IiPunch - Monk Guide

I do the Path A and i'm very happy with ^^

I havent included Sagitta because of no time, but i suspect its probably somewhere above Spharai. I dont think Stp actually give much benefits with impetus down, because its probably the same story of very little difference between WSing at 2000 or 2500 with Raging fists/tornado kick being optimal. Odd 50% should be quite nice tho. It somewhere between odt on spharai and odt on veret. Similar to Spharai has no real boost to WSs. DT and HP on it is nice for counterstance build like Rua showcased in his videos.

I will add Sagitta and check it in sheet and update my post and make notification when its done. Maybe this night.

How is tornado kick without footwork DPS wise? I still find it better than howling fist for me. Tho I hate howling fist so there is that.

Howling fist is WS that you want to use when you are not attack capped, because it has attack bonus. Raging fists is the WS that is best to use outside of footwork at high TP.

So if someone could explain to me why all the mnks i see (and the guide) have wsd all over Raging Fist set I would greatly appreciate it.

To me, seems like Raging Fist almost mirrors Resolution and that WSD gear would have very little impact (first hit only). Im just a little confused why you would use WSD over DA/TA/QA Thanks.

Ftp doesnt transfer, thats the short of it, specially at 2k and above the 1st hit is more valuable dmg wise than the following hits, same concept for upheaval/insugency and other ws' that dont transfer but have ftp spikes after 1k

The fTP on Raging is front-loaded onto the first hit so a majority of the damage comes from that first hit, thus WSD.

Well the new knuckles just dethrone jolt as the go to H2H. wonder how they compare to That tumult h2h.

Now that I think about it it makes the Ken set +1 even more nasty for monk.

Denouements? They're barely even comparable lol.

Tumult drops Commeuppances/+1

Does anyone have a BIS Asuran Fists set with these H2H?

those aren't even comparable either

stack all the multi-hit you can!

I hope you're kidding.

Is Shukuyu Sune-Ate still required when activating footwork?

Yes for the attack bonus. Presumably will be replaced with empyrean +2/3 Footwork bonus.

New H2H looks interesting. Cape Crit Hit Rate +10% would be an ideal pair with it, especially when Impetus is down.

Isnt that worst than stp cape? strictly for tp gain

Not when you get STP+50 for a crit

Why would STP 10 be better than crit 10% with new H2H? 10% chance at 50 STP. Better than that cause a lot of monks TP gear has crit on them. So, yeah, crit 10% cape is far superior than STP cape if you have the new h2h

Right, derp my math.

Talking strictly from a Crit->STP conversion ratio perspective. Moreso when Impetus is down, if you're using these h2h + full kendatsuba+1 and cape + merits (not even counting bonus from dex), you're at a ~66%+ rate for at least 1 minute with Focus active (x2). For Impetus, a non RMEA monk can probably completely disregard the cape and go back to DA/STP augment, since he will cap it rather quickly anyways with body.

So +50 STP base from h2h alone in full crit build when Impetus is down, and swap Cyclas + normal MA/STP set when Impetus is up. You effectively lose no STP from swapping to su3. That's a pretty useful addition to Monk's arsenal, especially since it's a tad bit slower in TP gain sometimes. Ride capped Crit hit rate for free STP, that's nice.

Anyone played around with the new H2H yet? How is it?

Im curious too

Rua has, it's in his monk guide video.

I don't think too many people are lining up to waste countless hours on farming a pulse to throw it away on monk, so might be a minute.

But you can pretty much guess exactly how it'll go;

Asuran still ***, 50stp is nice, it's better than all nonrema, probably better than godhands impetus up since tp bonus doesnt really do anything for Vsmite. Rogue's roll is probably a deal breaker in a monkcentric party using them. (and with shining one being OP rogue's is probably the new meta anyway)

*what video? he's got no youtube thing since they came out, karambit not sagitta

Thought you meant Sagitta. My mistake.

Impetus up:
6957 using Vsmite ASAP

Impetus down, footwork up:
6021 using Tornado at 2500TP

Impetus down, Footwork down:
5136 using Raging Fists at 2500TP

It rivals some R15 REMA under certain conditions. I haven't checked with Rogue roll up, but I checked max potential with simply adding 50 sTP in TP set, but that only raises damage over above results by max 300DPS with Impetus down (under Impetus avg crit rate is 80%+ anyway). I couldn't simply add Rogue roll, because if I would assume attack is capped without chaos roll, then Fighter's roll adds way more DPS, especially under Impetus.

Ahh So around Spharaii R15 level. Not bad for a vastly cheaper weapon.

Sagitta A

Impetus up:
7308 using Vsmite asap

Impetus down, Footwork up:
6379 using Tornado at 2500TP

Impetus down, Footwork down:
5609 using Raging Fists at 2500TP

Pretty much second DPS after R15 Veret, but also having -10DT and +150HP.

Now SagittaB is pretty much the same DPS as SagittaA IF following attack works on both hands like someone anecdotally reported. If it's working on only 1 hand, then its significantly worse (like 300+ dps under all three conditions I usually use). I used chaos/sam rolls.

Actually forget what I wrote. I just found out that I had some problem with samurai roll not working !!! :OOO

I need to recheck ALL previous numbers and I will actually also do 2 variants now, with XI Fighter roll up and down and I will use CC XI Samurai roll. All rolls with +7 phantom.

The numbers will raise significantly I believe :O

I'm sooooo sorry that I havent noticed this earlier :(

Anecdotal from me I know but I've seen Path A Sagitta utterly rip things apart, not as much as a R15 Vereth... that is easily top for DPS. However, the Sagitta also doubles as a very good defensive weapon with Damage Taken-10%.

I hate that his has been bugging me since I read it.

Increasing crit hit rate by 10% to get the 50 STP from the weapon is an effective increase of 5 STP per hit (50 * 0.1). That does not outweigh 10 STP all the time from a STP cape. Arguing that monk TP gear already had crit on it doesn't change this calculation, because without 10% crit cape, you'll still get that 50 STP a certain percentage of the time.

For instance, if your base crit rate is already 20%, the weapon already gives you an effective STP of 10 (50 * 0.2). If you use STP cape, you have effective STP of 20 (10+10). If you use crit cape, that 0.2 changes to 0.3 and you're at 15 STP. Still 5 lower than a STP cape.

Now if you want to argue that 10% crit hit rate increases your total damage, that's a different discussion (you'd have to compare the added white damage from 10% crit to the added weaponskill damage via increased weaponskill frequency from 5 STP). That math is more complicated and dependent on a lot more factors.