You Spoony Guide! - A Troubadour's Libretto

Thanks for the replies.
I got it to stage4 since my initial post and I agree with you, it's nice and useful. But for the most part it's not game changing, except in sortie where it seems to really shine.

Idk about that
This may be cognitive bias or something
Since my return to oddessy I feel like I reliably one shot mobs more consistently with it.

While maybe it was possible before.

maybe you just got 2 tuff

What's the absolute highest Macc in armor slots for Elegy vs V25 & pets now? Is it 5/5 AF+4 or a mix of AF/Relic/Emp?

Probably 4/5 AF+4 (empty+3 hands?) with Regal Earring?

How much is it actually over just 5/5 emp? I don't wanna spend 100k+ on 5-10Macc. 20 Macc more would justify it I guess.

You basically ask people to go to bgwiki, take a calculator and add macc on those pieces, subtract and give you an answer. Do it yourself lol. I can understand asking for custom sim info, you might not know how to edit code or something, but asking for something like that is kinda silly.

I was assuming someone has already taken the effort.

Just looked and the macc on AF+4 is huge on head/body/legs/feet with the wind skill included on legs and feet, guess I have no choice but to upgrade.

Can't see the macc+ values for set bonus anywhere on bg wiki anymore though.

I have forgotten the lore on how much Macc skill is worth on bard. 0.3 for singing and 0.7 for instrument? 1 for instrument?

My proposal:
389 Macc
222 CHR
41 string
40 singing
57 wind

Empy+3 (add the Second best Macc earring you have):
310 Macc
220 CHR
22 string
74 singing
46 wind

I think some AF+3 is probably better than the full Empy+3 set, though.

Set bonus information is at the bottom of the set page: https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Brioso_Attire_Set

With 100% BiS elegy gear can anyone land Elegy reliably on V25 and pets -without- Troubadour?

I see it hasn't been copied from here:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Reforged_Artifact_Armor_%2B3
to here:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Reforged_Artifact_Armor_%2B4

There's no hard info on how much macc singing or wind/string skill are worth.

Generally with master levels pushing base skill up higher, macc adds more than either skill, IMO.

Exception is horde lullaby 2 and radius increase which is based on string skill tiers.

Old and a bit cloudy information is that Singing skill converts pretty close to 1:1 to macc.
Wind skill converts 3:1 to macc
String skill provides no macc at all, but additional range on (some) songs. Pretty useless on everything else.

Again, don't rely too much on what I said, it's just a very very generic baseline.

If we treat CHR=1, Singing=1, and Wind =0.3 then it seems to be:

5/5 Emp +3 is
Macc 61+64+62+63+60=310
CHR 42+48+39+38+53=220
Singing Skill 24+22+28=74
Wind Skill 24+22=46
310+220+74+(46*0.3)=617.8

5/5 Brioso +4 is
Macc 71+74+58+66+56+60=385
CHR 43+45+41+35+50=214
Singing Skill 18+18=36
Wind Skill 20+15=35
385+214+36+(35*0.3)=645.5

4/5 AF+4 and Emp+3 hands is
Macc 71+74+62+66+56+60=389
CHR 43+45+39+35+50=212
Singing Skill 18+22=40
Wind Skill 22+20=35
389+212+40+(35*0.3)=651.5

+28 for 5/5 Brio+4, +34 for 4/5 keeping the hands. 85K points to make the 4 pieces but could be worth it.

Not sure you'd want to give up the Empy+3 losing duration to gain a small amount of macc.
Also keep in mind going 5/5 will provide no additional set bonus, if you also use Regal Earring (because that's considered part of the set so it would be like going 6/5 which produces no additional set bonus macc)

In some specific context, Empy+3 legs can also be beneficial, despite the slightly lower macc, because of the Song Cooldown thing.
Sort of depends how you created your midcast set, how much haste/FC you have, how important it is to gain a few more seconds off the cooldown.
I'd say most of the time it's not an important factor but sometimes it can be!

AF+4 head+feet, rest empy+3 is
Macc 71+56+63+63+63+30 (set bonus for 2 af pieces + regal earring) = 346
CHR 48+38+39+43+50 = 218
Sing 24+22+28 = 74
Wind 15+24+22 = 61
Total: 346+218+74+(61*0.3) = 656.3

and you have the duration bonus from empy body + AF feet.
Is this the winner?

Idk what the absolute best macc is, it might be this set, but personally I have inyanga pants in all my debuff sets. It's extremely unlikely that you will save a resist by adding macc pants, and the extra duration is nice.

Being honest, 99.99% of the debuffs are gonna land without even considering what your macc is. In the super rare situations where your effect is gonna resist, I doubt the extra macc from 1 piece will make a difference often.

I don't recall this being asked before, I'm curious if any brds out there use prime dagger at all. More specifically in Limbus.

Right now, I 2box geo+brd either solo or in a group, I have stage4 horn already so my next primes I want are dagger and axe, dagger has a lot of appeal as that character is thf/brd/dnc/rdm and for sortie is sounds really good option, with stage3 being enough for sortie I don't know if I should stage4 it before the axe for my bst.

In limbus 2boxing a geo I feel my atk is capped and switched to using indi str and with r20nyame and aria my savages seem to cap out around 34k. I'm wondering if Ruthless with prime pdl aftermath is able to go above that or if savage is my brds ceiling.

Curious if anyone has any full buffed ruthless numbers from limbus!

Saw your similar question on the prime sword, but since I don't have one i didn't respond there.

I think you should really consider SC properties a lot more in a limbus situation. Hitting 35k savages is dogwater compared to doing 30k ruthless plus a 40k fusion.

Even now with 2-3 characters, you should find a SC (or two) and do that instead of mindlessly spamming a WS with no skillchain.

Prime dagger will 100% outperform naegling spam for BRD. Not necessarily because of the WSD (though maybe also that), but absolutely decimate it when you factor in SCD. I often go BRD COR DNC to limbus and nearly everything dies in 3 WS. With the right JA, they die in 2.

Absolutely, I'm definitely not ignoring the sc possibility.

Sword by itself doesn't have the greatest sc options so without adding anything savage spam was my best option, or in my alliance runs with LS it's just tp burn there's rarely a chance to coordinate a sc.

Since you saw my blu post too, I made that first but then also had the thought about brd dagger, Looking at prime options specifically for their self sc ability.

On the solo end, I'm either looking at making my geo melee, but club and sword don't have the greatest synergy, hexa/realmrazoer to savage would be a 2 step light, looks to be best option OR blu has a shot at brd savage + blu expiacion for distortion once I complete my tizona.

But if you're saying ruthless does a solid 30k buffed in limbus with being able to 3step light. That definitely looks to be my best option to increase my efficiency. And allows me to continue to 2box the geo instead of coordinating sc between 2 characters.

I made up the 30k, honestly. I haven't done BRD melee on the character with the dagger in Limbus for a while. Even if it weren't 30k though, it will 100% without a doubt beat Savage spam.

You can easily do SC without prime too. Mordant Mordant evisceration rudra's is a SC i do all the time. I'm sure there are a bunch more. Anything should beat spamming WS with no SC.

Well if anyone has not made up numbers, I'm still interested in hearing them :)

I couldn't agree more!

But it's kinda hard when you're in a PUG (or even with friends...) and everybody keeps on engaging your target and spamming Savage Blade or whatever else ruining your awesome chance to two-shot or three-shot targets thanks to SC damage...

What I'm trying to say is: I strongly support Maletaru's point on SC damage, but it's not always something you can rely on, sadly.

I agree with what you're saying as well and considered that but...this guy's 3-boxing by himself so he should focus on making a SC with himself (and maybe magic bursting it too!).

If you're doing Limbus in a party of 6...***'s gonna die so fast it doesn't matter WTF you do.

I only 2box, little more limited in options.

I never stated I wanted to ws spam without sc, quite the opposite, I'm asking about prime damage because of how easy they are to 3step. If my brd stays naegling, sword has savage> burning blade > flat blade > savage, utilizing 2 ***DMG ws I might as well just do 4 savages.

I've even tried sch+geo doing oshala > helix and double burst, usually kills 130mobs unless they are heavily magic resistant like the one floor in apollyon. But that's exhausting to maintain and doesn't work on certain mobs id have to avoid or job change, so it's not practical.

You gave me a dagger 4step, but considering my only dagger pre-prime will be my non-aftergow'd carn, I don't expect much, I'll do a test run of it tho.

For kicks let's speculate, if ruthless did even 25k full buffed am3. And iirc the dt in limbus also affects sc DMG so, 25k + 25k + 20k fusion + 25k ws + 50k light would be 145k DMG combined.

To compare, I said my savage does ~35k, 4 savages would be 140k. So prime would reduce 1 ws and allow me to keep my 2box geo, which then could potentially burst if the mob still doesn't die. Thus improving my efficiency at soloing Limbus.

But, idk if ruthless would do 25k in Limbus, so I was asking anyone with experience if they had the answer. I am no where close to making even stage 3, I think my brd has 300k gally? I forget offhand. But my current next stage 3 is going to be dagger, and I'm deciding to take it to stage 4 or skip and move onto prime axe for BST.

Been doing some messing around with it in Apollyon but it's a bit hard to get realistic numbers because most of the mobs are resistant to or weak to piercing so it's a little wonky. I also messed up my buffs a bit.

I'd say 20~25k is a pretty reasonable expectation, with solid buffs, on a neutral target. Having constant SC with a good (decent) WS makes it much better.

Appreciate you going out to test, that looks promising!