Not having Arma on Cor should never cost you a spot in a Delve pt, thats just stupid. Cor's job in an alli is to keep rolls up, any damage you do is a secondary bonus but should never be a requirement.
I've been to most of my Delve runs as Cor and have never once been asked if I had Armageddon. Seen a couple of shouts for Delve only DD where the shouter didn't have a delve weapon themselves though. As has been said though, it's their run, can do what they like.
Delve Weapons Only
Delve weapons only
Thanks for reminding me why I left. I almost went out and bought the new expansion.
Shiva.Informer said: »
Our members who use level 99 Relic weapons actually do fare very well on our damage. Take those same damage dealers with even the slightly upgraded Delve Weapons in hand over the level 99 R/M/E, and their performance, depending on dd job, significantly increases.
This is the whole point, when you've got an LS that pounced on Delve when it came out and you make a run in your LS from your members who are good players who all have Delve weapons, you have witnessed the significant improvement. It's not unreasonable to assume that people who have farmed a Delve weapon have comparable equipment. Personally I'm happy to have a very achieveable goal to keep me busy for a few days
SE did great with the progression system of gears, but they totally messed up on weapons. They wanted something new they implemented the same system as before. Same songs, different names...
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I just hope they bleach the head of the guy who designed Manibozho. So ugly.
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The only thing I'm not keen on with the Delve weapons is that they're so plain, SE were very lazy when they designed them. At least Skirmish weapons look good.
Skirmish weapons also used old designs, just less common ones.
Naakual weapons are the only completely new ones(in fact I like them).
Naakual weapons are the only completely new ones(in fact I like them).
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
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macsdf1 said: »
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
But how you want to get KIs and plasma, when you don't have a Delve weapon yet?
The only answer can't be, that I am forced to level a support job like WHM...
You should at least give some players a chance, which are not gimp as hell. E.g. a MNK with R/E/M or Tlalpoloani should be able to climb the ladder further.
1. make friends with people who go frequently so they can invite you or put in a good word
2. present your case rationally to the person shouting for delve only dd, most of them are just using it as a general sentiment and will take a well equipped r/e/m99
3. make your groups yourself, you can even shout for delve only dd if you want
plenty of options
2. present your case rationally to the person shouting for delve only dd, most of them are just using it as a general sentiment and will take a well equipped r/e/m99
3. make your groups yourself, you can even shout for delve only dd if you want
plenty of options
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Asura.Calatilla said: »
The only thing I'm not keen on with the Delve weapons is that they're so plain, SE were very lazy when they designed them. At least Skirmish weapons look good.
macsdf1 said: »
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
Same reason why people ask an Armageddon from a COR. Why would you ask something useless? Why would you turn down a specific DD that you know will do better than a specific Delve owner despite not owning one yet?
macsdf1 said: »
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
There you have it. Still many runs where people are satisfied with 4k plasm. Over 8k is my record. There is a huge difference between R/E/M and D kill rate. It also help to have good buffers, proper set up, and great pullers. Now if I can only figure out gow to get more 100 plasm per kill...
Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
macsdf1 said: »
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
I've seen many jpn alliances with shitty *** geared DD too. Some just don't want to invite NA, for communication and ease of explaning strategy. I did 5x the dmg of a shitty monk in a jpn ally i joined one time.
Why would people care if cor has armageddon for farming? job is to do rolls and pull and sleep stuff
But how you want to get KIs and plasma, when you don't have a Delve weapon yet?
The only answer can't be, that I am forced to level a support job like WHM...
You should at least give some players a chance, which are not gimp as hell. E.g. a MNK with R/E/M or Tlalpoloani should be able to climb the ladder further.
You put your own run together. You don't need any KI to pop NM's outside of fracture - start with the grasshopper in Ceizak, he's pretty much full time melee swing, don't ws, healers don't let people die.. If you are not willing to do wildskeeper to get KI to make your own fracture run you can buy/farm shards for plasm too.
Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
But how you want to get KIs and plasma, when you don't have a Delve weapon yet?
The only answer can't be, that I am forced to level a support job like WHM...
The only answer can't be, that I am forced to level a support job like WHM...
The game doesn't restrict you to what jobs or roles you can cover with your character. In my opinion, a good player will be able to fill various roles for the party's situation.
I disagree. Gearing a job may not be hard, but takes a lot of time to do properly, and time can be limited for some people. One can be a good player with one job only.
A good player, yes; but limited to situations where the job can be utilized.
Utility will take a good player and cover them over a wider array of events.
Though, I'm guilty of this one myself.
Utility will take a good player and cover them over a wider array of events.
Though, I'm guilty of this one myself.
Asura.Calatilla said: »
Not having Arma on Cor should never cost you a spot in a Delve pt, thats just stupid. Cor's job in an alli is to keep rolls up, any damage you do is a secondary bonus but should never be a requirement.
I've been to most of my Delve runs as Cor and have never once been asked if I had Armageddon. Seen a couple of shouts for Delve only DD where the shouter didn't have a delve weapon themselves though. As has been said though, it's their run, can do what they like.
I've been to most of my Delve runs as Cor and have never once been asked if I had Armageddon. Seen a couple of shouts for Delve only DD where the shouter didn't have a delve weapon themselves though. As has been said though, it's their run, can do what they like.
Not sure when COR has time to engage during plasm farm anyway
I mis-worded what I meant to say, Tigerwoods definitely got down what I meant to write. It doesn't really matter if they're a great WAR, if I'm 17/18 and need a SCH, your mastery of WAR isn't going to help.
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Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
The only answer can't be, that I am forced to level a support job like WHM...
God forbid players have appropriate support.
macsdf1 said: »
If you have a 99 REM, and don't have weapon already then you aren't as elite as you think you are.
Who was making that claim?
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What is so hard to understand about it being tier'd. Sure you can succeed with a REM, but you aren't maxing your potential, just hurting the alliance in the long run.
Yes, it IS tiered. The thing is these particular shouters won't accept someone who's actually following the tier system. You get a Delve weapon AFTER you've farmed up the KIs and Plasm not BEFORE. The shouters are the ones going against the grain and demanding someone have the result before going through the process.
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Farming fractures for plasma isn't just a 'a win's a win' type deal. It's akin to going to farm dynamis with a perle beast using nursary nazuna and getting 100 coins, vs a decked out bst with a falcor farming 200+. The better your DD's the more points you get, and everyone gets.
You could also look at the bigger picture and accept a little slower progress now, for a larger pool of potentially well geared players in the future. I just hope none of the Delve onry farmers are going to come back here and complain about there being so many gimps on their server in the future. Yeah I know no one is obligated to help anyone else out, but I think eventually this exclusionary behavior will come back to bite folks.
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So yeah dust off your healers and support if you aren't ready, since you don't need delve gear for those jobs.
Wouldn't you get a higher rate of Plasm with better geared support? Dead and poorly buffed DD do less damage after all. If the DD have to be bleeding edge then why not ask he same of everyone? Seems a bit inconsistent.
before I set this up sometime or another
is there large enough gap to warrant having a proper pld over a dd with capped or near capped pdt and mdt for holding mobs?
is there large enough gap to warrant having a proper pld over a dd with capped or near capped pdt and mdt for holding mobs?
Support jobs are (for the most part) more gear-insensitive - if you want to gouge your eyes out with a spoon go to the WHM forums and debate optimal cure sets
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Wouldn't you get a higher rate of Plasm with better geared support? Dead and poorly buffed DD do less damage after all. If the DD have to be bleeding edge then why not ask he same of everyone? Seems a bit inconsistent.
This has come up in the past. Groups would have a greater chance of success if they vetted support jobs more. (Know what a haste rotation is, have proper sets like barsets etc)
Kind of what my passive aggressive last statement got at. (post 401 woooo)
Why? I hate to see ppl that got a delve weapon and they dont use macros to change equip, they just full time equip doing a ***of dmg.
I cant understand how a person that played a game for months of real game play can be so shitty player.
I cant understand how a person that played a game for months of real game play can be so shitty player.
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Support jobs are (for the most part) more gear-insensitive - if you want to gouge your eyes out with a spoon go to the WHM forums and debate optimal cure sets
It's all about -emn these days :'(
My biggest factor with a WHM is their reaction time. If I am constantly healing across parties to support your DD's, no amount of MP efficiency is going to matter.
So if I get those last 30 levels on WHM, slap on a chatoyant staff, and dig out my NQ Marduk's set I'm good to go? Sweet!
Fenrir.Camiie said: »
So if I get those last 30 levels on WHM, slap on a chatoyant staff, and dig out my NQ Marduk's set I'm good to go? Sweet!
Tbqh, you'd be better than a lot of the pickup WHMs I get.
Full cure potency and fastcast, but can't keep debuffs off or a haste cycle up.
Siren.Taruina said: »
My biggest factor with a WHM is their reaction time. If I am constantly healing across parties to support your DD's, no amount of MP efficiency is going to matter.
Reaction time is a valid point but there are other points that tend to factor in when I played WHM.
I worked pretty hard on my relic+2 legs and the aug. Having other mages shellra/5 and barspell over me for less and not in relic +2 legs really annoyed me.
Also if the WHM uses empy+2 legs. Penury > Curaga used at the right time can net amazing mp returns.
Also for the love of god cure in Orison body +2 and rotate haste.
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