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Overall Battle System Adjustments for the Future
 Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2013-01-12 01:36:43
Question: all the speculation reguarding /DRK assumes Hasso and LR(JA haste) stack and also it has no restriction to only 2-handers?
LR haste never had a 2h restriction to begin with, while hasso always has. And all JA haste stacks up until the cap, no reason they won't.
Ok maybe i'm reading it wrong then because LR+Desperate, since your getting the JAHaste through Desperate blows(while LR is active)?
Quote: Reduces delay for two-handed weapons (by 5% for each merit) when using Last Resort.
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By Siren.Kyte 2013-01-12 01:36:58
Quote: LR haste never had a 2h restriction to begin with, while hasso always has. And all JA haste stacks up until the cap, no reason they won't.
Really it could go either way.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 01:38:06
Question: all the speculation reguarding /DRK assumes Hasso and LR(JA haste) stack and also it has no restriction to only 2-handers?
LR haste never had a 2h restriction to begin with, while hasso always has. And all JA haste stacks up until the cap, no reason they won't.
ok maybe i'm reading it wrong then because LR+Desperate, since your getting the JAHaste through Desperate blows(while LR is active)?
Quote: Reduces delay for two-handed weapons (by 5% for each merit) when using Last Resort.
Hence the entire change, to raise the haste on LR (so it can be used as a sub), and lower DB's haste from merits.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2013-01-12 01:40:58
Quote: LR haste never had a 2h restriction to begin with, while hasso always has. And all JA haste stacks up until the cap, no reason they won't.
Really it could go either way.
Ok that's what I was thinking. It could go either way. They could carry over the 2H require of desperate blows along with the haste to LR.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 01:41:55
But it can't be interpreted "either way", since they said the LR haste would be "viable as a sub" and DB is a merit category for drk.... So no, it wouldn't have a 2h requirement for LR for sub.
Quetzalcoatl.Killza
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2013-01-12 02:06:03
But it can't be interpreted "either way", since they said the LR haste would be "viable as a sub" and DB is a merit category for drk.... So no, it wouldn't have a 2h requirement for LR for sub.
This is the person to look for when you need advice for SAM....
oh and let's not forget about
srsly?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 02:07:07
Quetzalcoatl.Killza said: »But it can't be interpreted "either way", since they said the LR haste would be "viable as a sub" and DB is a merit category for drk.... So no, it wouldn't have a 2h requirement for LR for sub.
This is the person to look for when you need advice for SAM....
oh and let's not forget about
srsly?
So me not being able to attain more NNI gears, due to not currently having an LS, means I can't know anything about the game? Seriously? READ THE DAMN OP.... Nor did I ever say I was an expert on sam. Please keep trolling though.
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-01-12 02:12:56
Many updates.
But hey, looks like my sch will get a boost. Due to embrava nerf, we lose haste from embrava, but with desperate blows +10% I can recap it to max haste.
And even wwhen no embrava, I still get 10% due to LR to spam shattersoul. I like it!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 02:14:40
Since it's a WHOLE 3 pages back, I'll just quote it for you...
Currently, the haste cap for equipment and magic is the same for all jobs, but haste from abilities is a separate category outside of this cap, and Desperate Blows is the ability with the highest value of haste.
However, simply reducing the value of Desperate Blows would only cause dark knight to become weaker, so we are considering giving a portion of the total haste effect granted from Desperate Blows to Last Resort, and giving the remaining amount back to Desperate Blows.
Current
Desperate Blows +25%
Post-adjustment
Desperate Blows +10% (*Value with 5 merit points)
Last Resort +15%
Meaning atm, LR has no haste on it's own. Post adjustment it will have +15% JA haste. LR isn't 2h weapon dependent, therefore, the haste bonus from LR post adjustment can apply to any main job (1h or 2), when drk is used a sub. So Killza.. kindly stfu. Thanks.
 Ramuh.Lorzy
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2013-01-12 02:16:16
i think what people have been trying to say is that just because last resort doesn't have a 2handed requirement now doesn't necessarily mean there won't be post-adjustment.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 02:17:53
i think what people have been trying to say is that just because last resort doesn't have a 2handed requirement now doesn't necessarily mean there won't be post-adjustment.
Why on earth would it? They didn't even mention that in the official notes. That's a rather far stretch for an assumption, considering it makes no sense.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-12 02:17:58
It's sort of counter-intuitive to think that they'd give LR a 2h requirement based on adjustments they announced in a post that also talked about 1h weapons being underpowered.
Quetzalcoatl.Killza
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2013-01-12 02:18:31
Since it's a WHOLE 3 pages back, I'll just quote it for you...
Currently, the haste cap for equipment and magic is the same for all jobs, but haste from abilities is a separate category outside of this cap, and Desperate Blows is the ability with the highest value of haste.
However, simply reducing the value of Desperate Blows would only cause dark knight to become weaker, so we are considering giving a portion of the total haste effect granted from Desperate Blows to Last Resort, and giving the remaining amount back to Desperate Blows.
Current
Desperate Blows +25%
Post-adjustment
Desperate Blows +10% (*Value with 5 merit points)
Last Resort +15%
Meaning atm, LR has no haste on it's own. Post adjustment it will have +15% JA haste. LR isn't 2h weapon dependent, therefore, the haste bonus from LR post adjustment can apply to any main job (1h or 2), when drk is used a sub. So Killza.. kindly stfu. Thanks.
What is this I don't even.... Did someone drop you on your head as a child? I was questioning your SAM knowledge not you ability to copy and past info from page 1.
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2013-01-12 02:18:56
i think what people have been trying to say is that just because last resort doesn't have a 2handed requirement now doesn't necessarily mean there won't be post-adjustment.
Why on earth would it? They didn't even mention that in the official notes. That's a rather far stretch for an assumption, considering it makes no sense. stating it as a possibility doesn't make it an assumption.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 02:19:15
And wtf, does my gear on sam, have anything to do with anything I've posted in this thread? Oh right...nothing at all. So keep on trollin'
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-12 02:20:25
i think what people have been trying to say is that just because last resort doesn't have a 2handed requirement now doesn't necessarily mean there won't be post-adjustment.
Why on earth would it? They didn't even mention that in the official notes. That's a rather far stretch for an assumption, considering it makes no sense. stating it as a possibility doesn't make it an assumption.
It's a possibility, but I doubt it.
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By Valefor.Rancor 2013-01-12 02:37:51
Its sad after so many years they are having to rebuild their game. Should have stuck with lvl75 cap like they planned.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-12 02:39:51
Its sad after so many years they are having to rebuild their game. Should have stuck with lvl75 cap like they planned.
MMOs are living content, genius.
By Enuyasha 2013-01-12 02:59:27
DEF adjustment is going to be epic when PLD comes back as the master tank race :|
I never thought about the bonuses of LR hste for other jobs...
DNC/DRK
SAM/DRK
PUP/DRK (Yes, im totally SRS BSNS!)
omgawd Q:
As far as merit WS go im happy if they make them as strong s 5/5 at maybe 2/5 so i can finally merit more than three without gimping the ***out of the weaponskill.
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By Cerberus.Wulfgarson 2013-01-12 02:59:50
everyone wouldve quit should they (SE) had chosen to maintain 75 as cap.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 03:01:24
DEF adjustment is going to be epic when PLD comes back as the master tank race :|
I never thought about the bonuses of LR hste for other jobs...
DNC/DRK
SAM/DRK
PUP/DRK (Yes, im totally SRS BSNS!)
omgawd Q:
As far as merit WS go im happy if they make them as strong s 5/5 at maybe 2/5 so i can finally merit more than three without gimping the ***out of the weaponskill.
Pup/drk is old biz :P Soul Eater >> SP > role reversal was win.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-12 03:01:57
but pup really needs that attack bonus from /war i'd think anyways. Zerk is 10% more att than LR.
Ragnarok.Afania
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-01-12 03:06:32
How many year this game been out?, and they are still adjusting jobs, and package it on the next patch as new content?. oh *** hell thank god I have stop paying them because my old CC info expired and too lazy to put in the new info :).
There's nothing "wrong" with old game mechanics, just that adjust jobs makes the MMO more interesting when more SJ/gear set/playstyle option opens.
I mean, who'd want to play with with same popular job/SJ/play style for 10 years 15 years? It's more fun if most optimal setup/job/SJ/play style changes every once a while.
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By Asura.Izilder 2013-01-12 03:17:48
So how many more WSs will we be able to merit - any ideas @@ i could really use 3 more at max ;;
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By Ragnarok.Zirael 2013-01-12 03:21:03
None. Read Matsui's post.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-12 03:22:29
Losing 20% (~23.5%) WSC on weaponskills for secondary jobs won't be the end of the world in a majority of cases, so up to 4 or so more if you drop 1 5/5 WS. I know I'll be dropping Requiescat to 1/5 for sure.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-12 04:48:00
Mfw "they're still making adjustments this sucks!" would you rather they don't fix anything? How is that a bad thing?
Some people have very weird logic.
By Enuyasha 2013-01-12 04:49:22
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Losing 20% (~23.5%) WSC on weaponskills for secondary jobs won't be the end of the world in a majority of cases, so up to 4 or so more if you drop 1 5/5 WS. I know I'll be dropping Requiescat to 1/5 for sure. If it doesnt totally gimp the damage i may drop Requiescat to 1/5 also :| we shall see. hell, even Exenterator if its good at 1/5 when this patches.
 Asura.Myrrh
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-01-12 04:50:45
Instead of getting the full "current" bonus of a new WS by putting in 5 merit points, you'll get the current "full" bonus of the WS with only 1 merit point. So you can merit all 15.
Most people are still going to go 5/5 on their favorites tho.
Let's end the Shoha madness already!
By Enuyasha 2013-01-12 04:54:59
Instead of getting the full "current" bonus of a new WS by putting in 5 merit points, you'll get the current "full" bonus of the WS with only 1 merit point. So you can merit all 15.
Most people are still going to go 5/5 on their favorites tho.
Let's end the Shoha madness already! if thats true 5/5 weaponskills will only become more awesomebroke after this patch though.
| 01-11-2013 03:58 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team |  |
| | Overall Battle System Adjustments for the Future
Hello.
Thank you for the vast amount of feedback regarding battle.
We’ve received a variety of different adjustment suggestions and amongst them a suggestion for enfeebling. However, instead of thinking about this in terms of individual points, I’ve been reading over everything from the viewpoint of battle overall.
Towards the end of last year I made a series of posts about the plans we have; however, this raised the issue of requests for more specific, concrete details, which in turn made it difficult for all of you to hold discussions. With that said, from an overall battle system perspective, I would like to share a couple of ideas the development team is currently thinking about.
Please note that all of these ideas have not been finalized. Also, please know that the below is not the entirety of the overall battle adjustments.
We’d appreciate it greatly if you took the content listed here to not represent the cure-all solution, and see it more as things we will be doing while working to solve the issues.
Balance between two-handed and single-handed weapons
This is a topic that has been discussed in several threads, particularly one about making adjustments to single-handed weapons, and we would like to perform adjustments.
As has been mentioned, food and other choices are quite limited due to the fact that status modifiers are far greater for two-handed weapons and there is a higher need for accuracy when using single-handed weapons.
For example, we are currently looking into the possibility of adding some form of merit that would enhance the modifiers for the single-handed weapon main weapon slot.
Regarding Dark Knight
This is a topic that has been discussed in several threads, particularly one about dark knight being too powerful. As was commented during VanaFest, we feel dark knight is becoming powerful, and at the same time decided to put off the adjustments we had looked into at that time. I believe there are many who remember this.
We are currently looking to adjust Desperate Blows and Last Resort.
Currently, the haste cap for equipment and magic is the same for all jobs, but haste from abilities is a separate category outside of this cap, and Desperate Blows is the ability with the highest value of haste.
However, simply reducing the value of Desperate Blows would only cause dark knight to become weaker, so we are considering giving a portion of the total haste effect granted from Desperate Blows to Last Resort, and giving the remaining amount back to Desperate Blows.
Current
Post-adjustment - Desperate Blows +10% (*Value with 5 merit points)
- Last Resort +15%
Simply put, this adjustment will allow you to gain this effect in the case you use dark knight as your support job.
While currently, it might be difficult to imagine the situations where a front-line job would select dark knight for their support job, we would like to look into this based on this possibility.
Regarding Defense
This is a topic that we have received feedback on asking to increase the boons of defense. Due to the attack/defense ratio, the meaning behind adding defense past a certain value starts to become pointless, and we would like to make it have meaning.
As a merit, for example, the more you increase your defense, the lower the damage taken will be and the boons for Defender would become large.
On the other hand, while under the effects of abilities that decrease defense such as Berserk or Last Resort, the damage you take would become higher than what it is currently.
Merit Point Weapon Skills
This is a topic we have seen in threads asking to increase the cap on the merit point weapon skill category.
Instead of adjusting the cap value, we are currently looking into adjusting the modifier values so that these weapon skills can be used with a single merit point.
We are envisioning to make it so 1 merit point will yield a 65% status modifier, and each point afterwards will grant an addition 5% for a maximum of 85% (no changes to the max value).
Elemental Magic
We have received a variety of feedback on elemental magic.
The first thing I’m thinking of doing is making adjustments to the damage calculations.
Here’s my current image of how elemental magic is going to work:
The damage output on earth element spells will initially be lower compared to the rest of the elements, but have the best cost performance overall. Also, INT will have an even larger impact on the damage output. As a result, players will basically try to raise their INT and magic attack to get closer to the damage output done by lightning element spells.
Breakdown by element - MP Efficiency: Earth > Water > Wind > Fire > Ice > Lightning
- INT Offset: Earth > Water > Wind > Fire > Ice > Lightning
- Initial Damage Output: Lightning > Ice > Fire > Wind > Water > Earth
- Maximum Damage Output: Lightning > Ice > Fire > Wind > Water > Earth
Breakdown by spell tier - MP Efficiency: I > II > III > IV > V
- INT Offset: V > IV > III > II > I
- Initial Damage Output: V > IV > III > II > I
- Maximum Damage Output: V > IV > III > II > I
The charts below explain my idea in detail.
* The magic attack does not include any offsets.
* “INT+0” and “INT+100” represents the INT difference between the caster and the target.
| Tier I |
INT+0 |
INT+100 |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
10 |
10 |
42 |
160 |
| Water |
16 |
25 |
66 |
165 |
| Wind |
25 |
40 |
92 |
170 |
| Fire |
35 |
55 |
108 |
175 |
| Ice |
46 |
70 |
126 |
180 |
| Lightning |
60 |
85 |
149 |
185 |
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| Tier II |
INT+0 |
INT+100 |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
78 |
100 |
175 |
350 |
| Water |
95 |
120 |
195 |
355 |
| Wind |
113 |
140 |
213 |
360 |
| Fire |
133 |
160 |
233 |
365 |
| Ice |
155 |
180 |
255 |
370 |
| Lightning |
178 |
200 |
278 |
375 |
|
| Tier III |
INT+0 |
INT+100 |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
210 |
200 |
360 |
550 |
| Water |
236 |
230 |
386 |
560 |
| Wind |
265 |
260 |
415 |
570 |
| Fire |
295 |
290 |
445 |
580 |
| Ice |
320 |
320 |
470 |
590 |
| Lightning |
345 |
350 |
495 |
600 |
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| Tier IV |
INT+0 |
INT+100 |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
381 |
400 |
581 |
850 |
| Water |
410 |
440 |
610 |
865 |
| Wind |
440 |
480 |
640 |
880 |
| Fire |
472 |
520 |
672 |
895 |
| Ice |
506 |
560 |
706 |
910 |
| Lightning |
541 |
600 |
741 |
925 |
|
| Tier V |
INT+0 |
INT+100 |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
626 |
650 |
855 |
1200 |
| Water |
680 |
700 |
909 |
1220 |
| Wind |
734 |
750 |
967 |
1240 |
| Fire |
785 |
800 |
1014 |
1260 |
| Ice |
829 |
850 |
1058 |
1280 |
| Lightning |
874 |
900 |
1103 |
1300 |
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As far as casting time and recast time goes, here’s my current idea:
- Tier I~V spells will all have same casting time / recast time.
For example, Tier I spells will have a casting time of 0.5 seconds and recast time of 2 seconds. Therefore, both Thunder I and Stone I will have the casting time of 0.5 seconds and recast time of 2 seconds.
The charts below explain my idea in detail.
| Tier I |
MP Cost |
Casting Time |
Recast Time |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
9 |
4 |
1.5 |
0.5 |
6.5 |
2 |
| Water |
13 |
10 |
1.75 |
0.5 |
7.75 |
2 |
| Wind |
18 |
16 |
2 |
0.5 |
9 |
2 |
| Fire |
24 |
22 |
2.25 |
0.5 |
10.25 |
2 |
| Ice |
30 |
28 |
2.5 |
0.5 |
11.5 |
2 |
| Lightning |
37 |
34 |
3 |
0.5 |
13 |
2 |
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| Tier II |
MP Cost |
Casting Time |
Recast Time |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
43 |
36 |
3.25 |
1.5 |
14.5 |
6 |
| Water |
51 |
43 |
3.5 |
1.5 |
15.75 |
6 |
| Wind |
59 |
51 |
3.75 |
1.5 |
17 |
6 |
| Fire |
68 |
60 |
4.25 |
1.5 |
18.5 |
6 |
| Ice |
77 |
68 |
4.5 |
1.5 |
19.75 |
6 |
| Lightning |
86 |
77 |
4.75 |
1.5 |
21 |
6 |
|
| Tier III |
MP Cost |
Casting Time |
Recast Time |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
92 |
64 |
5.25 |
3 |
22.5 |
15 |
| Water |
98 |
75 |
5.5 |
3 |
24 |
15 |
| Wind |
106 |
88 |
5.75 |
3 |
25.25 |
15 |
| Fire |
113 |
101 |
6 |
3 |
26.5 |
15 |
| Ice |
120 |
115 |
6.25 |
3 |
27.75 |
15 |
| Lightning |
128 |
129 |
6.75 |
3 |
29.25 |
15 |
|
| Tier IV |
MP Cost |
Casting Time |
Recast Time |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
138 |
112 |
7 |
6 |
30.75 |
30 |
| Water |
144 |
129 |
7.25 |
6 |
32 |
30 |
| Wind |
150 |
148 |
7.5 |
6 |
33.25 |
30 |
| Fire |
157 |
169 |
8 |
6 |
34.75 |
30 |
| Ice |
164 |
190 |
8.25 |
6 |
36 |
30 |
| Lightning |
171 |
213 |
8.5 |
6 |
37.25 |
30 |
|
| Tier V |
MP Cost |
Casting Time |
Recast Time |
| Before |
After |
Before |
After |
Before |
After |
| Earth |
222 |
156 |
8.75 |
10 |
39 |
45 |
| Water |
239 |
182 |
9.25 |
10 |
40.25 |
45 |
| Wind |
255 |
210 |
9.5 |
10 |
41.5 |
45 |
| Fire |
270 |
240 |
9.75 |
10 |
42.75 |
45 |
| Ice |
282 |
272 |
10 |
10 |
44 |
45 |
| Lightning |
294 |
306 |
10.25 |
10 |
45.5 |
45 |
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Please note that we will be making additional adjustments on elemental magic using this change as the foundation.
Regarding Content
To start off, we are looking into adjustments for new Nyzul, Legion, Odin's Chamber II, Voidwatch (up to Provenance Watcher), Salvage, and in the event there is further necessity, new Salvage as well.
Below is what we are looking into for adjustments.
New Nyzul - Adjustments to the warp range of floors
Legion - Adjustments to monster levels
- Adjustments to attack power and defense
Odin's Chamber II - Adjustments to monster levels
Voidwatch - Expand the usage range of the void clusters to Provenance (Provenance Watcher)
Salvage - Re-examine the drop rate of level 35 equipment
- Make a change so that monsters other than the NMs that spawn from ramparts in Bhaflau Remnants drop the same equipment
Walk of Echoes - Adjustments to monster levels
- Remove EX status from each type of coin
- Add sacks that contain multiple Trick Dice and Liminal Residue
Past this, we will continue to make adjustments as necessary, and we will be making it so strategy and play style variations can be developed instead of having to win with a huge amount of fire power in a short amount of time.
While I am repeating myself, the above are by no means finalized. There are many other topics we are looking into at the moment (enmity, TP given to enemies, etc.), so I would appreciate it if you could read over all of this on the basis that there is a possibility that the implementation order and adjustment method changes.
Thank you very much. | |
| 01-16-2013 08:09 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator |  |
| | Hello!
Thanks for your feedback.
We've taken a look at the feedback we've received about the possible adjustments and we'd like to address a few of the questions that have been raised.
Even though the proposal mentions that the adjustment is specifically for DRK, assuming the Haste from Last Resort will apply to one-handed weapons, I think the combination of the one-handed weapon correction you mention in the post plus strengthening Last Resort will be enoug for one-handed weapons to catch up with two-handed weapons. |
Hold on a minute...because of Dual Wield I have close to 80% delay reduction... does this mean I can cut some of the Dual Wield for one-handed weapons? |
The Haste effect planned to be granted to Last Resort will, along with that of Desperate Blows, only be applicable to two-handed weapons. The overlap of the effects would be too significant if the delay reduction applied to one-handed weapons (because of Dual Wield) or to hand-to-hand weapons (because of Martial Arts).
I'm afraid that adjustments to hand-to-hand weapons are going to get lost in the mix between one-handed and two-handed adjustments. |
In the adjustments regarding balancing one-handed and two-handed melee weapons, hand-to-hand weapons will also be included and considered along with one-handed weapons.
However, since the performance of one-handed and hand-to-hand weapons differ significantly, they won't be treated uniformly (for example, the adjustment of "increasing the correction value of the one-handed weapon in the main weapon slot" which was talked about previously will be significantly different for hand-to-hand weapons).
Considering the unique circumstances around hand-to-hand, we will continue to make the adjustments separately.
Regarding elemental magic, would this also hold true for magic casted by automatons? |
The elemental magic adjustment does also apply to magic used by the automaton. [[edited:]] While stats can be raised on the automaton, it's easy to Overload while doing so, and we will take this into account when we look at the balance of the adjustment.
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| 01-18-2013 10:39 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator | |
| | Defense (Attack/Defense Ratio)
Regarding the contents of the post above [[Matsui's original post]], we are considering adjustments to the attack/defense ratio as follows.
| At very low defense, damage taken does not increase.
At present, there is an upper limit on the offense/defense ratio.
Depending on the opponent's attack value, if the player's defense value is 50% or higher, the damage reduction will increase. If the player's defense value is less than 50%, the damage reduction will be the same as if it was 50%.
Because of this, even though combining Last Resort and Berserk greatly reduces defense, for example, the damage reduction does not fall as significantly. |
| ----New Proposal
The maximum reduction will be calculated from the attack/defense ratio, and the upper limit of the calculated ratio will be increased such that when defense is very low, damage taken will continue to increase. |
| When defense is raised, damage taken is not reduced
This is mainly against higher level enemies and occurs because of something called level difference correction. The attack/defense ratio is calculated and impacted by each one level difference, reducing the calculated defensive power by some extent. |
| ----New Proposals
For new monsters created, starting with Seekers of Adoulin, create them such that the level difference correction will not apply. We would compensate for this by adjusting monsters' attack values, defense values, and stats.
Eliminate level difference correction. By eliminating the level difference correction, you will be able to more significantly reduce damage taken by increasing defense as expected.
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The text above was what I was able to confirm directly with the person in charge of the team discussion. The information included has not been finalized.
Since this post is about content in development, the information is not confirmed and information included may change. It is possible that there is a lack of information or clarity, or errors included, and, if so, the content will be edited at a later date.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
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| 01-18-2013 10:51 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator | |
| | Content Adjustments
Regarding the contents of the post above [[Matsui's original post]], we are considering adjustments as follows.
New Nyzul
The reasoning behind using Embrava is to greatly increase the speed of defeating enemies. Rather than adjusting the random warp pattern any further, we have decided to modify the strength of enemies.
Defense Adjustment
For enemies with certain weaknesses, allow attacks against those weaknesses to do further increased damage.
Level Adjustment (further adjustments may be needed)
- Floors 1~20: Reduce enemy levels by 10
- Floors 21~40: Reduce enemy levels by 7
- Floors 41~60: Reduce enemy levels by 4
- Floors 61~80: Reduce enemy levels by 2
- Floors 80~100: No change
Legion
Adjustment of HP, defense, and attack strength.
As mentioned previously, we are considering eliminating the level difference correction values for the attack/defense ratio. If we move in this direction, adjusting the level of the monsters at the same time will make the monsters that appear too weak, so we would not adjust their levels. We are still considering HP adjustments along with the attack/defense adjustments.
Odin's Chamber II
Adjustment of HP, defense, and attack strength.
Similarly to Legion, if we adjust the attack/defense ratio by eliminating level correction and level at the same time, the monsters would become too weak, so we would not adjust their levels. We are still considering HP adjustments along with the attack/defense adjustments.
The text above was what I was able to confirm directly with the person in charge of the team discussion. The information included has not been finalized.
Since this post is about content in development, the information is not confirmed and information included may change. It is possible that there is a lack of information or clarity, or errors included, and, if so, the content will be edited at a later date.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
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Long post, just going to link to it.
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