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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 14:11:52
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-05-14 14:16:38
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It was one guy who said that... The rest of his party (among others)have already denounced this and called it something along the lines of a travesty to women's rights...
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 14:18:25
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Siren.Flavin said: »
It was aLEADING POLITICIAN of the main opposition who said that... The rest of his party (among others)have already denounced this and called it something along the lines of a travesty to women's rights...
ftfy

please provide source of his party openly making a statement.
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By Valefor.Fmaxgluttony 2013-05-14 14:23:03
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Sex slaves are illegal? I should probably let the three I have in my basement free then, Their random moans at night make me think my house is haunted.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-05-14 14:35:24
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This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 14:42:02
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-05-14 14:46:30
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Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
While that may be true, The Caucasion/American slavery of African peoples was also necessary to make it a global powerhouse. Without it, they wouldn't have industrialized nearly as fast, or as effeciently as they did.

That said, it doesn't make it any less wrong that it happened, and is just as, if not more, appalling because someone tried to justify it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2013-05-14 14:49:10
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Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.

for you perhaps...

I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.

Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-05-14 14:53:57
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Blazed1979 said: »
Siren.Flavin said: »
It was aLEADING POLITICIAN of the main opposition who said that... The rest of his party (among others)have already denounced this and called it something along the lines of a travesty to women's rights...
ftfy please provide source of his party openly making a statement.
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One of the strongest rebuttals came from a top official in Hashimoto’s own party.

“This is not something that’s coming out of our party. I think Mr. Hashimoto was expressing his own private opinions,” said Sakihiti Owaza, a senior official in the Japan Restoration Party. “If these comments continue, we will need to look into his true intentions and put a stop to this.”
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 14:53:58
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
While that may be true, The Caucasion/American slavery of African peoples was also necessary to make it a global powerhouse. Without it, they wouldn't have industrialized nearly as fast, or as effeciently as they did.

That said, it doesn't make it any less wrong that it happened, and is just as, if not more, appalling because someone tried to justify it.

Agreed with the last part. "Necessary" is a relative term.
I'm sure the native americans and african's who were exterminated or enslaved don't see anything that has happened to them as "necessary".

I'd love to see an American Politician come out and say that native american genocide or enslavement were necessary in today's political world. Would be a good show.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-05-14 14:54:20
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Appalling? Deeply worrying? How can you manage to live, when the mayor of one city of one country rocks your world this much?

You keep missing the point, even though you've said it yourself. "Were." "Were necessary."

Look, you read this and see:

"WE SHOULD CAPTURE AND RAPE CHINESE AND KOREAN WOMEN YAY!"

Other people read this and see:

"The people of that time were faced with problems, and regrettably, this was the best answer they could come up with."

There are probably millions of decisions made during WWII that would "appall" our sensibilities today. The actual point of looking at them is to either see if they could have done better, or to see what we can now do better.
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Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: »
Sex slaves are illegal? I should probably let the three I have in my basement free then, Their random moans at night make me think my house is haunted.
Ariel Castro? Is that you?
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Blazed1979 said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
While that may be true, The Caucasion/American slavery of African peoples was also necessary to make it a global powerhouse. Without it, they wouldn't have industrialized nearly as fast, or as effeciently as they did.

That said, it doesn't make it any less wrong that it happened, and is just as, if not more, appalling because someone tried to justify it.

Agreed with the last part. "Necessary" is a relative term.
I'm sure the native americans and african's who were exterminated or enslaved don't see anything that has happened to them as "necessary".

I'd love to see an American Politician come out and say that native american genocide or enslavement were necessary in today's political world. Would be a good show.

Yeah, let's identify that A was necessary in causing B, then laugh at people for saying "A was necessary for B."
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-05-14 14:56:33
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon. For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
for you perhaps... I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it. Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
Agree...
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By Gimp 2013-05-14 14:56:34
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I'm not too suprised honestly Japan has been doing this to the Koreans for much of history. I can see why you're frustrated but even with the advances in the world and the changes in thinking many people do not let go of what they feel attached to, in this case their nation's history which they feel a sort of pride to.

There are obviously many more differences and more complex but some people and situations can't be much different than they were hundreds of years ago, you still have peasants, the twisted, and all the other stuff.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-05-14 14:56:56
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Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.

We justified the use of water torture that was developed as far back as the 1500's for the Iraq War. How is that different?
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 14:57:37
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.

for you perhaps...

I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.

Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!

You understood what he was saying and agree then?

So you are more or less saying that in times of war, using foreign women to satisfy your troops violent sex urges cannot be avoided. Appeasing them by providing them sex slaves is necessary ?

Please correct me because I can't see how anyone can "understand what he is trying to say" and not condemn it without they themselves seeing it as not that much of a big deal and "necessary".
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-05-14 14:57:41
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.

for you perhaps...

I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.

Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
There is a psychological reality to this "necessity." Put thousands of men together with nowhere to focus their energy on occasion is a recipe for chaos. And I can't help but say I'm a little curious what Google terms led you to this video lol...
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-05-14 15:05:54
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Now that you mention it, i'm kind of curious too.
Keep in mind, blazed, that while WE may not understand the necessity of A in the end result of B, it happens anyways. The fact of the matter, is that SOMEONE saw it as an opportunity to further their goals, and required the manpower to do so, or enough of an incentive/appeasement to keep their workers/soldiers happy.

Again, it doesn't make such an act any less deplorable, but people are always going to find justification for the past, present, and future, no matter how sickening it becomes to us when we reflect back on it.
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By Gimp 2013-05-14 15:06:05
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon.

For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.

for you perhaps...

I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.

Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
There is a psychological reality to this "necessity." Put thousands of men together with nowhere to focus their energy on occasion is a recipe for chaos. And I can't help but say I'm a little curious what Google terms led you to this video lol...


I wonder to be honest considering how pervasive the standard and culture for the Japanese Army at the time they couldn't extend it to controlling themselves further? I'm curious because you have Japans history of wars with China and Korea but on the other they had strict rules of regulation for their military and citizens.

Needs can be suppressed with a strong will but I doubt it was tried enough(or cared for) considering how everyone that wasn't Japanese was a barbarian it was ok to rape something less than you(or was that the Chinese?)

I think it's interesting because I don't know how to regulate a society of people, just myself and how hard it is to keep everyone on the same level mentally.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-05-14 15:13:51
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Siren.Flavin said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Siren.Flavin said: »
It was aLEADING POLITICIAN of the main opposition who said that... The rest of his party (among others)have already denounced this and called it something along the lines of a travesty to women's rights...
ftfy please provide source of his party openly making a statement.
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One of the strongest rebuttals came from a top official in Hashimoto’s own party.

“This is not something that’s coming out of our party. I think Mr. Hashimoto was expressing his own private opinions,” said Sakihiti Owaza, a senior official in the Japan Restoration Party. “If these comments continue, we will need to look into his true intentions and put a stop to this.”
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But, Flav! FLAV! This does not incite divisive cultural outrage! GAH! How is someone suppose to assert their moral superiority over a culture if it was the opinion of one man! Jeez! Spoil sport!
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-14 15:14:59
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@Bloodrose - wasn't searching, was recommended by youtube after watching Al Jazeera's coverage of the David Cameron/Obama press conference.

We need to differentiate between one stating the reason's certain war crimes, that were accepted policy, occurred AND using terminology that is not too far off from justifying previous war crimes.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-05-14 15:15:31
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There is a HUGE misconception about the pervasiveness of the Japanese cutlure. Before the onslaught of the American warships sailed to Japan the first time, the culture was sexually expressive, but hardly pervasive.

In recent years (the past 30-40 years) after the forced conversion of many japanese citizens into christian and catholic religion, have recently come back out as sexually expressive as a culture.

Granted, there are of course going to be perverse/perverted natures (in the literal sense) that take something out of it's original context, to make it seem seedy and wrong. A lot of this is also influenced by American Pop Culture and the "Sex Sells" advertising industries.
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
Swoosh. History is that thing we all look upon in retrospect with 20/20 hindsight and frown upon. For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
for you perhaps... I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it. Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
There is a psychological reality to this "necessity." Put thousands of men together with nowhere to focus their energy on occasion is a recipe for chaos. And I can't help but say I'm a little curious what Google terms led you to this video lol...
There's reporting on this globally atm... that's probably how it came into his perview... it was on the front page of a couple of news outlets web sites this morning...
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
"Sex Sells"
Indeed.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2013-05-14 15:18:49
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AN ENTIRE COUNTRY said:
We, collectively, are all in agreement about something.

Said no one, ever.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
There is a HUGE misconception about the pervasiveness of the Japanese cutlure. Before the onslaught of the American warships sailed to Japan the first time, the culture was sexually expressive, but hardly pervasive.

In recent years (the past 30-40 years) after the forced conversion of many japanese citizens into christian and catholic religion, have recently come back out as sexually expressive as a culture.

Granted, there are of course going to be perverse/perverted natures (in the literal sense) that take something out of it's original context, to make it seem seedy and wrong. A lot of this is also influenced by American Pop Culture and the "Sex Sells" advertising industries.

Big difference between Sexual expression and forced sex slavery.

By the rationale of everyone who fails to see the implications,
50 years down the line, would it be acceptable for any politician anywhere to say "human trafficking at the turn of the century for sex workers was necessary." ?
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By Zecilus 2013-05-14 15:23:27
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Slavery was perceived by southern Slave-States as necessary to preserve their economic growth as they heavily relied on forced labor for production of cotton and tobacco. They didn't bother implementing a cheap labor system of freed men or sharecropping (which would happen later) The Union states were already heavily industrialized compared to the south which is why the South had to rely on a primarily defensive campaign and relied on supplies from Britain. This would obviously lead to their own undoing.

After the South's defeat, the slave-states were essentially reverted back to the Stone Age due to the decimation of their land by the Union and slavery having been abolished. The economy was in shambles. The Reconstruction Era was pretty much America's version of Western Europe's Dark Ages.

I would more so credit the races associated with the second and third mass immigration of America and unregulated capitalism as the reason of America being a world power as fast as it did.

By mass immigration I am referring about the immigration of the late 1790's to the 1850's, just prior to the American Civil War and from the 1890's-1930's during the Industrial Revolution.

These are primarily Irish, Germans, French, Eastern-Europeans like the Italians, Russians, Jews, and at the time, Czechoslovakia. From Asia, it was primarily the Chinese.

Labor laws weren't nearly as strict as they are in America today and business and railroad owners literally exploited their workers for high production at very low wages, even with unions, workers got the raw end of the deal.

As a result, our railroad systems, coal, oil, and steel refineries (predominately in the north as southern states were largely agricultural, the railroad system of course being trans-continental but largely built by Chinese immigrants) lead America on the way of being a powerhouse. After World War II, in which military armament production was an all time high, America became one of the World Powers.

Both slavery and exploited labors are dark history of America, granted. But if I was to credit any given group of people to the industrialization of America, it wouldn't be slaves.

"Edit, that was in response to Blood Rose's comment. I hit the reply button but it didn't quote her for some reason. I suck at posting. I know*
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By Moonwalkerv 2013-05-14 15:25:51
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Love the Aussie shaming of the General when he had to surrended.

Robson indicated to the parade that the Japanese officer was to place his sword on the ground three paces in front of the Australian. Uno attempted to hand the sword to Robson, but it was refused. Instead he was made to bow as he placed his sword at the Australian commander’s feet. Robson then addressed him through an interpreter: “Do you understand that as our prisoners you will be treated humanely but any disobedience by yourself will be treated immediately without mercy?”

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By Gimp 2013-05-14 15:25:55
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
There is a HUGE misconception about the pervasiveness of the Japanese cutlure. Before the onslaught of the American warships sailed to Japan the first time, the culture was sexually expressive, but hardly pervasive.

In recent years (the past 30-40 years) after the forced conversion of many japanese citizens into christian and catholic religion, have recently come back out as sexually expressive as a culture.

Granted, there are of course going to be perverse/perverted natures (in the literal sense) that take something out of it's original context, to make it seem seedy and wrong. A lot of this is also influenced by American Pop Culture and the "Sex Sells" advertising industries.

I'm not the most savvy on Japanese culture when I mean pervasive I mean that there was a popular and practiced standard for all parts of a person's life to be upheld but it fell short when it came to treating foreigners. I don't believe they tried or cared enough outside of their own society not that they didn't care for their own society however which leads to the sort of justification in the video above.
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