Delve Weapons Only
Delve weapons only
Yes I have partied with a PUP with Rigor/Alternator, it is damn impressive.
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Siren.Taruina said: »
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Do you whink one party of five blms or schs nukeing with a bard would be better than a standard six man dd party. After they got delve staff and good mab gear.
No, BLM is for stunning, d2-ing, enfeebling, and proccing.
Unless you somehow get into a version of delve with only matamatas, you will be averaging near Jirachi's number of plasm.
Do you whink one party of five blms or schs nukeing with a bard would be better than a standard six man dd party. After they got delve staff and good mab gear.
No, BLM is for stunning, d2-ing, enfeebling, and proccing.
Unless you somehow get into a version of delve with only matamatas, you will be averaging near Jirachi's number of plasm.
Ohh You're so funny, bet you didn't know the strategies and maps of Delve a week ago.
Didn't i already say i only did it once before? About a week ago I have yet to do it again, the Twilights playing Reraise on the NMs didn't make me want to go back.
I don't think that was ment as an insult at you. It was ment to say that a blm party in delve would do poorly.
A week ago we were getting 3-5k a run in fractures, lead by me.
Which tbh, is kinda low.
And a BLM party would do poorly for farming plasm.
Which tbh, is kinda low.
And a BLM party would do poorly for farming plasm.
Siren.Taruina said: »
A week ago we were getting 3-5k a run in fractures, lead by me.
Don't know the leader i went with, think the entire group was new to it. Was more of an exploration for some of us, we had some members leading us around. Having a NM down the first path was what got us though.
And yes, Even though Black Mage is Powerful, they can't take a hard hit. Plus if it isn't killed on cast, they can still link.
bards to sleep, blms are useless. Cor to buff, pull. Thief to pull and th for alixir drops. Then drk with berevers, sams rem or better, monks with rigor pups with rigor and alternator for dps. Everone else gtfo. Blue can pull too I guess and help sleep. Plds to pull or tank nms, schs to heal or whms if need sacrifice.
Maybe kc ranger could do okay but dunno if they can hit well with a kc though.
Maybe kc ranger could do okay but dunno if they can hit well with a kc though.
b-but guys, remember what iwagami said
"While
in actuality there may be some who say
"don’t come do Delve unless you have Delve
equipment," we’d appreciate if you would
keep in mind that we designed this system
to give these players an opportunity."
"We'd
really be grateful if those of you who are
experienced could invite these newcomers
to take on this content when you have the
ability to do so."
Give gimps a chance!
(posting on phone sorry)
"While
in actuality there may be some who say
"don’t come do Delve unless you have Delve
equipment," we’d appreciate if you would
keep in mind that we designed this system
to give these players an opportunity."
"We'd
really be grateful if those of you who are
experienced could invite these newcomers
to take on this content when you have the
ability to do so."
Give gimps a chance!
(posting on phone sorry)
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Boredwithyou said: »
Sry to say r/e/m's are like having war widowmakers before delve weapons came out. They are that dominant. Sure when they update r/e/m's whenever they will be back on top but as of now there is no update scheduled. So either get with the program and max out a delve weapon or keep the 95/99 r/e/m only and do pre-adoulin content, or know you will be gimping the party and probably wont get invited unless its your LS members shouting. This is a mathematics game, and math doesnt care how hard you worked for your r/e/m, all its saying is delve weapons are superior by alot.
And these weapons are freaking easy to make. 30k pts or a lucky lotted drop should take a day or 2. Then either take your time and get the airlixirs by farming or if you got the gil just buy'm. 2 days to beat a r/e/m. Seems easy enough.
And these weapons are freaking easy to make. 30k pts or a lucky lotted drop should take a day or 2. Then either take your time and get the airlixirs by farming or if you got the gil just buy'm. 2 days to beat a r/e/m. Seems easy enough.
The problem with requiring them for delve plasm farming is that Plasm is what you use to acquire the weapon in the first place. It's a serious case of catch-22 and stupidly elitist to a point of backfiring. It's like requiring NNI gear to farm NNI. Having appropriate gear and a decent weapon is one thing, demanding a weapon from the content your shouting for is another entirely.
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Sylph.Jrpg said: »
b-but guys, remember what iwagami said
"While
in actuality there may be some who say
"don’t come do Delve unless you have Delve
equipment," we’d appreciate if you would
keep in mind that we designed this system
to give these players an opportunity."
"We'd
really be grateful if those of you who are
experienced could invite these newcomers
to take on this content when you have the
ability to do so."
Give gimps a chance!
(posting on phone sorry)
"While
in actuality there may be some who say
"don’t come do Delve unless you have Delve
equipment," we’d appreciate if you would
keep in mind that we designed this system
to give these players an opportunity."
"We'd
really be grateful if those of you who are
experienced could invite these newcomers
to take on this content when you have the
ability to do so."
Give gimps a chance!
(posting on phone sorry)
Sadly thats not the game we live in anymore, Clear by looking at it when Empy people who suck are given priority over Trial Weapon(STR/Att+ or TP Bonus+) and people with AHable gear/weapons that are at least trying to make themselves better.
I keep thinking this guy can't dig himself any deeper, and he blows my mind every time.
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Shiva.Jirachi said: »
Sadly thats not the game we live in anymore, Clear by looking at it when Empy people who suck are given priority over Trial Weapon(STR/Att+ or TP Bonus+) and people with AHable gear/weapons that are at least trying to make themselves better.
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Boredwithyou said: »
Sry to say r/e/m's are like having war widowmakers before delve weapons came out. They are that dominant. Sure when they update r/e/m's whenever they will be back on top but as of now there is no update scheduled. So either get with the program and max out a delve weapon or keep the 95/99 r/e/m only and do pre-adoulin content, or know you will be gimping the party and probably wont get invited unless its your LS members shouting. This is a mathematics game, and math doesnt care how hard you worked for your r/e/m, all its saying is delve weapons are superior by alot.
And these weapons are freaking easy to make. 30k pts or a lucky lotted drop should take a day or 2. Then either take your time and get the airlixirs by farming or if you got the gil just buy'm. 2 days to beat a r/e/m. Seems easy enough.
The problem with requiring them for delve plasm farming is that Plasm is what you use to acquire the weapon in the first place. It's a serious case of catch-22 and stupidly elitist to a point of backfiring. It's like requiring NNI gear to farm NNI. Having appropriate gear and a decent weapon is one thing, demanding a weapon from the content your shouting for is another entirely.
Sry to say r/e/m's are like having war widowmakers before delve weapons came out. They are that dominant. Sure when they update r/e/m's whenever they will be back on top but as of now there is no update scheduled. So either get with the program and max out a delve weapon or keep the 95/99 r/e/m only and do pre-adoulin content, or know you will be gimping the party and probably wont get invited unless its your LS members shouting. This is a mathematics game, and math doesnt care how hard you worked for your r/e/m, all its saying is delve weapons are superior by alot.
And these weapons are freaking easy to make. 30k pts or a lucky lotted drop should take a day or 2. Then either take your time and get the airlixirs by farming or if you got the gil just buy'm. 2 days to beat a r/e/m. Seems easy enough.
The problem with requiring them for delve plasm farming is that Plasm is what you use to acquire the weapon in the first place. It's a serious case of catch-22 and stupidly elitist to a point of backfiring. It's like requiring NNI gear to farm NNI. Having appropriate gear and a decent weapon is one thing, demanding a weapon from the content your shouting for is another entirely.
I like you brought up that right there i had that said to me trying to get Phyros set for DRK "Sorry but can you put on your real set of gear, Cant use full +1/2 for NNI" -This is it, its good in STR and Attack, would you rather me come SCH? i have capped Enhancing with over +60 in gear- "Have Nares' Set? -No this is my second NNI run- that was like 3 weeks after NNI came out.
You don't need a delve party to get plasm. Farm shards, farm gil to buy shards. Get the NM killed, buy it. End of.
Yeah my first weapon was purchased from NM kills and shard farming, maybe a few shitty delve runs like the ones you guys experiencing where we thought 3k was great.
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
You don't need a delve party to get plasm. Farm shards, farm gil to buy shards. Get the NM killed, buy it. End of.
That's a pretty large time investment though, but I guess if you wanted too, it certainly works.
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
You don't need a delve party to get plasm. Farm shards, farm gil to buy shards. Get the NM killed, buy it. End of.
That's a pretty large time investment though, but I guess if you wanted too, it certainly works.
It's a time investment, but anyone could do it. You don't need to get into these so called "elite" delve farming parties.
Believe me, some people do just go out and buy tons of shards and airlixirs, then they go out and farm.
Shard farming is soul killing . _.
After I got my first T5 KI, I farmed up about 2k plasm that way before I realized I had unconsciously tied a bed sheet noose around my neck and was about to jump out the window.
After I got my first T5 KI, I farmed up about 2k plasm that way before I realized I had unconsciously tied a bed sheet noose around my neck and was about to jump out the window.
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I prefer to go as a dd but I pull on blm most of the time and its just fine. Now as a damage dealers it definitely not effecient. Sometimes the diremites can be a little hairy as they seem to run faster than the movemnet speed enhancement gear.
Shouting for people falls under the same rules of supply and demand as the AH does. If I want to run a delve party I could shout for anyone, get a ton of tells, or I could shout for r/e/m and get half that, or shout bereaver drk and bloodbath axe war dd's only and still fill up.
Think I'd rather deal with a bunch of tells I have no sweet clue if they'll be good or fill up just as fast with people that have at least a better chance at being good?
tl;dr Start your own damn shout.
The real irony is the people who shout r/m/e only, who have r/m/e, and who suck. On Shiva there's a SAM who shouts like that and in some ig-alima fights where there were no relevant procs called for either sam or mnk I did literally 3x his damage on mnk with blutklauen. (while also giving the whole group 18.75% defense down on ig!)
Edit: oh and the irony of people shouting r/m/e only for lower tier vw, whether the person shouting sucks or not. And yes, that also happens on Shiva.
Think I'd rather deal with a bunch of tells I have no sweet clue if they'll be good or fill up just as fast with people that have at least a better chance at being good?
tl;dr Start your own damn shout.
The real irony is the people who shout r/m/e only, who have r/m/e, and who suck. On Shiva there's a SAM who shouts like that and in some ig-alima fights where there were no relevant procs called for either sam or mnk I did literally 3x his damage on mnk with blutklauen. (while also giving the whole group 18.75% defense down on ig!)
Edit: oh and the irony of people shouting r/m/e only for lower tier vw, whether the person shouting sucks or not. And yes, that also happens on Shiva.
It is true with Delve weapons it will maximize his farming productivity, for the said run, however, in the long run it may not be true.
If people start doing this, then people with no Delve weapons will not be able to get enough plasm to get them, screwing his future farms eventually.
If people start doing this, then people with no Delve weapons will not be able to get enough plasm to get them, screwing his future farms eventually.
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Sylph.Wardeniii said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Sylph.Wardeniii said: »
If you obliterated everyone with a 95 amano on a 7500 plasm run, then it could have been a 9-9.5K plasm run with proper weapons.
If you were top damage against Delve DD's as you used a 85 Masa, due to you being the only who was hitting it -- you were with horrible players, and improperly buffed.
It is not a shocker that there are indeed people out there who are worse than whatever an 85-95 R/E has to offer.
Seriously, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Also, bolded part, they had Delve or RME 99s. I don't think you can make more "proper" than this, which is the whole point of the discussion.
Might want to go back to not opening your mouth on that one.
If they had delve weapons or RME 99's, and you were beating them with your holier than thou 95 amano and 85 masa, then they were just poor players.
Of course individual skill is going to play a role, but that wasn't the topic -- the topic was comparing weapons, and all other things being equal, the delve weapons are generally going to outperform.
P.S. Where does the water come from that you and Pchan drink? It would be a great service to alert the public.
Also, the actual topic was: a good player with a RME will do better than your average player with a Delve weapon. Therefore, some people rather take this guy who they know is good with a RME than this guy that they don't know with a Delve weapon. It's as simple as that.
Regarding the comparison with Pchan, I'll laugh back at you considering the amount of idiots sporting your nation flag that can be found both in this thread and on the forums in general.
Cerberus.Efonsecab said: »
It is true with Delve weapons it will maximize his farming productivity, for the said run, however, in the long run it may not be true.
If people start doing this, then people with no Delve weapons will not be able to get enough plasm to get them, screwing his future farms eventually.
If people start doing this, then people with no Delve weapons will not be able to get enough plasm to get them, screwing his future farms eventually.
That response was utter nonsense. Delve is a long-term event; people will need to farm it for quite some time to finish weapons and armor. If it's easy *now* to fill up a group while being as selective as you can possibly be for shouting, it can only get easier until the point where people who have those weapons "finish" delve.
(edited to clarify which response I meant)
Only read the first few pages and then the last few, this topic was a direct response to my delve farming run last night. Now as Alistaire said it is very easy to fill up the 8 DD spots of the alliance with Delve weapon DD. It is also true that a r/m/e could preform okay in delve, they in almost any case will not out preform a delve dd. I shout for delve weapon dd only now because after making groups for this since day 1 of the event going live I have a pretty good idea of who i can take as a dd and not suck. Do I sometimes invite someone I don't have history with when they have an appropriate weapon? Yes, if they *** up or do horribly they generally will not get another invite. Same goes for healers and buffers though. The whole delve weapons onry idea is more so a first step in weeding out the lazy people who want to come dd but gimp up my farming run by not keeping current. Again to reiterate what so many people have said if you don't like how I do my pugs, make your own. I will have no trouble filling my alliance when I shout.
Though they are probably trying to join your group in an attempt to actually stay current. What other choice do they have in this situation? Need Delve weapon to do delve but can't do delve to get delve weapon.
Not that you are under any obligation to carry people at all. Should just keep on doing whatever you're doing if it's working.
Edit: I mean, take whatever you prefer or what is best for your run, but it can't be difficult to see why people may have some issues with this.
Not that you are under any obligation to carry people at all. Should just keep on doing whatever you're doing if it's working.
Edit: I mean, take whatever you prefer or what is best for your run, but it can't be difficult to see why people may have some issues with this.
Plenty of people make delve parties. If you are motivated enough to want a weapon you can make a party.
I haven't had any trouble getting into PTs w/o a delve weapon as of yet ^^v
Not so much an issue from what I have seen here, most are fine with 99 REM in party. I commonly run parsers (More for my own benefit to see what I should be tweaking and compare to XML data, but those with delves performing about on par with 99 REM owners. also, REMs get update soon, not so much a worry, as long as the trial are not just insane for now good reason.
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