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Which Relic Should I Make?: A Guide
By pchan 2013-02-25 05:01:33
Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with a relic afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.
*Spharai is the best MNK weapon outside of impetus. It must be used with Shijin Spiral. During impetus it is slightly inferior to verethragna (5% to 10% depending on gear). The extra counter can become handy though generally it's not very useful. Spharai's strong point are that it doesn't rely on any kind of aftermath to be efficient, so unless you are killing hordes of enemies for an hour, in every situation (kill a couple of mobs then pause) it's going to surclass anything else, and the second strong point is that its WS is consistant (no crit). 100% dex on shijin makes it very easy to have better builds than victoy smite.
* example of spharai in endgame : 3-man ADL with vereMNK, SPharaiMNK, lolSMN.
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* In comparison to other high end weapons, I made a comparison on BG between the best mythics/relics/empy [KKK, glanzfaust, Vere, Spharai, Ukkon, Ryunohige, Relic DRG, liberator, ragnarok, mythic SAM, mythic WAR]
Very high buffs on weak mobs and impetus :
pup DPS : 770.312963
Vere DPS : 782.691679, spharai : 740.374488
glanz DPS : shijin : 815.917040, ascetic : 757.191501
ryunohige DPS : 786.810370, relic : 508.918496
Ukko DPS : 754.798258
conqueror DPS : 801.438686
koga DPS : 901.485283
liberator DPS : 793.740882
ragnarok DPS : 716.478364
strong mobs with high buff & impetus
pup DPS : 289.494333
vere DPS : 396.847943, spharai : 352.932440
glanz DPS : shijin : 405.887213, ascetic : 437.731817
ryunohige DPS : 316.671890, relic : 193.752040
ukko DPS : 355.930008
conqueror DPS : 381.157458 (+22 dps)
koga DPS : 455.662781
liberator DPS : 336.532639
ragnarok DPS : 314.108901
extreme setup : very high level mobs, very high buffs with angon
pup DPS : 345.883476
monk DPS : 480.278106, spharai : 415.238154
glanz DPS : shijin : 464.860000, ascetic : 467.790600
ryunohige DPS : 407.704707, relic : 262.614129
war DPS : 465.253833
conqueror DPS : 454.075056 (+25 dps)
koga DPS : 485.378989
liberator DPS : 386.212992
ragnarok DPS : 402.204694
Note that AM3 is assumed for vere & ukkon & mythics, impetus too for mnks, and even so, spharai is very close.
exemple of top tier shijin build :
potestas
ocelomeh +1/gorget/brutal/jupiter/
toci's/mustela/thundersoul/epona/
atheling/artful+1/kehpri/thaumas
exemple of top tier TP build
potestas/
usu+1/rancor/brutal/moonshade att-reg
thaumas/tenryu1+/rajas/epona/
atheling/twilight/khepri/usu+1
(best gear is very dependent on mob VIT and AGI)
15 best TP gear on 110 AGI/VIT mobs - with accuracy gear required :
impetus up
563.063856,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
562.884289,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
562.054141,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,mars,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
558.632437,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,mars,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
556.577281,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
555.955428,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
554.948355,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
553.888096,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,twilight,abatteur,usukane,
553.489158,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,abatteur,usukane,
553.470825,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
552.951863,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,twilight,abatteur,usukane,
552.557626,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
552.338071,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,abatteur,usukane,
552.271801,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,usukane,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,abatteur,usukane,
552.134945,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
impetus down
544.908117,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
544.477188,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,mars,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
543.960102,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
542.064024,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
540.593066,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
540.490845,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,mars,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
539.989411,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
537.982588,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
537.856241,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,mars,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
537.717138,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,letalis,anguinus,tantra +2,usukane,
537.461026,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,twilight,abatteur,usukane,
537.452422,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,thaumas,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
537.356629,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,rancor,brutal,ghillie +1,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,black belt,tenryu +1,usukane,
536.406899,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,ghillie +1,usukane,melee +2,epona,rajas,letalis,twilight,abatteur,usukane,
536.188232,spharai 99 afterglow,mantis,usukane,ziel,brutal,moonshade acc/reg,thaumas,melee +2,epona,mars,letalis,black belt,abatteur,usukane,
15 best TP gear on 110 AGI/VIT mobs - with low evasion mobs :
impetus down
690.217477,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,khepri,thaumas,
688.723792,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,byakko,usukane,
688.327057,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,tantra +2,thaumas,
688.300141,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,tantra +2,thaumas,
687.542269,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,khepri,thaumas,
686.470736,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,tenryu +1,thaumas,
686.365279,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
686.184499,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,byakko,usukane,
686.066895,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,abatteur,thaumas,
685.577523,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,tantra +2,thaumas,
685.427341,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,khepri,thaumas,
685.295732,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,khepri,thaumas,
685.097341,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,usukane,thaumas,
684.967647,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,abatteur,thaumas,
684.451658,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,thaumas,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
impetus up
745.860652,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
745.858227,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
745.677616,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
744.940372,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,byakko,usukane,
744.091349,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,ghillie +1,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
742.785407,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,twilight,byakko,usukane,
742.768179,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
742.490089,spharai 99 afterglow,hagneia,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
741.979198,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
741.570490,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
741.567605,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
741.335669,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
740.702308,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,ghillie +1,tantra +2,nomkahpa,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
740.508455,spharai 99 afterglow,demonry,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,mustela,epona,rajas,atheling,black belt,byakko,usukane,
740.431942,spharai 99 afterglow,potestas bomblet,usukane,rancor,brutal,moonshade att/reg,tantra +2,tenryu +1,epona,mars,atheling,black belt,byakko,thaumas,
Those numbers come from a real time simulation in C, and can be used for all the weapons listed in the previous comparison. It goes through 40000 gear combinaisons and finds out the best.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7wbcilaHsTeWmNLSlJxWURIaDQ/edit?usp=sharing
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-02-25 05:02:20
Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with an afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.
it's always good to start your guide off with a joke
Quote: * In comparison to other high end weapons, I made a comparison on BG between the best mythics/relics/empy [KKK, glanzfaust, Vere, Spharai, Ukkon, Ryunohige, Relic DRG, liberator, ragnarok, mythic SAM, mythic WAR]
But two jokes in one post is pretty distasteful
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-02-25 06:40:36
Good to see pchan's coding style is as offensive as his posting if he wrote that sim code.
As a programmer I find the code interesting nonetheless, but given the game is 10 years old i'm gonna have to argue SE's code is probably done in fixed point math using optimized SSE2 (like how fractional haste has been shown to be in 1/1024ths) or they just went with single precision float to do all their combat code efficiently. Using doubles all over is kinda silly.
26 function parameters, really? Use a struct for some stuff man >.>
By duos 2013-02-25 11:34:00
Ok then I'll do spharai. I'm an experienced MNK, the only player with a relic afterglow. In other words, I'm the best.
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By Bismarck.Diablosword 2013-03-02 14:02:26
Need more completed analysis!
By Gimp 2013-03-02 14:19:34
***that's scary duos looks like an :0
had my laugh for today the afterglow just highlights the elite morons of our server whenever we do see them afk in upper j, too bad i don't get to see them talk much
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-02 14:25:22
anyone else find it beyond hillarious that he's the best, yet hasn't capped his guard?
And its without a doubt the most poorly executed and luckiest ADL I've ever seen.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-03-02 14:57:35
Guys, if you keep quoting pchan, blocking him becomes ineffective.
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By Phoenix.Audacity 2013-03-02 15:03:26
Only the best MNK's TP in brego helms.
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-03-29 11:21:48
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.
Let's make this thread useful again please.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-03-29 11:43:39
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.
Let's make this thread useful again please.
pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.
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By Shiva.Ziost 2013-04-03 14:37:35
back on the amano/koga/masa post, it seems like anytime amano is discussed, its amano w/yoichi. it almost comes across as youre saying when amano wins, it wins with the amano/yoichi combo. is the use of the bow what makes the amano so potent in these situations? like.....don't make amano unless youre gonna make yoichi....is that a correct statement?
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-04-03 14:50:31
No I don't think that's what was meant. While Amano / Yoichi is certainly potent, even if you take Yoichi out of the equation and compare GKs only, Amano should still be superior in roaming events and when accuracy is an issue. For zergs in high buff situations and and basically any time your feet are firmly planted, Masa and Koga would win.
Also, Amano is mentioned with Yoichi so much because Yoichi doesn't play well with Koga and Masa. That's why those two are so synonymous.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-03 14:54:44
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.
Let's make this thread useful again please.
pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.
Between getting mono and suddenly getting thrashed around by my advisor who suddenly realized that I'm supposed to be doing research or something silly like that, taking on extra hours at work because no one is competent, and being distracted by making Kenkonken/Adoulin ... that's the main reason I've neglected it - I don't want to deal with pchan's post.
No but seriously my life is chaotic, if anyone can help me proofread and format I'd be really appreciative.
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-04-03 18:25:46
Why haven't the Amano and Apoc write ups been posted on the front page? I don't see anyone doing a better job on those two, and I am assuming they were quite agreed on by the general community since not many have rationally argued against them.
Let's make this thread useful again please.
pchan posted in this thread so everyone stopped taking it serious.
Between getting mono and suddenly getting thrashed around by my advisor who suddenly realized that I'm supposed to be doing research or something silly like that, taking on extra hours at work because no one is competent, and being distracted by making Kenkonken/Adoulin ... that's the main reason I've neglected it - I don't want to deal with pchan's post.
No but seriously my life is chaotic, if anyone can help me proofread and format I'd be really appreciative.
No problem, RL > FFXI of course. Really hope someone helps you though, since this is a great and useful thread with some awesome posts. I wish I could but I suck at stuff like this.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-06 17:39:34
Lost in all the hullabaloo, we finally have an answer to this thread!
/quick, dirty
Dafuq Relic Shud I Maek?
Because every argument has already been made
Now with 30% less Comic Sans!
So, liek, you've burned your Beastmaster to 99 and you're ready to go fight over nightmare mobs in dreamlands Dynamis with the rest of your server. But, you don't know which relic to make? Fortunately, 50 other people made a thread before you and contrary to what you may believe, your situation is not unique.
Aegis
The creepiest relic of them all!
Stuff regarding Aegis goes here.
Amanomurakumo
Sword of the Gathering Clouds of Heaven
Amanomurakumo analysis goes here.
Annihilator
Soon to be banned by Obama
Annihilator analysis goes here.
Apocalypse
The End of the World
Apocalypse analysis goes here.
Bravura
The Virtuoso
Bravura analysis goes here.
Claustrum
The Waste of Currency
Claustrum analysis goes here.
Excalibur
The sword of King Arthur
Excalibur analysis goes here.
Gjallarhorn
The Yelling Horn
Gjallarhorn analysis goes here.
Gungnir
The Swaying One
Luvdisc analysis goes here.
Guttler
The Relic-Maker
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A GUTTLER by Scaevola
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A GUTTLER
Overview Guttler, like most relic weapons, is straight damage upgrade. It is BST's highest damage weapon out of realistic options (Aymur might be situationally better? Do we care? Not really!). However, since Guttler obviously represents a massive financial investment you could, at the very least, use on another relic for another job, there are some pretty broad existential questions about game priorities you need to ask yourself that we'll get to in a bit. For now, just keep in mind Guttler is your best damage option for BST.
(a.) Strengths and Weaknesses Guttler's straight damage. Like all one-hand relics, it gives a big attack boost, a choke effect (VIT down) that maybe helps you get a bit closer towards meeting its pretty-impressively-high weapon rank of 9 (at 95+), and even though Onslaught is unfortunately fairly bad even by relic WS standards (doubly unfortunate because the aftermath is actually pretty awesome as relic AMs go, but the 20 second duration for 100 TP is never going to get you to another WS on BST so you don't really get the opportunity to mix up Onslaught and Ruinator), Guttler lends itself well to spamming Ruinator, which is arguably the best WS in the game considered independently of weapon type.
(b.) Does this weapon fundamentally alter or create roles for the job? The downside (other than Ruinator eclipsing Onslaught) is that it is a weapon for BST, and while it's the best a BST can do, you're ultimately going to run into the scaling issues that give BST so much trouble on higher-end content. Guttler DOES NOT change the game for a BST. But again, you're a BST, so if you have the right attitude and are playing to your strengths you shouldn't necessarily care about that.
(c.) In what situations is the weapon used? You'll make good use of Guttler in any situation where you'll melee as BST.
(d.) How frequent do these situations arise? These situations arise quite a bit more often than people seem to think. Snarl is pretty great, and since you're likely subbing DNC or NIN for DW, in either case you have some tool to mitigate much of the AoE damage you could potentially suffer on a larger NM.
(e.) In what situations is the weapon trumped by another option and how frequently do these situations occur? In such situations, Guttler's going to come out on top every time. The most common competitors I see mentioned are DA or Fire magian axes, and Guttler is a clear upgrade from those (and has a HUGE delay advantage over the DA, I might add).
(f.) Is the weapon still functional when not fully upgraded (lv95) Since Onslaught's not very good, I personally don't think Guttler gains much from going past 95; 99, notably, does not gain a weapon rank. Obviously 99 is better, but not nearly as much as with relics whose WSes are actually "good".
(2.) Comparison to major competitors
(a.) What are the weapon's major competitors? Guttler doesn't really have any meaningful competition for BST specifically, unless we're counting mythics, and we're not because fuck you. Farsha is bad because Cloudsplitter is bad and Empyreans live or die by their WSes. The real competition is a relic for another job that would be more competitive in a group setting.
(b.) When is this weapon superior to its major competitors? ...which brings us to the central soul-searching question you need to ask yourself as a BST interested in Guttler: are the various EP-to-EM-related mulchfests I wail on as BST important enough to me personally to invest in a Guttler over something like Ragnarok or Annihilator that would help me in a large group? This is not a simple question of job loyalty, mind you; Gungnir is bad because DRG is bad, and DRG is bad because it's heavily outstripped by other jobs in everything it does. BST, OTOH, is the undisputed king of what IT does, and you would never question making, say, an Ukonvasara for a WAR that was your best option for the content to which you brought it. In fact, you could say it's even greater than that, because, say, a 10% damage increase in the solo situations that BST finds itself translates into much greater results than an equivalent output increase in a situation where you have 17 other people to fall back on.
I'm not necessarily saying you should make a Guttler. All I'm saying is that the answer to this, maybe more than any other relic, is one that only you yourself can really provide.
(3.) Dealbreakers and sealers
(a.) When is or isn't this the weapon for you? Guttler obviously might be for you if you love the shit out of the flexibility and independence BST provides. The master is not by any means a weak partner in the relationship between master and pet, and Ruinator is quite easy to build up to genuinely impressive levels. But it IS a substantial investment, and is not going to make your BST anything other than a BST.
On the upshot, you can use it to make another relic that much quicker! It pays for itself (if you have a year to blow in Dynamis)!
Are there any other considerations? Also, not for nothing, Guttler is a 10,000 shell relic and will thus in the current economy be substantially cheaper than other options.
Kikoku
Demon Wail
Kikoku analysis goes here.
Mandau
The Headhunter
Mandau Analysis provided by Byrth
(1.) Overview
Mandau gives access to Mercy Stroke. It is D55/175 Delay and has 13.33% Triple Damage proc rate on the first swing of each round that uses it. It also has a 10 Damage/tick en-poison.
Mercy Stroke is 3.0 fTP and 60% STR. Using it with Mandau will give you a Critical Hit Rate +5% aftermath (both hands) that lasts for 20~60 seconds at 100~300TP.
Benefits: This weapon substantially boosts Attack (which dagger jobs need) and gives access to a good SA/TA WS for THF. It can be main-handed in all situations, except perhaps when you are evasion tanking something so incredibly accurate that you need to use two AGI Thokchas. There is no time when another weapon is a better for damage.
Weaknesses: This weapon has no specific weaknesses and does not create a fundamentally unique role for the job. Also, Mandau is one of the few weapons that benefits majorly from the upgrade to 99.
(2.) Comparison to major competitors
Competitors: Twashtar (BRD and THF), Almace (RDM)
Mandau is superior to Twashtar almost all of the time at level 99, and level 95 Mandau is superior to level <90 Twashtar all the time. Twashtar's major advantage is its 20 DEX, which may change your dDEX crit rate if you aren't already capped. This is a non-issue if you offhand Twashtar, though, which is ideal.
Mandau is never superior to Almace for RDM.
(3.) Dealbreakers and sealers
You should not choose this weapon if your goal is to do epeen awesome damage and win all the parses against heavy DDs. Mandau is a very good weapon, but it does not make THF into a heavy DD. It makes good THF better than bad DDs.
You should choose this weapon if your goal is to improve your THF's damage in the situations where you use it already. Thief is primarily used for Treasure Hunter, and as a result it is used very frequently. The events where you use THF will be faster and smoother if you are using Mandau, and that should be your motivation for getting this weapon.
As far as other considerations, you need to take Mandau to 99 for it to really shine. The last +15% Mercy Stroke damage opens up new ways to use the WS.
When offhanding with 27% DA (/WAR) and 14% TA:
Mercy Stroke - 2 hits base, 1.4*(4 fTP + 0.1 Gorget + MultiAttack Rate*2) = 7.17 fTP - Gets about D+85 from 60% STR
(55+85+14)*7.17 = 1082.6
Exenterator - 5 hits base, 5 fTP + MultiAttack Rate*2 = 6.02 fTP - Gets about D+140 from 100% AGI
(55+140+14)*6.02 = 1258.2
You will likely cap fSTR in each case. Mercy Stroke has more STR (and thus Attack) than Exenterator, but Exenterator has an unverified 5% Attack boost associated with it so you can sort of call it a wash. Exenterator also will hit the round-cap if you TA twice, while Mercy Stroke will not. This is not corrected for.
So Exenterator will do <14% more damage unstacked, but you get an extra 5% crit rate for up to 60 seconds after Mercy Stroke so it might be worth using uncapped if you have high TP outside Abyssea. Note that this is just napkin math and some claim the difference is even smaller than this. Exenterator doesn't benefit from TP.
Mjöllnir
The Crusher
Mjöllnir analysis goes here.
Ragnarok
The Fate of the Divine
Ragnarok analysis goes here.
Spharai
The Spheres
Spharai analysis goes here.
Yoichinoyumi
The Fan-Splitter
Yoichinoyumi analysis goes here.[/div]
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