For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

Ah ok, guess I'd been fed mis-information, I read that the gear cap was now 8 but I was being told the first visible proc would be 8 which made no sense to me, you equip TH8 then the first hit is TH8, any procs then add to the TH8.

I'd like to see what happens with Treasure Hound as it isn't specified in their notes, so I'd either start at TH8 or 9 with first proc message being 9 or 10, unless of course it's already been tested and proven one way or the other.

Well ionis adds 1 level of TH, so an easy test would be to proc anything in adoulin zones with TH8 on gear and ionis on.

I'll test it after work.

Thank you so very much for the great gear update, Malizia.

I'm not done! ; ; and they had to add an update! But you're welcome :) I'll keep at it, and worry about the new gear after I've finished this pass.

Interesting gear from the update for thf:

• plunderer's armlets +1 now has TH+3!
  

• homestead dagger and Ygnas's Resolve for fun in reives :)
  

• bestas bane, we get a ilvl 119 throwing item.
  

• Shneddick +1 gear, ilvl 117. Probably competitive with Espial.
  

• karmesin vest. Definitely won't outperform AF/relic 119 for WS or buffed-TP situations, and I highly doubt it will outperform Skadi's cuirie +1 for solo TP. It does have a ton of evasion though, if you don't want to build an evasion qaaxo harness.
  

• new acc/atk rings: enlivened ring, vehemence ring

I did some mathing before, but could never get a definitive answer before in regards to Aeolean sets;

What I want to know is has anyone cared enough to find the best possible set? I remember finding some odd results, like int/dex would not always increase damage, the formula rounding down etc, and that MAB usually(but not always) beat any amount of dex and/or int you could add.

ItemSet 323845
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/323845
(MAB 73, Magic Damage +94, WSD +4%, obi +10%, Dex +92, Int +70)
Demon's Aug'd with MAB +3
Qaaxo Leggings Path C with MAB +15

The things I'm wondering;
Kheper jacket > Wayfarer? 6MAB vs 4%WSD (I think this amounts to a ~50((WSD)) vs a ~80 ((MAB6 and dex/int+))?) Since the set I have does ~990 and this should do quite a bit more.
Any possible better hands (aside from Athos for day)
Which waist is best when not getting storm from 2box Wanion/Aquiline/other?

I'm looking for some Mercy Stroke advice.

Current build (base set):
ItemSet 270455
Notations from build, including SA/TA and sub job adjustments:
Kheper Jacket +4% weapon skill dmg; Sneak Attack build: Raider's Armlets +2, Rajas Ring; Trick Attack build: Hecatomb Mittens +1 with +4% crit hit dmg; /WAR Sneak Attack build: Wanion Belt, Brutal Earring; /WAR Trick Attack build: Caudata Belt, Brutal Earring.

One of my questions is concerning which body would be best, AF or relic +1? The AF has 5% crit dmg, but the relic has more STR and 3% crit dmg... They both look nice, but I'm kind of leaning towards the AF body, but I thought I would ask before I put the chapters into it.

Also, are the +4% crit dmg Hecatomb Mittens +1 a viable alternative to Pillager's Armlets +1?

EDIT: I've made changes to my build since making this post.

If you aren't benefiting from the accuracy on AF+1 body, Relic +1 should win out.

Hecatomb loses on both SA and TA, but obviously more so on the TA since Pillager's add damage to that as well. Its a few percent worse but I guess I'm hard pressed to think of a better alternative at this time of night.

Relic+1


No

Ok, I've made some adjustments to my Mercy Stroke set (I still need to +1 relic body and AF hands, but that's just a matter of when), and I had one more question: is ele belt/gorget worth considering?

The gorget is absolutely worth considering, and should be best in slot for SA/TA use. I don't have any particular notes for using Mercy Stroke with /DNC, but I know with /WAR a soil belt will probably beat your prosilio belt.

I think the Metalsinger Belt beats out the elemental belt.

For /WAR I was using Wanion to avoid the -double attack... I'll have to mess with the combinations.

No Metalsinger as of yet... I'll probably just go with shadow belt/gorget for now just to simplify things, especially if the neck is already better than what I'm using.

Thanks

From [dev1216] Weapon Skill Adjustments:

WS	Before	After
Wasp Sting	none	DEX: 100%
Viper Bite	none	DEX: 100%
Shadowstitch	CHR: 30%	CHR: 100%
Gust Slash	DEX: 20%, INT: 20%	DEX: 40%, INT: 40% TP bonus @ 3,000 TP
Cyclone	DEX: 30%, INT: 25%	DEX: 40%, INT: 40% TP bonus @ 3,000 TP
Energy Steal	???	MND: 100% TP bonus @ 2,000 or more TP
Energy Drain	???	MND: 100% TP bonus @ 2,000 or more TP
Dancing Edge	DEX: 30%, CHR: 40%	DEX: 40%, CHR: 40%
Shark Bite	DEX: 50%	DEX: 40%, AGI: 40% TP bonus @ TP
Evisceration	DEX: 30%	DEX: 50% TP bonus @ 2,000 or more TP
Mercy Stroke	STR: 60%	STR: 80%
Mandalic Stab	DEX: 30%	DEX: 60% TP bonus @ 1,000 or more TP
Aeolian Edge	DEX: 28%, INT: 28%	DEX: 40%, INT: 40% TP bonus @ 3,000 TP
Rudra's Storm	DEX: 60%	DEX: 80% TP bonus @ 2,000 or more TP
Exenterator	AGI: 86-100%	(Varies) TP bonus @ 2,000 or more TP Twofold attack for the first stage only

In regards to Exenterator's twofold attack, that was a mistranslation, it should be something along the lines of double the value of the attack stat or double the damage of the first hit.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/42592-dev1216-Weapon-Skill-Adjustments

What you guys think about my Tojil sets. Anything i could change maybe, except for getting mandau.

ItemSet 324923

Skirmish aug is Dmg +8 and Acc 7. Qaaxo B.

ItemSet 324924

From the looks of it I'm guessing you're going heavy accuracy? With that assumption:
* I think your TP set looks fine.
* For the Exenterator set, I'd swap in soil gorget, anguinus belt, and iuitl wristbands +1. If you do the first two swaps, you're losing 4 STR for 15 accuracy and 1% DA. Swapping the gloves gives you 10 AGI for 2 STR and 6 accuracy. So totalling up all three swaps, you get 10 AGI, 9 accuracy, and 1% DA, and you only lose 6 STR. Any augment on the Iuitl will help as well.
* pillager's armlets +1 works too for the hands.

Thing is, you shouldn't HAVE to go heavy accuracy for Tojil. Especially on THF, where you should have Feint up 25% of the time anyway, and then when that wears you can pop Aggressor assuming you're /WAR.

I don't really get much chance to Tojil on THF since I'm always on MNK (capping Acc without a mega-Acc MNK set and eating RCB), so I haven't really tweaked my THF optimal acc balance for Tojil... but it definitely looks like acc overkill to me. Probably just want to parse yourself and tweak until you find your correct balance.

Other than that:
* I personally don't care for Rancorous in TP builds in post-Adoulin content. DT+ no thanks. Atheling, Canny, Letalis all sound like better choices to me.

* This stuff may all change in a few hours with the update. THF has a lot of WKR gear that might get significant improvement with the new augments: Uk'uxkaj Cap, Buremte Gloves, Quiahuiz/Kaabnax Trousers, etc.

* Sandung may well become the best offhand weapon with the WS changes and that WS Damage+5%. Have to look more closely there.

Yeah no

Feint is for getting KB pops and super annoying undispellable evasion boosts, not for something that's to be relied upon for decent accuracy.

Put your acc on, parse yourself, checkparam is a thing now, and if you're capped, start taking acc gear off and other things on.

More people need to do this

LMFAO... Vajra no longer for trolling.

15k+ SA Mandalic on bunnies in WOH. This will be fun if I can figure out how to maintain AM3 efficiently.

EDIT:30k+ on Miss BumbleBee

Just augmented agi+8 on kaabnax, they win on nahntirah for exenterator now right?

I'm not saying you should rely on it for acc (nor do you need it to cap on Tojil by any stretch of the imagination), but why the hell would you NOT use Feint if you're fighting Tojil? There's zero downside and it helps the whole alliance, even the gimp DD buddies you might drag along with you. Same goes for any other big bad NM where you're bringing a THF.

Point is just to highlight that even if you suck you're gonna cap acc on Tojil 25% of the time, more with other JAs like Aggressor. Even with zero acc buffs and no acc food, +242 skill THFs should be able to easily cap on Tojil without going overboard on acc gear.


Exactly. Just like I said before. People really do need to do more of this and stop trying to just copy a guide though.

Sorry, i call my high tier sets tojil cuz of spreadsheets. My sets is for DM 2, (except for mithra) and Muyingwa.

Ahhhhh makes a lot more sense then ^^

Anyone have an up to date Evisceration set?

ItemSet 324984

Back and neck combinations : letalis+rancor high acc, rancor+nefarious fodder, possibly vespid+rancor high attk. Head is augmented 8dex, legs 4 crit rate, ring 6 attk, earring tp bonus+attk.
Yeshilla ammo+1(sp) is superior, legs is a toss up between pillager+1/maniR15/heca 4 crit aug as far as I can tell.

Why i see so many ppl tp in reforged relic body? Scared of using non-ilvl body for the lolthings thf does?

Where do you see a thf TPing? No one takes thf to any event, All thf does is solo, I'm just curious.

That, and the differences aren't monumental or anything, it's at most like 10 dps regardless of what you use, sometimes people get a little crazy with this BEST IN SLOT MUST HAVE IT NAO ***, but they shouldn't be tping in it.

Thats what i mean. For the solo content you dont need to worry about defensive stats.