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By K123 2025-01-15 04:55:18
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Don't the weak mobs have 17k hp? How do you hit 17k ae with no buffs? Always took me two ws
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By Atrox78 2025-01-15 06:00:23
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K123 said: »
Don't the weak mobs have 17k hp? How do you hit 17k ae with no buffs? Always took me two ws

Agreed. Even peircing weak stuff like flies on floor one (omen) are 2 ws for me.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-01-15 12:35:21
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Who says a THF AoEing Omen always has no buffs?

I usually go with my alt on GEO. With Indi-Acumen and the minor buff from Star Sibyl, I am able to one-shot Omen mobs. Some just barely die though - just did a test on floors 1&2 and some mobs died in one WS, but some had a little HP left and needed two.

So, definitely feels close enough that an offhand that provides some offense (Malevolence, Centovente, etc.) is beneficial to get enough power to 1-shot stuff, more Macc to reduce resists, etc. Acrontica would have resulted in more mobs living until the 2nd WS. Or, what if you WS twice and a stubborn mob gets a couple consecutive partial resists, or if you WS at different amounts of TP (I don't usually WS *only* at 3000tp)? Some mobs might barely survive the second WS if you're using Acrontica, but die if using Malev or Cento. I personally find it a little hard to justify taking the sub weapon slot for 8 DT and a relatively minor increase in Eva/Meva/DEF (which is outweighed by the increase from Null back/waist), when I could just get that DT by adjusting a ring and earring slot in my idle gear.

Another example of when I use buffed THF in Omen: if I go with other people and we're doing a boss, I'll usually THF and speed up the floors by AoEing them down. And I'll often have a COR and/or GEO around who can help give me buffs.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-01-15 12:48:26
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If you're 2boxing omen, you're doing it wrong. 2 solo runs is twice the swart!

The whole point is defeated by taking both at once (or 3 or 4 or 6 boxes etc)
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-01-15 12:52:10
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you're 2boxing omen, you're doing it wrong. 2 solo runs is twice the swart!

The whole point is defeated by taking both at once (or 3 or 4 or 6 boxes etc)

I'm not gonna run it once on each character (or bother building a THF on my second character). But sure, if you were hardcore maximizing swarts.

Besides, point remains. Feels like even with a truly solo+trust THF, it's not that uncommon to see situations where using an offhand that provides some offense is going to reduce your # of WS to kill to x-1. I don't see the point of Acrontica outside of stuff where you are strictly focused on absolutely maximum defense - Buukkhi's example of Sheol mimics, maybe evasion tanking something like Halphas, holding a pack of wave 3 fetter mobs, a Gaol add, whatever...

Or, what about when you kill a pack of sweetwater mobs and then just the Transcended is left? I like having Centovente offhand on final Omen floor, to help with stronger Rudra's for those kind of killshots.
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By Lakshmi.Sahzi 2025-01-16 11:29:11
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Atrox78 said: »
K123 said: »
Don't the weak mobs have 17k hp? How do you hit 17k ae with no buffs? Always took me two ws

Agreed. Even peircing weak stuff like flies on floor one (omen) are 2 ws for me.

For me it's always 2 ws. 1 in TH to be sure I've applied it and the next with my full ws set. I could (maybe) make a set that accomplishes both at once but I'm lazy and I'm out of /equipsets anyway. And it only takes like 15m/run.
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By Atrox78 2025-01-16 12:46:51
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
If you're 2boxing omen, you're doing it wrong. 2 solo runs is twice the swart!

The whole point is defeated by taking both at once (or 3 or 4 or 6 boxes etc)

I'm not gonna run it once on each character (or bother building a THF on my second character). But sure, if you were hardcore maximizing swarts.

Besides, point remains. Feels like even with a truly solo+trust THF, it's not that uncommon to see situations where using an offhand that provides some offense is going to reduce your # of WS to kill to x-1. I don't see the point of Acrontica outside of stuff where you are strictly focused on absolutely maximum defense - Buukkhi's example of Sheol mimics, maybe evasion tanking something like Halphas, holding a pack of wave 3 fetter mobs, a Gaol add, whatever...

Or, what about when you kill a pack of sweetwater mobs and then just the Transcended is left? I like having Centovente offhand on final Omen floor, to help with stronger Rudra's for those kind of killshots.

Yea, my comment definitely wasn't taking buffs into consideration. Agree, geo would make it a one shot.
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By SimonSes 2025-01-16 14:55:26
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Lakshmi.Sahzi said: »
Atrox78 said: »
K123 said: »
Don't the weak mobs have 17k hp? How do you hit 17k ae with no buffs? Always took me two ws

Agreed. Even peircing weak stuff like flies on floor one (omen) are 2 ws for me.

For me it's always 2 ws. 1 in TH to be sure I've applied it and the next with my full ws set. I could (maybe) make a set that accomplishes both at once but I'm lazy and I'm out of /equipsets anyway. And it only takes like 15m/run.

Imo 1 shot doesn't make sense anyway, because 2 shot lets you self SC on Transcendence mob.
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