn't fair either.

Am I complaining about that? Not really.

When I am saying is that when people think they're entitled to buying something and do anyways without thinking of the basic needs of life first that's when we run into problems.

Live within your means.

What I mean by rewarding lazy employees, is they are allowed to take breaks whenever, wherever, do the minimum amount of work (or less), and keep their jobs, while the hard workers are berated for things not being done, simply because they are seen as being more responsible. I could list endless amounts of anecdotal evidence supporting this claim, but that would be silly. It's a problem that's been recognized by employers and business experts all over North America. And it's also why so many businesses end up closing, especially new businesses.

I think some people need to go back and take a refresher course on Home Economics, particularly cooking and baking. Of course, when I say that, I mean they should also include how to budget what they buy, so they can get the most out of buying less.

Surprising enough, seems like people save more money by cooking and baking themselves instead of buying pre-made items already done.

Just gotta not be lazy, lol.

I do agree that you have talked about that being the common mentality and it's understandable... I even acknowledged that you said life isn't fair... Your response to what I said, disregarding your other posts on the topic, seemed to come from yourself but maybe I mistook you using I in place of the collective as an example of what others feel on the topic rather than your personal feelings/position...

You kinda are lol... I mean you couldn't even say no when you posed the question to yourself...

Their basic needs are being met already... they're buying the food... They are living within their means... they saved up and bought the luxury item... It's what people do that don't live with forms of welfare supporting them as well... If you take everything away from someone and don't allow them to do anything other than look towards the basic necessities well then that leads to a whole other set of problems lol...

Why can they have this and I'm not even allowed to have it?

The difference is the effort used to get that said money.

I can sit in my couch all day and earn a PS3, but I'd rather go work for it.

I have morals and ethics, which I can't say for others.

You did mistake the "I", because I didn't word it correctly in stating that I was explaining the mentality, not explaining that's how I think in regards.

I apologize.

If that's the case isn't it their own fault for having to close down then? Unless they were somehow forced to keep those employees on and to keep rewarding them...

Berated seems kinda harsh...