[Dev] Matsui: R/M/E/C Follow-up

"But seriously, Relics and Mythics can cost hundreds of millions of gil to make and can take months if not YEARS to finsh. Why should Empy owners get a free pass?"

Last I checked, taking an Empy from 90->99 cost hundreds of millions of gil. It also requires a fair amount of time (I wouldn't say years, but then again, I wouldn't say relics take years these days either, if you've already got the cash to buy the currency).

Wrong, no time constraints, it only requires gil. Mythics require time.

if you had the plates and Dross/Cinders fall into your lap you could go from 90-99 in 2 mins, it only takes time to procure.

Also, I'm not saying a 99 Empy doesn't take a lot of money, and I think 99 Empys SHOULD be upgraded, but 90s? Hell no. Either raise the money and get farming or move on.

Or they could still do it the way they intended it to be done..not being asked to be gived a +20 damage on my 85 and stick with it...but atleast stick to the concept that the trials were intended to be for anyway. This throws even having the 80-95 versions out the window.

This thread is starting to look familiar...I can't quite tell from where though...hmmmm~

lol, in any case my only gripe about even delve weapons being where they are (as far as dmg levels) is that they have no actual style...they all are so bland and disappointing to look at visually. Just my humble opinion.

again, nothing is stopping you at all from getting to 99. "I don't want to spend the time or money" is not an excuse

if you don't want to, there are many other options to get powerful weapons, do those.

im not saying that at all lol. Im saying there is an incredibly blatant balancing issue with doing it this way. The trials where designed the way they are to allow incremental damage increases as you completed them, with just adding damage to ONLY the 99 you throw that out the window and might as well not even waste the 30 or so lines of code for the 80-95 weapons,trials,and items. And the only thing stopping me personally from getting past 90 is time/money/people being idiots and abandoning the sinking ship that is non-adoulin content,so yes, getting HMPs and riftdross is "hard".

Also, i realize there are plenty of ways to make money but the issue of money:get items is not why im concerned with the way they are going about this...i could care less if my 85 empyreans have been "obsoleted".

well I think the main reason it's such a massive shift is that cause SE probably never planned to change R/M/E they probably thought they were just going to die out. Cause I mean they did say at first that they were not going to adjust the base damage on them.

but they probably got tons of hate mail so this was their compromise, also chances are you'll start seeing a lot more people doing VW when stats for the 99 upgrades are finalized, Supply and demand will fuel that, and hopefully they'll make the drops more plentiful

hell, all they really need to do is replace Crystal Petrifacts with HMP and the market will be flooded... and nothing is stopping them from adding HMP drops to other things as well, they've done it before a *bad* example is relic currency off campaign battles

*** the weapons. The world needs more 99 Daurdablas.

You are god Pleebo. This is the solution to everything....til SE decides to release a horn that gives 4 songs and +5 to all songs. And a shield that gives DT-50 that breaks the cap and gives converts damage blocked to HP and MP.

I'd say I'd be annoyed at all my hard work from daurdabla and gjallar but honestly... if it had both of those it would save me some pain in the arse on putting songs up. I could sing only the number of songs I want, not have to sing with Daurdabla first then overwrite... I'm okay with this!

They have worked themselves into a corner because the shields/instruments don't fit into their gear reset/treadmill model. With the rarity of HMPs and cinder, 99 harp becomes even more valuable!

Don't forget enhancing reprisal...

Adamochaegis!

Heavy metal plates don't come from a vendor. Someone has to farm them. Farming takes time.

In the case of HMPs, a really long time. Especially now that VW is dead.

This is still an MMORPG. In order for it to continue to grow, and be profitable they have to have people playing.

While R/M/E were goals for players, and allowed them to focus on obtaining by working towards them it never meant they would be the last of the last.

As the game develops, you can't expect the same gear or weapons to be viable. They'll continue to upgrade, and move along. Their main concern now is the backlash they have had as they realized they kind of made people's hard work... worthless.

It's very nice of them to care enough to go back and say: "Hey sorry, we're gonna beef these up so they can still compete"

However, no where in his statement does it advise or indicate that R/M/E will ever be the top of their tier.

He simply advises that they'll be up there with the most powerful weapons.
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As for the cost and time further invested in these upgrades, as the game progresses I do agree that it would be nice to see either the requirement drop, or the ability to obtain Cinders/Dross/Umbral/Scoria become easier.

They did it for Dynamis Currency, no reason why they shouldn't for this content now at this point.

Imho, I'm a 90 Masamune holder, you guys probably seen my posts before but I just want to say, at first I WAS hoping they would boost at least from 90+ because as I said I'm a 90 holder on the road to 99 but...

The more I think about it the more I like the idea its 99 only, as for Emps its pretty much the same time/effort as a Relic. If you look at prices properly you'l see they'r pretty close aswel, the effort, you have to do Dynamis every day for 2 hours and buy currency/marrows, as for HMP you can do the same thing but with no time constraints. The trials leading up to an Emp 90 (before you start having to buy stuff) quick thinking is equivalent or even easier than the WS kill trials of a Relic (time and effort).

But anyway the reason I like the fact its 99 only is because now you'l be seeing a lot less R/E/Ms around which makes those weapons stand out more and (what I believe but no-one can truly tell) they will still be top of the range weapons especially some Mythics. I've gone and gotten the Delve GK for now and for sure that'l get me through many things including VW much faster (Felt good raping Jeuno T3 with it for fun).

My point is to other pre-99 holders get yourself a Delve weapon for now, work on VW hen you see it (People also want the gear from VW not just Plates etc. so there will be people to party with) Once the final stats are set in stone for everyone to see then I believe everything will pick up again.

Like others have been saying, if you ever wanted a R/E/M you should've been aiming for 99 anyway especially if its for your main job. (I admit to working on a Kannagi 85 in spare time but NIN's not my main and I just wanted Blade: Hi but now... WOE) So yeh, probably wont post anymore about this just will see what people are saying etc. Happy farming and good luck!

Take. The. Hint.

If this is confirmed to be a one-time upgrade (the translation is a bit unclear to me in that respect), it would be silly to upgrade weapons that aren't already 99 (or super close).

It does not clearly say that they will do it once and once alone
It just says they won't do it in short intervals - leaving it open for them to upgrade again in the future if they so desire

Absolutely loving how people are mad their 90 weapon isn't gonna scale and will become useless, as if it wasn't a piece of ***months ago.

I'm pretty sure he meant to get a Mythic, you have to events with limited entry time. Einherjar and Nyzul Isle say hello.

You can obtain Currency and HMP's outside of Void Watch and Dynamis from other players work. Ichor and Nyzul Points cannot.

Dear SE:

get rid of crystal petrifacts in the same treasure pool slots as the major items, or just make them buyalble with cruor like the KI for prov watcher, that way the people 'new' to T6 VW can still selectively participate unlike those of us who have like hundreds of kupo items at this point and don't even need to remotely see a petrifact...ever.again.

Introduce a heavy metal purse that gives 2-6 heavy metal on lower tiers say Home city IV, Jeuno T3 Trio, Tav/Aht level 1 instead of a single plate...and in zilart cange Heavy metal pouches count to 6-15. Little things like this would increase people's interest since they know they will get greater returns.

that and abolish the completely *** .6% chance that items will fall into your chest.

I plead the fifth.

At this point idc if they even bump my polearm up. It's just like the old days, the only DD people are gona want is a SAM with a Hagun, i mean Ugu.... All I can say is I hope realm reborn is good. Not ready for a franchise that i have loved since the F'ing super nintendo to die to me.

The plates idea sounds cool but I dont think they need to bother increasing the drop rates of the equipment since most are trash now anyway. Only thing I can think of that is still useful are the meikira meikogai and to a lesser extent heka's and anhur (both of which are macro pieces which you can live without anyway).

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.

According to the 2012 Vana'diel Census, there were 578 completed mythics and 696 lv99 emps in may 2012. About time for another one of those to happen.