IiPunch - Monk Guide

Ok so this link to the newest sim should work ! In the midle of China right now with a shitty computer and internet.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wbcilaHsTeZ0E3MG5ZaHdDM3c/view?usp=sharing

If anyone wants to come to Quetzalcoatl and sell two full kendatsuba contact me on FFXIAH or mdkuser ingame.

A couple of question since I'm out of the touch for 2-3 years

- is acc capped at 99% or 95% on H2H ?
- What are the best augments on herculean stuff, for a TP piece ?
- this is how I have spharai's hidden 3x proc work, is this correct ?
If a multiattack procs on the main fist, 3x proc affects only the first hit. The proc rate is checked independently to multiatack checks. Can proc on WS.

- this is how I have verethragna's AM1 3x proc work, is this correct ?
same but doesn't proc on WS


- if a WS has ftp vary with TP, let's say 1 ftp @1000tp and 4 ftp @2000TP then it gets 2.5 ftp @ 150 tp ? I get 2.5 ftp with 1000 TP and a 500 tp bonus piece of gear ?

relic doesn't proc on weapon skill.
ftp question is correct.

i also fixed several other errors like empyrean aftermath not overwritten itself, cumulative bonuses of job points, and a few other things along the way such as 8 hit per round cap and the other things i've already mentioned to you.

That explains it, thank you!
Even on MNK, over 1163 isn't out of reach. In the gear I currently wear, I'm at 1092 before food and buffs.
The difference in accuracy of the ideal set and what I currently wear is... 33. So, in the ideal set, I'd be at 1125.
1125 before food and buffs. It could cap.

Thank you for running those simulations, posting the results and answering my questions!

spharai fixed again

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wbcilaHsTeTkxNaXR0bDNHZm8/view?usp=sharing

spharai now 4% below vere ...

Please post when the simulator's accuracy calculations are fixed. It is messing up somewhere... Maybe with gifts? Maybe BRD songs aren't pushing through to the end?

If it is uncapping accuracy in situations where accuracy should be capped, we can't really trusts the results at all.

and what situation is that? because just saying it doesn't work doesn't help

as far as gifts go just change self.acc,self.crit = 15,0.2 to 41,0.2

it's right at the top when the class is first defined

I don't have access to the simulator. I don't really have any interest in using this simulator, either.

But since it is the common ground we are using for this debate, I'm willing to work through its conclusions.

You said your test put my set below capped accuracy on Apex Crabs with BRD and GEO support, which I've shown above to be false.
Doing so over values the higher accuracy on Kendatsuba gear. Higher accuracy that is unnecessary.

Thank you for your help!

you didn't show anything. your set doesn't cap hit rate on one of the lowest evasion apex mobs and you're throwing a fit. your set with river fin soup still won't cap.

changing just dedition to telos alone is 18 acc, so i don't know what you're going on about.

If you need reference from other than myself...
Try here.

DHO GATES
Level 128-130, beyond the Col. Reive in the southern part of map 1
- Jagils
- Triple Bats
- Craklaws
- Crabs
Accuracy for 95% Hit Rate: 1250

Starting at 1125 accuracy without buffs or food, hitting 1250 is easy.
If we want to get fancy, Focus, even without any JSE swaps on activation, gives +40 accuracy (with max job points). When Focus is down, Aggressor could be used, which gives 25 accuracy.

So, before BRD songs and food, just counting JAs the MNK could control, accuracy in my ideal set would never dip below 1150.
It only needs 100 more to cap on Apex Crabs, which BRD songs would achieve on their own. The MNK in this situation would be free to eat anything it wanted.

Have I shown enough?

acc songs are a waste

but you'll ignore anything anyone says anyways, so whatever

On what level of content we discussing? Apex, yeah they are generally a waste if the BRD has Honor March, otherwise one might be helpful if your fighting in the two higher level camps. Our general song load out on boss's is Marcato Honor March, Victory March, Minuet V and Madrigal II, on trash we swap out the Madrigal II for Minuet IV.

Stop hiding behind insufficient conditions. The 4-song BRD should be rocking out Accuracy and Haste. The GEO can take care of most, if not all, the Attack needs. A COR pewpews Dia II with Light Shot. Anything else gets covered by food, as necessary.

Don't gimp an alternate set just to sell that Kendatsuba.

MNK is in a sad place, and needs more help than any other job.

But, even if you ignore everything I've shared above, eatting sublime sushi, the NQ stuff, that would make up the missing 100 accuracy. In which case, the BRD could sing anything it wanted.

My proposed set is still capped accuracy and the simulation is incorrectly skewed to over value Kendatsuba.

yes apex since that's all anyone here seems to care about.

They act as a decent baseline, given we know their stats.
But, when aiming for higher targets, accuracy songs are no longer a waste so what exactly are you trying to say?

but you don't take monk to any thing remember? so why would it matter to you?

Hmm yeah, on the lower tiers (Doh / Woh) acc song is only useful if the BRD doesn't have HM and the DD's are low on JP. Raz is a bit different but that place is for people who know WTF their talking about.

Participate or crack open a Dr Pepper and some Doritos and watch GoT?

Because if the simulation is wrong, the results are wrong.
If you are seeking truth, which is the whole point of a simulation, this should bother you in-and-of-itself.

Don't spew trash numbers to try to sell gear.

Please let us all know when the simulator is actually simulating.
Until then, all please be advised, the results are wrong.

if it isn't working then prove it.

I have. My set caps accuracy on the designated target. Your simulator says it doesn't. It's broken~

1211 - 1092 = 119. that's how much acc you still lack. acc songs are a waste when you can cap attack with x3 minuet and no geomancer attack buff and only need defense down. that frees you up for magic defense down if you have a black mage magic bursting.

Stop. Just stop. We aren't testing the power of a BLM magic bursting. We are comparing sets on a MNK.

I'm at 1092 in what I currently own.
My accuracy in my posted ideal set would be 1125.
Assuming I need to hit 1250 to cap hit rate (where did the 1211 come from?)...

With Aggressor (and Focus, but Aggressor has the lower value so let's use that as a constant), that 1125 becomes 1150.
The missing 100 accuracy can be achieved by either food or BRD songs.

Don't spew trash numbers to try to sell gear.

So to use your superior mix and match dpss set we have to sacrifice a song or food ?
back to Doritos ^^

you don't even know the hit rate calc and you want to say it's wrong? jesus *** christ you're not even worth it.

It isn't a sacrifice. Cap accuracy and attack with buffs and food. Wear gear that provides bonuses that either can't be achieved with buffs/food or in greater amounts than buffs/food can provide.

What is even happening here? The simulator is wrong. How is this a debate? Adjust it.
Though, all this shadow-boxing makes me doubt we'll get anything honest out of it anyway.

There was a whole discussion in the WAR thread in early March... I'll quote some of it:


By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2017-03-09 23:54:18

can you prove it's wrong? i don't think you can when you apparently can't even tell what the acc required to cap is.

I have. Abundantly.

I chose a third party number, as posted in the linked guide by Sylph.Jeanpaul, as a common ground for debate.
That number is 1250, which my set can achieve.
Your number is 1211, which is less, so my set can achieve that also and more easily.

The simulator is wrong.