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Delve weapons only
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: » So wait...first its "good, about time we move on from R/E/M" and now people complaining the replacement weapons are prefered/required? I'm not sure why this is surprising: different people have different concerns, and thus, communities such as this will have a variety of viewpoints on the whole. Where is the part that SE said this update would be "soon"? Cause I keep hearing that but haven't seen it anywhere. Not being sarcastic or anything, just not seeing where it says revamps will be soon.
Odin.Cyprias said: » Where is the part that SE said this update would be "soon"? Cause I keep hearing that but haven't seen it anywhere. Not being sarcastic or anything, just not seeing where it says revamps will be soon. They haven't given a time frame at all that I know of. Ragnarok.Alahra said: » Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: » So wait...first its "good, about time we move on from R/E/M" and now people complaining the replacement weapons are prefered/required? I'm not sure why this is surprising: different people have different concerns, and thus, communities such as this will have a variety of viewpoints on the whole. It isn't suprising at all. The people who built R/E/M are probably the first ones who are getting delve weapons and beefing them up, while the people who wanted to move on from R/E/M are going to complain that they can't join the events they want because they don't have the "uber weapon." Just pointing out the humor and irony in the complaint. Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: » Ragnarok.Alahra said: » Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: » So wait...first its "good, about time we move on from R/E/M" and now people complaining the replacement weapons are prefered/required? I'm not sure why this is surprising: different people have different concerns, and thus, communities such as this will have a variety of viewpoints on the whole. It isn't suprising at all. The people who built R/E/M are probably the first ones who are getting delve weapons and beefing them up, while the people who wanted to move on from R/E/M are going to complain that they can't join the events they want because they don't have the "uber weapon." Just pointing out the humor and irony in the complaint. I guess what I was saying is: I've not seen anyone who was glad to move on from REM is complaining about Delve weapons being required for Delve. It's probably all different people. And a couple months from now, people will be shouting "maxed out delve weapons only". If they can fill up their parties shouting that, more power to 'em.
14 pages of mind numbing nonsense... wow.
I agree with the entire "If you don't like it, make your own party" This kind of shout is going to happen and happen... and when the next big weapon comes along, that will be required too. At least it isn't like Delve weapons are completely impossible or as time intensive to get to a usable point like R/E/(and especially M). You can even solo farm one if you were really dedicated to it as people have mentioned. Bismarck.Ihina said: » The one who organizes the run can do as he pleases. If anyone doesn't like it, they can make their own run. I'm starting a Bubble Bernie farm run and I want 18 BLM with Ash clubs+1. If it isn't +1 you are so not coming.
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All this says to me is, lvl a mage job, wear the most gimp gear you can, and purchase a Delve weapon when possible.
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I have recently started to form my own plasm farming parties and from what I can tell, most of the time the DD weapon that I see ppl bring don't DRAG down the plazm farm. You're alwayz going to have a mix of up to date geared to understated. The important thinv is to make sure both of your DD are going to have relatively the same killing potential. Its very easy to get 4k~7k just letting DD do their thing with Buffs. DD only have Ah weapon? Make sure u got brd and cor for them. Or you willing, make 1 party you know will thrash the place. There is plenty of room for ppl who desperately need plasm to get delve weapon, for ppl thT have RME etc. Craft the party for success even if its not going to be the high octane performance everyone wants. Get the server geared in the long run everyonr wins.
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level pld and get ochain, you'll get as many invite as you brain can handle or level cor or bard. Right now in Asura every jobs filled out fast except the pld.
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Our members who use level 99 Relic weapons actually do fare very well on our damage. Take those same damage dealers with even the slightly upgraded Delve Weapons in hand over the level 99 R/M/E, and their performance, depending on dd job, significantly increases.
As has been said many a time in this forum, having an Ochain/Aegis Paladin, bard, corsair, scholar, or even thief will increase your chances of getting a delve invite. We're not being elitist, necessarily, we just prefer the most powerful damage we can find. If possible, might want to at least get 90 Emp harp for Brd as well. Not that it's needed(for farming especially), but that would increase your chances of an invite by a ton. Lot of work if you didn't already plan on seriously playing the job though...
Carabosse/Cirein aren't anywhere near difficult, but I'd suggest making an Armageddon if you end up leveling Cor just for delve as well, probably not getting invited without it. Shiva.Alistaire said: » And a couple months from now, people will be shouting "maxed out delve weapons only". If they can fill up their parties shouting that, more power to 'em. Kind of funny watching it go to Rank5+! Then Rank4! Then 3! then "DD" WF is a nice ws to have but not neccessary. I make my cor pull if they can't dd.
Yet to actually see a Cor DD(Shoot, WF from tp gained by tactician's, or even use QD) in fracture farming, but on Cerb at least, it doesn't look like an invite is an option without an Arma.
Definitely agree on the nice(extremely nice I'm sure) to have but not necessary thing though, the invite things just been my own experiences as no WF cor so far. I actually user severely undergeared COR, mostly because its one of the sought after jobs. I bolters, get aggro from mobs. Bring to a kill pt and light shot it and buff dd if rolls are down and run off again. All my plasm goes to my war that I never take to farm.... the irony.
Bismarck.Jarlax said: » All this says to me is, lvl a mage job, wear the most gimp gear you can, and purchase a Delve weapon when possible. I have been thinking of leveling COR just for this purpose. That or BRD but even then, I would feel really bad to come as BRD without at least 3 songs. COR is probably the safest of all considering its role. That's what FFXI is about anyway, as much as I don't enjoy going back to 2007, if it's needed, why not. Shiva.Jirachi said: » Siren.Taruina said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » Do you whink one party of five blms or schs nukeing with a bard would be better than a standard six man dd party. After they got delve staff and good mab gear. No, BLM is for stunning, d2-ing, enfeebling, and proccing. Unless you somehow get into a version of delve with only matamatas, you will be averaging near Jirachi's number of plasm. I was not trying to insult anyone. But asking what a five man blm party would do. I have gone scholar many times. All I have to do is AoE regen 5. After this is done, I switch to dark arts and T5 nuke. 90% of the nukes are harder hitting than the DD's in my party. Usually I have had thf, run, nin, drg, . Occasionaly a drk. Most don't have delve weapns. But my nukes with soothsayers staff and MAB gear would out do most of their weapon skills. Thats why I wondered if a BLM party who has stronger nukes than I would be successful. You people are seriously having trouble getting into plasma parties? There going nonstop and I've seen plenty of Magian weapon DD's alongside r/e/m/d dd's and the plasma is always decant. I've yet to start my own because everynight I get off work I see a shout before I can Evan set one up, and their not picky either. As far as "needing" a arma to get in on cor, your *** joking, right? As long as they keep rolls up on dd and Mage who gives a ***what gun they have. The only remotely annoying thing is finding 2 good pld's, other then that weapons are not holding anybody back on my server from what I see lol. And if you can't get in a pt, get 100k bayld and do a wildskeeper so you can make your own, I'm sure it will fill up fast enough.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: » Bismarck.Jarlax said: » All this says to me is, lvl a mage job, wear the most gimp gear you can, and purchase a Delve weapon when possible. I have been thinking of leveling COR just for this purpose. That or BRD but even then, I would feel really bad to come as BRD without at least 3 songs. COR is probably the safest of all considering its role. That's what FFXI is about anyway, as much as I don't enjoy going back to 2007, if it's needed, why not. Ditto, all the shouts I ever see are looking for WHM,COR,BRD 15/18, or it is Delve Weapon only for DD. So why not gear up one of my crappy mage jobs and mooch off the "elite" DD's. I already got my whm gear set, working on a cor set and then I'm just gonna sit in the back and fart around while all the leetist do the work. (Not entirely, but it is the gist of it) It's not like it used to be in 2007 or older when people didn't care half as much about gear, but about the quality of the player. People don't wanna work smart/hard anymore to get anywhere, they just wanna zerg through it and get to that next level. So it's time for me to get on the new ship and do the same, COR&WHM here I come! My server doesn't have many KI shouts and the ones I have been in have failed. I joined a new LS that has been doing new content and I have seen what this poster has been saying since my new LS always shout for the last few members in ally.
The leader is so focused on plasma runs so no NM's recruits new players that do not have the KIs. He complains all the time about not getting good DD and will also not allow his own LS members in the ally if they do not have Delve weapons. My issue is that he/they could easily do a KI run 1nce a week to catch new members up but it seems it is all about Him and the others who already have the Ki's. This is my only issue with the new system when you have enough people in your own shell but have to shout because you CANT slow down and help your own. Ravenn42 said: » My server doesn't have many KI shouts and the ones I have been in have failed. I joined a new LS that has been doing new content and I have seen what this poster has been saying since my new LS always shout for the last few members in ally. The leader is so focused on plasma runs so no NM's recruits new players that do not have the KIs. He complains all the time about not getting good DD and will also not allow his own LS members in the ally if they do not have Delve weapons. My issue is that he/they could easily do a KI run 1nce a week to catch new members up but it seems it is all about Him and the others who already have the Ki's. This is my only issue with the new system when you have enough people in your own shell but have to shout because you CANT slow down and help your own. On my server US/JP shout they are fighting the NM. Usually up to 33% until dead. You can take more than 18 members into this event. So people do run i for KI or looty. It is quite nice. Last night I did a zone with a japanese group. Before that a USA group on the mountain region. Only forest left. Point is when a LS or group is killing one of the three bosses they could have someone shout in town. More mebers do help the kill speed. Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » On my server US/JP shout they are fighting the NM. Usually up to 33% until dead. You can take more than 18 members into this event. So people do run i for KI or looty. It is quite nice. Last night I did a zone with a japanese group. Before that a USA group on the mountain region. Only forest left. Point is when a LS or group is killing one of the three bosses they could have someone shout in town. More mebers do help the kill speed. Delve =/= Naakul Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: » As far as "needing" a arma to get in on cor, your *** joking, right? As long as they keep rolls up on dd and Mage who gives a ***what gun they have. He then went on to shout for a cor for the next hour and a half. Same guy that only wanted rank6+ delve DD though so I didn't expect to get a different answer. Obviously not needed, but if getting an arma can help someone avoid that crap, they may as well get on it. Should probably give up on delve for a bit and get back to work on mine. Though it probably looks this way, I'm not mad about any of the above, just a little disappointing. He did reply to tell at least, usually just ignored now. Total quote fail at first... Cerberus.Diabolique said: » Ragnarok.Hotkarl said: » As far as "needing" a arma to get in on cor, your *** joking, right? As long as they keep rolls up on dd and Mage who gives a ***what gun they have. He then went on to shout for a cor for the next hour and a half. Same guy that only wanted rank6+ delve DD though so I didn't expect to get a different answer. Obviously not needed, but if getting an arma can help someone avoid that crap, they may as well get on it. Should probably give up on delve for a bit and get back to work on mine. Though it probably looks this way, I'm not mad about any of the above, just a little disappointing. He did reply to tell at least, usually just ignored now. Total quote fail at first...
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Was pretty obvious it was him I guess, but never had much of a problem joining his crap before now.
Know to just stop trying to join his shouts now though, really not worth the effort on any job. He turned me down 2 days ago, I answered a similar shout 10 seconds after he did so, was accepted. It turned out that Avn was one of the party leaders in the alliance. I found it pretty funny.
He's an idiot, I kinda miss the Plotinus' days at this point. The problem I have with all this is the exclusion. For years I have heard non-Japanese players bristle over being denied a spot in exp/event/NM hunts because the leader wanted "Japanese Only". And now it seems that we are doing this to each other. I saw something Saturday that rendered this whole thread moot, I saw a warrior with a bayld-bought Great Sword do a 48k Resolution on a Delve NM because the alliance was exploiting Physical damage vs. Magic Damage resistance.
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Actually if you exploit it properly, you'll do 99k, no less.
Also, it's not as bad as racism, there is a reason for exclusion right now. People just use it the wrong way and people using it are generally retards/baddies themselves, that's all. |
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