IiPunch - Monk Guide

The thing is, it doesn't have to be necessary to win for it to be more useful.

Let's be generous and say it's a 10% damage difference. Assuming both DD make the change, you're looking at maybe 2 minutes on a 30 min omen run(much of the time will be objective focus or running.. trash mobs often won't even have a measurable difference as the same amount of attack rounds will kill with either set in most cases.)

Now, you can have 32 minute omen runs where the mages can mostly ignore status ailments and just throw a curaga every so often, or you can have 30 minute runs where they have to be on full focus with frequent risk of death. Being a pragmatist instead of a DPS *****, it seems like a pretty easy choice to me.

If it doesn't to you, for whatever reason, we can also bring up damage lost through debuffs. If paralyze has a 20% proc rate, average uptime is 5 seconds, and you're struck with it 10 times in a run, you've lost 10 seconds of damage. If your mage is slower/lazy/overwhelmed healing and you average 10 seconds uptime, you've lost 20 seconds of damage.

Amnesia costs MNK less than most DD, but it's still easily a 20-30% dps loss and can't be removed. Given average duration is around 30 seconds, a couple of those will add up pretty quick.

Now, if you have 1 death in 5 runs, you've lost 3 full minutes of DPS and potentially lost objectives or loot. There goes all the precious seconds you were so concerned about with your MAX SET ONLY mindset.

If your WHMs don't mind being on full focus and you literally never have anyone die at all, cool. I don't think that's the case for many(if any) honest groups. People afk, multibox/multitask, goof off, lag and d/cs happen, alcohol and/or drugs are used during gameplay, whatever. If none of that ever happens to your group, I understand your argument. I just have trouble believing it to be the case.

For the reasons you described, do you advise all DDs to turtle up or even hybrid full-time so the support is less strained for a CP party?

Do you advise all DDs to make a seperate TP set including gear they otherwise would not need to acquire for a CP party?

Nobody is talking about CP besides you.

Given I was responding to this, context should have been a bit of a clue.

The goal of fully-buffing a party before a fight, generally a zerg, but it might be for just a really strong push at the start, is to make any strong NM as trivial as a CP mob, so yes. So your question is wrong, but the answer is yes.

2% more damage will never make a visible difference to anyone in your party. Reducing your damage taken by a significant portion absolutely will.

Our latest series of exchanges all originated from Primex talking about using MNK for CP.


Yes, it should have been.

you TP in it because it has gigantic defensive bonuses and the dps difference is basically nothing

if the only thing that matters is dps, you shouldn't be on mnk to begin with

Sounds about as smart as gimping your defensives vs real mobs to gain 2% DPS. If you're just making one TP set, it's Kendatsuba. Don't hate because you're too broke for it.

you're looking at maybe 2 minutes on a 30 min omen run

I don't know if you routinely use bolster attunement/vex in omen, but without it you certainly haven't reduced the monsters m.acc to the same as a CP mob.

Albumen still has above floor land rates on paralyze, amnesia, petrify, plague, and doom if you do not have soul voice carols in addition to bolster attune/vex. Clearly you aren't using 8 songs on carols alone, and all of those are relevant statuses to block.

Teles is mostly one element, but you certainly aren't capped m.eva during manafont.

These are all places where you will gain a measurable and significant amount of damage reduction by using kendatsuba over a mixed set. If you're saying you value that miniscule an amount of damage over reliability and survivability, you're a fool.

my stuff is all scripted. I will still take the survivability, every time.

Two sides of the same coin.
You can rely on your support to keep the DPS alive and functioning. That is why they are there.
You can't rely on the support to deal 2% of what the DPS is doing. That is why the DPS is there.

On MNK, that 2% is smaller than other DDs, sure, but it is far and away what support is likely to lift over the course of a battle.

Two sides of the same coin.
You can rely on your support to keep the DPS alive and functioning. That is why they are there.
You can't rely on the support to deal 2% of what the DPS is doing. That is why the DPS is there.

On MNK, that 2% is smaller than other DDs, sure, but it is far and away what support is likely to lift over the course of a battle.

ws sets are the same and rest of the tp set is the same besides the legs and feet. which is gaiters and hose and which is NQ kend? emphasis on the NQ part.

Well, if the same sets produce different numbers, wouldn't that make it even more difficult to tell how different sets match-up?

I don't really agree that less than 1% difference won't result in a faster kill. Since time is more our enemy than anything.

Someone please post the BiS for TP and VS and I'll go out and test it.

Since you guys can coding all of this stuff, can you make a script that will mix and match gears, run repeated simulation and rank out the highest average combinations? Probably put them into something presentable to the layman.

Since you guys can coding all of this stuff, can you make a script that will mix and match gears, run repeated simulation and rank out the highest average combinations? Probably put them into something presentable to the layman.

You've never produced a 'test' under controlled conditions enough to support or negate any argument, if I'm being honest. Your videos are fun, but calling them tests is quite a stretch.