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Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I'm missing nothing Find a group that doesn't care, make one yourself, or change your job You people, I swear Valefor.Sehachan said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Sehachan said: » Let me eviscerate further. As an apology for those who shout for X only, between a stranger with a Widowmaker and a stranger with a Bereaver you'll always take the latter, no doubt. The Provenance runs my ls used to do on Phoenix went through gearchecks cause we didn't want to deal with 2 hours and half of bs. So I'm not foreign to the concept. However what I said was in the context of fodder farm, whereas a 99Ukon(from a player whose known to be supposedely good - self-stated so not verified on our part)shouldn't be needed to be discriminated over a stranger with a delve gaxe. Specific instances like that are one thing, but the notion that there's something wrong with demanding a substantially better weapon that takes at most a few hours to complete is asinine Start/find a group that doesn't care or change jobs. It didn't suddenly become damning to have standards However, you need plasma to get that better weapon, so that is why you require the appropriate relic, empy or whatever is best for your respective job. So excluding someone cause they're supposed to have the target of what they're aiming for can be a bit difficult to mix. edit: spelling What? No. Just no. It isn't a difficult mix at all. You just don't let them go. It's very, very simple. You're talking as if it's the organizers responsibility to gear their pickups. Why would you even think that? Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Being super picky about your support jobs rather than DD would probably lead to a more productive run .~. "Do you know what a Haste rotation is? Can you buff in-between pulls? Will main-healing a party make you fall asleep halfway through the run?" Or do both? There's no need for false dilemma Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. Seriously? You also think it's the organizer's responsibility to gear the picksups? Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I think the idea is that he wants you to make your own group, and if that fails probably go farm shards and solo it. However I fail to see the reason behind this as the difference between having a good 99rag drk and a Bereaver DRK won't be large enough of a deterrent to cause any sort of want to gate people out of a group, particularly if you aren't screening the players that you're inviting outside of their weapon. Valefor.Prothescar said: » Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I think the idea is that he wants you to make your own group, and if that fails probably go farm shards and solo it. However I fail to see the reason behind this as the difference between having a good 99rag drk and a Bereaver DRK won't be large enough of a deterrent to cause any sort of want to gate people out of a group, particularly if you aren't screening the players that you're inviting outside of their weapon. You could say it isn't a large deterrent for virtually everything in this game. That hasn't ever stopped us from having standards And how you can fail to set up your own group(or change jobs) is beyond me Of course you can make groups yourself, again I'm not opposing the idea of being picky as I've done it plenty of times as well.
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Of course you can make groups yourself, again I'm not opposing the idea of being picky as I've done it plenty of times as well. How many times are you going to agree with me only to take the opposing stance? Plus weapons don't mean ***if you just ask as the saccer. Twilight set + 14/16 naked works fine.
Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I think the idea is that he wants you to make your own group, and if that fails probably go farm shards and solo it. However I fail to see the reason behind this as the difference between having a good 99rag drk and a Bereaver DRK won't be large enough of a deterrent to cause any sort of want to gate people out of a group, particularly if you aren't screening the players that you're inviting outside of their weapon. You could say it isn't a large deterrent for virtually everything in this game. That hasn't ever stopped us from having standards Your standards are for something like a linkshell where you can screen each member thoroughly before bringing them to things, not a shout group whose main attracted members are likely attempting to join for the items that you demand they already have or have the possibility of being so bad at actually playing the game that the weapon is only making them a slightly more effective gimp who will probably still be beat by a 99 relic. You're failing to realize that screening for weapons alone does nothing to deter imbeciles from joining your shout group, and until you've entered and gauged their performance there's no way to ensure that the person you've just invited will be worth any more than the 99rag drk trying to get his Bereaver. Standards for a minimum gear level are all well and good, but they're mostly worthless on their own.
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Just restating that I'm utterly dumbfounded that so many people are whiteknighting lazy people against a very reasonable cockblock that only has to apply to you for a few hours
Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. Only about 1/4 of the shouts carry a "Delve weapon only" prerequisite so by attending one of the other shouts... Sylph.Mirvana said: » Plus weapons don't mean ***if you just ask as the saccer. Twilight set + 14/16 naked works fine. Weapon also doesn't mean jack squat if he threw his computer out the window and flew off into the sky. I can make things up to valid my stances too. Given that that shouter is asking for a delve weapon DD, he probably wants someone for the purposes of DD'ing. Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Just restating that I'm utterly dumbfounded that so many people are whiteknighting lazy people against a very reasonable cockblock that only has to apply to you for a few hours That has nothing to do with it and you bloody well know it, don't skirt the actual flaw in this argument. The weapons being easy to get only exacerbates the core flaw in this method of screening.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I think the idea is that he wants you to make your own group, and if that fails probably go farm shards and solo it. However I fail to see the reason behind this as the difference between having a good 99rag drk and a Bereaver DRK won't be large enough of a deterrent to cause any sort of want to gate people out of a group, particularly if you aren't screening the players that you're inviting outside of their weapon. You could say it isn't a large deterrent for virtually everything in this game. That hasn't ever stopped us from having standards Your standards are for something like a linkshell where you can screen each member thoroughly before bringing them to things, not a shout group whose main attracted members are likely attempting to join for the items that you demand they already have or have the possibility of being so bad at actually playing the game that the weapon is only making them a slightly more effective gimp who will probably still be beat by a 99 relic. You're failing to realize that screening for weapons alone does nothing to deter imbeciles from joining your shout group, and until you've entered and gauged their performance there's no way to ensure that the person you've just invited will be worth any more than the 99rag drk trying to get his Bereaver. Standards for a minimum gear level are all well and good, but they're mostly worthless on their own. An imbecile with a shitty weapon is worse than an imbecile with a good one The original point was that it's pretty silly to chose a stranger with a delve weapon over someone you know to be a good 99 empy owner(supposedely). Chances are you're getting someone worse.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Just restating that I'm utterly dumbfounded that so many people are whiteknighting lazy people against a very reasonable cockblock that only has to apply to you for a few hours That has nothing to do with it and you bloody well know it, don't skirt the actual flaw in this argument. I don't even know what you want me to say at this point. Everyone's repeating the same non-argument over and over 1) Idiots with good weapons are better than idiots with bad weapons 2) Hardly anyone actually demands Delve weapons for Delve 3) Even if most people demanded Delve weapons for Delve, there are very simple avenues around stagnation I mean, for ***'s sake, more than half the alliance stands to have innate immunity from said requirement Like I said, dumbfounded Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » Sylph.Mirvana said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » A bad fracture group will finish a weapon in a few hours, get the hell out of here with "omgad its only ben 2 weeks u stinkin elitist" You're still missing your logic's major flaw. If you can't get into runs to farm, you don't get the plasm to buy the weapon. I think the idea is that he wants you to make your own group, and if that fails probably go farm shards and solo it. However I fail to see the reason behind this as the difference between having a good 99rag drk and a Bereaver DRK won't be large enough of a deterrent to cause any sort of want to gate people out of a group, particularly if you aren't screening the players that you're inviting outside of their weapon. You could say it isn't a large deterrent for virtually everything in this game. That hasn't ever stopped us from having standards Your standards are for something like a linkshell where you can screen each member thoroughly before bringing them to things, not a shout group whose main attracted members are likely attempting to join for the items that you demand they already have or have the possibility of being so bad at actually playing the game that the weapon is only making them a slightly more effective gimp who will probably still be beat by a 99 relic. You're failing to realize that screening for weapons alone does nothing to deter imbeciles from joining your shout group, and until you've entered and gauged their performance there's no way to ensure that the person you've just invited will be worth any more than the 99rag drk trying to get his Bereaver. Standards for a minimum gear level are all well and good, but they're mostly worthless on their own. An imbecile with a shitty weapon is worse than an imbecile with a good one By such a minuscule amount that it literally does not matter in any real way. That's the point. Your plasm gain in the 45 minutes that you're in a Fracture will be hindered almost equally by a gimp 99rag or a gimp Bereaver, they're both going to be contributing so little that they may as well not even be there to begin with. How much damage do you really think that these weapons add? Besides all that, the fact of the matter is this: denying access to someone that you know to be a good player just because they do not have a plasm weapon yet is idiotic. Valefor.Prothescar said: » How much damage do you really think that these weapons add? More than virtually of the equipment that has ever distinguished players from each other combined What I meant is, of course between two strangers you'll take the one better equipped, but if you know someone who's good with a 99 r/e I don't see a point in taking the blind shot over him. If you like gambling I guess.
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » How much damage do you really think that these weapons add? More than virtually of the equipment that has ever distinguished players from each other combined Yeah, that extra 200~400dmg on the weaponskills that they'll be missing fairly frequently because they don't know what food or accuracy gear is is going to be a pretty big deal breaker. Valefor.Sehachan said: » What I meant is, of course between two strangers you'll take the one better equipped, but if you know someone who's good with a 99 r/e I don't see a point in taking the blind shot over him. Which I've very openly agreed with It's the idea that standards are suddenly evil that I find absurd Valefor.Prothescar said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » How much damage do you really think that these weapons add? More than virtually of the equipment that has ever distinguished players from each other combined Yeah, that extra 200~400dmg on the weaponskills that they'll be missing fairly frequently is going to be a pretty big deal breaker. We've been excluding people for much less for much longer. Please try to deny that, please Don't forgoet the accuracy/storeTP/Haste they're probably disregarding.
The exclusions in this case are night and day, however. Precedence doesn't make it any less stupid; how you can deny the fact that two players of equally poor skill are going to perform any sort of leaps and bounds over one another just because one has a better weapon is beyond me considering your level of intelligence; fact of the matter is delve requires more than just a shiny weapon to succeed in, unlike pretty much any other event in recent memory.
You people aren't serious.
You just can't be. Oh, delve weapons are so easy to get, let's all complain about not being able to join delve shouts so we can get one! Oh, hey, what's this a..c..c..ura..c..y word on my gear. Oh hell with that. STR ALL THE WAY BABY WAIT WHY AM I MISSING SO MUCH. Oh X is better than Y, but if both X and Y can be bad, then X is the same as Y. God I think smrtly good. Leviathan.Kaparu said: » It's the idea that standards are suddenly evil that I find absurd Standards aren't evil, but setting them on a single qualifier while disregarding the multitude of other factors that could make just as big a difference IS silly. Valefor.Prothescar said: » The exclusions in this case are night and day, however. Obscurity isn't a substitute for a point Again, you've excluded people for far less for far longer. This is just suddenly unspeakably cruel and arbitrary, even though it makes a larger difference than virtually anything else we've used to set a standard Bismarck.Ihina said: » You people aren't serious. You just can't be. Oh, delve weapons are so easy to get, let's all complain about not being able to join delve shouts so we can get one! Oh, hey, what's this a..c..c..ura..c..y word on my gear. Oh hell with that. STR ALL THE WAY BABY WAIT WHY AM I MISSING SO MUCH. Oh X is better than Y, but if both X and Y can be bad, then X is the same as Y. God I think smrtly good. I'm not sure if you're feigning ignorance or if you're really like this, but seriously. Have you done Delve before? Do you know why a weapon alone isn't going to make someone better than someone else? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? I don't care how much damage the weapon has if the person is too dim to make it connect with the target more than 50% of the time. |
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