Delve Weapons Only

guys its ok

ITS OK, LETS NOT FIGHT

REM weapon users, skirmish weapon users, even AH weapon users have a place in my heart, and probably in a delve party too

COME HERE

Just out of interest, I consider myself to be a DRK in progress and would like to know if I'm an example of this poorly geared noob.

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I consider myself not to be useless and usually on the ball but I too need to farm delve to get things like earings, Ace's replacement, and the belt for tp'ing perhaps.

Edit: Using sole sushi *

Stop ducking down so low, things will never stop flying over your head if you keep doing it. By what possible measure are you saying that a DRK doing 50,000dmg is any more beneficial to a run than one who's doing 40,000? They're both worthless. They're both doing next to nothing to further the group. It's the difference of one monster's worth of HP at best. You don't seem to understand this simple concept and yet you attempt to passively insinuate that I'm the one who's feigning ignorance.

He knows I don't pull specific numerical figures out of my ***. Trying to defeat something so obviously mistaken is petty

gonna chime in on the "only takes a few hours whats the big deal" part of that arguement.

i've joined like 3 pickups only have 7kish points.

Not everybody is doing 7~8k points per run. just saying lol.

pug's suck :( i swear to god if i see another 85 masamune i'm going to break my keyboard.

A good player with acceptably good gear, is still better than a utter muppet with awesome gear. Case in point: My 2 song BRD (with a variety of suitable instruments for different songs) was far out performing the Daurdabla BRD - because he kept landing refresh on the Melee, and didn't understand the concept of pull/sleep/buff/pull/sleep etc. instead remaining virtually static.

The problem is that this "Delve Weapons onry" mindset will soon seep deep down into the mindset of everyone, and become the new standard, in the same way that "R/E/M only" became the standard for all content, even when it was clearly not needed (i.e. early stage VW).

What this will lead to is an unbridgeable divide between those who jumped on the Delve train as it left the station in the first 2-3 weeks, and those who are returning, or starting for the first time to come back.

SE have laid out a plan in attempt to bypass the need to spend months building REMs just to be able to access current content, not saying you should follow it, but the rough idea is:
1) Do reives to get into Skirmishes/Wildskeepers
2) Do Skirms and Wildskeepers to get better weapons
3) Do Delves T1-3 to get better gear for TIV-V
4) Do TIV-V to get better weapons for Delve bosses.

So what next, people will be telling people to go and get R/E/M99 weapons before they are even allowed to attempt plasm farming, in order to gain a better weapon still?

ofc, you can always start your own run, but by not allowing the mindset of everyone to be blindly "Delve only", then we can make it easier for all to casually slip in and out of this content (which was again Matsui's ideology!)

Derail! i have a firm belief seha is tiny enough that i can put on my shoulder and feed her crackers like a parrot!

I do this daily. She's my pet

>99 Ukon? Get that gimp #$*( out of here!

This is hilarious... now you know how all the other non-emp/relic/mythic dd felt when they couldn't get into VW shouts...

You should probably read the thread before chiming in

In a homogeneously demanding environment, a person without a Delve weapon still has several means to participating

1) Play one of the 10+ jobs that don't require one
2) Create your own party

None of which are necessary. God damn, guy. It's an arbitrary gating process that serves no practical purpose. I can't say it any more clearly than that. Your argument of "it's pointless, just make your own pty or change jobs" is just as pointless as stopping people from joining just because they don't have a Delve weapon.


That. Is. The. Point.

God damn, guy. Necessary is entirely too normative to be used in this discussion, and you know it.

I also support delve weapon only for a Delve naakual. Although I haven't fought any, I suppose they're tough enough to warrant such selection.

You can't be serious

Umm wow ...

Guys .. you know that having super weapons doesn't really help you in plasm farming. Your limited by the number of monsters and their repop timers. I spend a full 50% of the time sitting on my *** waiting for more mobs, we're killing them so fast that the BRD's don't even have time to keep songs up. Getting even more powerful DD's just means the ones you have will spend even more time sitting there. So yeah Delve weapons definitely not required in the slightest to cap out Plasm rate.

Honestly shouts should be for having access to Morimar a requirement as FAR to many people still don't have the station points. That's the primary reason every runs in Ceizek.

I prefer chocolate.

Wow did hell just freeze over? I'm agreeing with mother *** Saevel?


Pfft, you know it isn't crackers that I feed you.

Doesn't help when bivouacs explode...

Absolutely incorrect; you're pathing improperly

1 day i will have that ugly sword from delve and offhand my *** chocobo wand to one of those shouts

Ohi!!!

GUys I'm having trouble choosing which razor to shave with this morning. Should I use the one that's so bad that it only sometimes cuts my face, or should I use the one that's much more efficient at making my face a bloody mess?

You should reread your posts before submitting, because they make you come off as a major douchebag, when you're most likely not.

Tone it down, approach other people's post with a bit more understanding as well as respect, and don't be so defensive/agressive.

Staying on-topic, I generally try to disregard shouts like the one mentioned by the OP, and thankfully they don't happen often in Ragnarok. There will always be ***players that are well-geared and ***players that are poorly geared, that's just how it is. I've met many mages with gear that I honestly envy, and it's sad to see how little they can do with them, but I've learned to not care as much as I did years ago.

Your sets are pretty bad, but to improve just check out the drk guide and ask around there if have any doubts. No such thing as impossibility to improve as long as you care to do it.

Saevel's wrong. Morimar can be toured from the entrance to the bosses's room without running out of enemies while a separate party continuously kills everything in the isolated room that branches in the alternate direction of the aforementioned path

Most Ceizek delve darks suck. I wouldn't join them anyway. The noobs go their. And kill speed is pointless as they spend 1/3 their time running around as they cleared the mobs so fast.

Also noobs do that zone as they have no idea about other zones. Most the times I have done that zone, they get 1800 to 3200 plazma. I can solo farm 2-3k plazma an hour on drk or FC war.

The other two zones get 5-8k. The warrior could change his job cor sch brd whm pld. Delve weapons are cool. As most people who have 95 and under REM's cant even keep up to mage nukes now.

It was more the context of the post than the individual bits of subject matter, but I'll concede.

And still waiting to have this addressed by an opposing mind


Apparently arbitrary things stop being arbitrary when we change the subjectmatter

Are you comparing farming plasm to delve naakuals now? I wouldn't bring a PUG to delve naakuals to begin with.

Hold on, I didn't went deeper into it but what I meant is not what you imply. I wouldn't take anyone I don't know beforehand into something of that tier.