For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

No thanks. The difference between Sandung and an alternate weapon is smaller than the difference between the Patentia sash and the next best belt.

Fact is they all can't do the maths.
All they can do is use spreadsheets and post images to try and make themselves feel better.

How many more gears can I kill per run if I don't use the Sandung?

While I cannot devulge this information, you can kill up to 300 gears in a single salvage run. Maybe more if you're talented.

That's pretty cute.

All you're really doing is repeating yourself now, which is not how you argue. If you want to ignore the benefits of TH9-10, then so be it, but at the very least you need to acknowledge that you're ignoring it.

And considering how my personal group that I put together and lead was selling delve gear before they jacked up all the delve weapons and nerfed it to kingdom come so fellow adventurers like you could clear it, please excuse me if I'm not impressed that you're selling delve gear now.

That's pretty cute.

All you're really doing is repeating yourself now, which is not how you argue. If you want to ignore the benefits of TH9-10, then so be it, but at the very least you need to acknowledge that you're ignoring it.

And considering how my personal group that I put together and lead was selling delve gear before they jacked up all the delve weapons and nerfed it to kingdom come so fellow adventurers like you could clear it, please excuse me if I'm not impressed that you're selling delve gear now.

Still waiting for the math data to prove your point.

lol you shouldn't assume. I'm messing with you about the belt, relax. Repeating myself? Give up about the TH and listen to Valli. If you kill more mobs you have more opportunity for drops. Stop argueing against it, your wrong, get over it.

I don't use a Sandung, I get more coins than you, no math required. You wouldn't understand it even if it were stapled to your forehead.

Better is Better.

I don't use a Sandung, I get more coins than you, no math required. You wouldn't understand it even if it were stapled to your forehead.

Better is Better.

Followup on the TH effect post I made earlier in this thread.

Did another THMode=None run last night to add to the previous run's data. Also went back and tried to do a more careful analysis of the previous runs' data, controlling mob count and coin drops more carefully (eg: making sure the mob count excluded kills during TE fights, or kills made by other parties, and making sure the coin counts excluded coins dropped from mobs outside the designated cycle, etc). I end up with the following results (along with number of mobs killed each run, to *** margin of error):

TH3 samples:
202 mobs, 2.86 coins per mob
190 mobs, 2.84 coins per mob

TH6 samples:
206 mobs, 2.88 coins per mob
193 mobs, 2.96 coins per mob
206 mobs, 2.97 coins per mob
202 mobs, 2.93 coins per mob

These runs all maintained a similar focus on procs (had other runs that focused on kill speed instead, but party structure was also a lot different, so not really comparable), as well as the same party setups (all thf/sam/mnk, though in a couple cases I did mnk while the other mnk did thf).

So I was mistaken in the estimations I provided in my original post. I was most likely remembering the quick estimates I do at the end of each run, which are subject to the flaws I corrected for here.

As a very rough estimate, it appears going from TH3/4 to TH6 raises coin drop rates from approximately 2.85 per mob to 2.95 per mob, or about a 3.5% relative increase.

Using a simplified drop rate model on the 4 coin slots, 2.85 coins per mob is a 71.25% chance per coin while 2.95 coins per mob is a 73.75% chance per coin, giving a 2.5% absolute increase. I would not be at all surprised if the actual rates were 70% for TH2 (or maybe TH3), and +1% per additional point of TH.


Regardless, TH6 does seem to be having at least a small impact on drop rates; technically still well within the margin of error, but game results tend to be fairly stable once you get more than a few hundred samples. Since there's no penalty in using TH gear in tagging actions, might as well keep it in place there.

It's better to kill an entirely NEW mob, for a whole 2 coins, than it is to get higher TH on the same mob for a 1/10th of a coin.

The way you word it makes it sound like people are sitting there trying to stack TH, don't think anyone does that, hit it in TH gear while attempting to proc it, when it procs, kill.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/34755/thf-in-todays-ffxi

It's better to kill an entirely NEW mob, for a whole 2 coins, than it is to get higher TH on the same mob for a 1/10th of a coin.

So that's about 20-30 extra coins per run. Good to know.

Did you even go to grade school?

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. They're arguing that they are PURPOSELY stacking more TH. By use of a Sandung.

No amount of post-its, staples, and hammers can beat any sense into these people.

There is no cure for stupid. In the words of Ron White:

Never mind saying they don't swap out of TH gear and trying to argue that the DPS is =

Now kill appropriately and get 430 mobs for an additional 60+ coins. And that's lowballin' it.

I know it's mean to call someone stupid, but when it's this glaringly obvious, you have to call an apple an apple.

Never mind saying they don't swap out of TH gear and trying to argue that the DPS is =

Also apparently their DPS is so bad they are arguing about attack rounds... ON DYNAMIS FODDER.

It's 2014 guys

Can anyone tell me if Atoyac should be augmented with +crit% or +ws% for Rudra's? Thanks in advance!