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By Odin.Sheelay 2014-12-17 18:19:47
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I miss Tanaka's barance. Things were easier with him.
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By Luthiene 2014-12-18 21:19:41
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
It has to do with the fact that the 5stp will get you to Rudra faster, while doing less white damage.

And that for THF, DA is devalued, *** me if I even try to explain the devaluation of DA for a THF though, that's been done, and I forget where.

Artificially adding another 5 STP is another 50 DPS increase.
Sam roll is epic, for racing to rudra.

Changing hunters roll to Sams roll... is a 12% DPS increase, seriously.
Fighter's is only a 7% increase.

Is this the reason why you have done Qaaxo Hands Path C? Is it a big difference from A?
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By Luthiene 2014-12-18 21:26:10
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Just gonna plunk this down right here, enjoy.


I didn't want to make a new post, so edited this one~

What food did you eat when fighting these NMs? I have always been a hardcore THF, and just got back into the game after a 1 month break and only whipped out Updated Rudras today. Highest Ive seen is 20K+ish on Dho Gates mobs. Maybe they just dont have enough HP since at 2000 TP+ they die instantly. My Gearsets are pretty similar to yours, just lacking all the JPs and Gifts you probably have.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2014-12-18 22:58:25
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Those 2 NMs take bonus damage under the right conditions, so the numbers you're seeing are not typical on regular enemies.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-18 23:23:16
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Those 2 NMs take bonus damage under the right conditions, so the numbers you're seeing are not typical on regular enemies.

No, they don't, neither one.
The griff just happens to be a bird. And largantua takes extra SKILLCHAIN damage only.
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By Asura.Loire 2014-12-19 00:15:18
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Hippo does have a seesaw mechanic that increases dmg dealt to it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-19 00:49:14
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No. It takes 30k+ from the jump. Everytime. Always.
50k at the start, 50k at the end. I only say 30+ cause some asscrack will argue about it and i've seen about all the stupid I can tolerate for 24 hours.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-12-19 03:25:22
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Got a Chaac Belt yesterday and tried Dynamis Bubu last night, 520 which is already my highest dynamis total (probably low compared to some of you I guess), that's my first run since I augmented my Atoyac with OAT and WSD 2%, been a while since I did Dynamis so I guess I forgot how much TP phase there can be, eventually it got to a point where I was procing > Rudra's > next mob.
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By Carbuncle.Sisko 2014-12-19 04:05:19
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520 in bubu is a really good score.

The only times i'm able to reach that many is when TE5 is in the orcish camp.

Otherwise 480-490 seems to be my limit.
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By Pantafernando 2014-12-19 04:11:08
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
No. It takes 30k+ from the jump. Everytime. Always.
50k at the start, 50k at the end. I only say 30+ cause some asscrack will argue about it and i've seen about all the stupid I can tolerate for 24 hours.

Stop seeing mirror and maybe you can last for 72h.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-12-19 04:34:38
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Carbuncle.Sisko said: »
520 in bubu is a really good score.

The only times i'm able to reach that many is when TE5 is in the orcish camp.

Otherwise 480-490 seems to be my limit.
When I get the TEs I always tend to wander down south to see if the 20min is down there then sort of go > Quadavs > Goblins > Orcs > Other Orcs if 20min wasn't south > Yagudo.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-19 08:11:58
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Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Got a Chaac Belt yesterday and tried Dynamis Bubu last night, 520 which is already my highest dynamis total (probably low compared to some of you I guess), that's my first run since I augmented my Atoyac with OAT and WSD 2%, been a while since I did Dynamis so I guess I forgot how much TP phase there can be, eventually it got to a point where I was procing > Rudra's > next mob.

So you had been using Sandung, changed to Atoyac, and saw an improvement? /colormeshocked.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-12-19 08:28:50
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Got a Chaac Belt yesterday and tried Dynamis Bubu last night, 520 which is already my highest dynamis total (probably low compared to some of you I guess), that's my first run since I augmented my Atoyac with OAT and WSD 2%, been a while since I did Dynamis so I guess I forgot how much TP phase there can be, eventually it got to a point where I was procing > Rudra's > next mob.

So you had been using Sandung, changed to Atoyac, and saw an improvement? /colormeshocked.
Well I got a chaac belt so I was using a superior weapon with the same level of TH so it's pretty obvious.

If I'd actually done Atoyac with TH7 it would have been a fairer test on whether or not the DoT from Atoyac would have netted overall more currency.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-19 10:34:32
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Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Got a Chaac Belt yesterday and tried Dynamis Bubu last night, 520 which is already my highest dynamis total (probably low compared to some of you I guess), that's my first run since I augmented my Atoyac with OAT and WSD 2%, been a while since I did Dynamis so I guess I forgot how much TP phase there can be, eventually it got to a point where I was procing > Rudra's > next mob.

So you had been using Sandung, changed to Atoyac, and saw an improvement? /colormeshocked.
Well I got a chaac belt so I was using a superior weapon with the same level of TH so it's pretty obvious.

If I'd actually done Atoyac with TH7 it would have been a fairer test on whether or not the DoT from Atoyac would have netted overall more currency.

That was the point, I don't know how people could even pretend otherwise. The value of offhanding.
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-19 11:11:17
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Barehanded > Sandung.
 
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Was she barebacked?
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2014-12-19 11:58:06
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Did she say "get behind me and stay tight"? Bow chicka bow wow
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By Eliseus 2014-12-19 12:06:29
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Those 2 NMs take bonus damage under the right conditions, so the numbers you're seeing are not typical on regular enemies.

No, they don't, neither one.
The griff just happens to be a bird. And largantua takes extra SKILLCHAIN damage only.

Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
No. It takes 30k+ from the jump. Everytime. Always.
50k at the start, 50k at the end. I only say 30+ cause some asscrack will argue about it and i've seen about all the stupid I can tolerate for 24 hours.

rofl, isn't this the same guy that makes fun of everyone's reading comprehension?
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2014-12-19 12:14:19
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rofl, isn't this the same guy that makes fun of everyone's reading comprehension?

Welcome to the Forums...

Where lurkers gonna lurk...

and ballers gonna ball...

But us thfs don't want none of the above...

We wanna RUDRA'S YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (Rkelly voice)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-19 13:35:22
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Dumb *** ignorance

Being of a certain species is not a "condition" *** retard.

And extra skillchain damage has no relation at all to the rudras damage. Nor is it a "condition".

jesus *** some people are just too stupid for words.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-12-19 14:03:36
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sandung is the best choice in any situation where your ability to deal damage is limited by the number of targets available to you

clearing a camp in 3.5 min instead of 4.5 min means nothing if the extra 60 seconds doesn't give you long enough to change camps, kill a mob, and return

honestly though with current rudra's i wouldn't be that surprised if offhanding a kraken and foregoing multihit for stp was the best dynamis setup atm(operating under the assumption rudras one shots your targets and you would never kill a mob with solely white damage unless you hold tp)
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By Fenrir.Magi 2014-12-19 14:10:09
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Most of us still sometimes have trouble proc'ing mobs even with the Steps update, and have to turn to proc or move on (especially on EP tier). It's obvious Valli's Nightmare mobs come pre-processed and all line up for him, like cows going into the slaughter house
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By Pantafernando 2014-12-19 14:15:28
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I think without tools Valli would wipe in dynamis.
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By Asura.Loire 2014-12-19 14:32:40
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
No. It takes 30k+ from the jump. Everytime. Always.
50k at the start, 50k at the end. I only say 30+ cause some asscrack will argue about it and i've seen about all the stupid I can tolerate for 24 hours.
Just because you are unobservant doesn't mean you need to feign ignorance if you don't understand its mechanic.
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By Eliseus 2014-12-19 14:51:31
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Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Eliseus said: »
Dumb *** ignorance

Being of a certain species is not a "condition" *** retard.

And extra skillchain damage has no relation at all to the rudras damage. Nor is it a "condition".

jesus *** some people are just too stupid for words.

Surely someone of your caliber would know the definiton of Condition. Maybe it's time to go back to school.

con·di·tion
kənˈdiSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: condition; plural noun: conditions

1.
the state of something, especially with regard to its appearance, quality, or working order.
"the wiring is in good condition"
synonyms: state, shape, order
"check the condition of your wiring"
a person's or animal's state of health or physical fitness.
"he is in fairly good condition considering what he has has been through"
synonyms: fitness, health, form, shape, trim, fettle
"she was in top condition"
an illness or other medical problem.
"a heart condition"
synonyms: disorder, problem, complaint, illness, disease, ailment, sickness, affliction, infection, upset
"a liver condition"
a particular state of existence.
"a condition of misery"
archaic
social position or rank.
"those of humbler condition"
2.
the circumstances affecting the way in which people live or work, especially with regard to their safety or well-being.
"harsh working and living conditions"
synonyms: circumstances, surroundings, environment, situation, setup, setting, habitat
"they lived in appalling conditions"
the factors or prevailing situation influencing the performance or the outcome of a process.
"present market conditions"
the prevailing state of the weather, ground, sea, or atmosphere at a particular time, especially as it affects a sporting event.
"the appalling conditions determined the style of play"
3.
a state of affairs that must exist or be brought about before something else is possible or permitted.
"for a member to borrow money, three conditions have to be met"
synonyms: stipulation, constraint, prerequisite, precondition, requirement, rule, term, specification, provision, proviso
"a condition of membership"

verb
verb: condition; 3rd person present: conditions; past tense: conditioned; past participle: conditioned; gerund or present participle: conditioning

1.
have a significant influence on or determine (the manner or outcome of something).
"national choices are conditioned by the international political economy"
synonyms: constrain, control, govern, determine, decide; More
affect, touch;
form, shape, guide, sway, bias
"their choices are conditioned by the economy"
train or accustom (someone or something) to behave in a certain way or to accept certain circumstances.
"we have all been conditioned to the conventional format of TV"
synonyms: train, teach, educate, guide; More
accustom, adapt, habituate, mold, inure
"our minds are conditioned by habit"
2.
bring (something) into the desired state for use.
"a product for conditioning leather"
synonyms: treat, prepare, prime, temper, process, acclimatize, acclimate, season
"condition the boards with water"
make (a person or animal) fit and healthy.
"he was six feet two of perfectly conditioned muscle and bone"
synonyms: improve, nourish, tone (up), moisturize
"a product to condition your skin"
apply something to (the skin or hair) to give it a healthy or attractive look or feel.
"I condition my hair regularly"
bring (beer or stout) to maturation after fermentation while the yeast is still present.
"cask-conditioned real ales"
(of a beer or stout) undergo conditioning.
"brews that are allowed to condition in the bottle"
3.
set prior requirements on (something) before it can occur or be done.
"Congressmen have sought to limit and condition military and economic aid"

I didn't know this level of stupidity/trolling existed in FFXI. Who let you out of WoW trade chat?
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By lhova 2014-12-19 15:03:14
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Fenrir.Magi said: »
Most of us still sometimes have trouble proc'ing mobs even with the Steps update, and have to turn to proc or move on (especially on EP tier). It's obvious Valli's Nightmare mobs come pre-processed and all line up for him, like cows going into the slaughter house

So true. Most times RS rarely comes into play because I tp them dead to fast and have to turn to try to proc. On DC mobs its not horrible though.
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Anyway have a good stacked combo set for eminent baghnakhs?
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